posted June 10, 2012 03:40 AM            

lunatic, hang in there! Definitely Saturn here, again. It will eventually pass, the feeling of isolation will fade away with time and you'll feel more comfortable. I understand about feeling like you don't belong though, I get that feeling a lot too. Maybe our expectations are too high, as you said. But either way, don't despair, guys!

posted June 10, 2012 01:03 PM            

And now I'm just mad at myself, because it isn't the first time this kind of thing happened which leads me to thinking that I'm the problem, not made for group situations & they would have had more fun without me anyway. :-S Darn it.

posted June 10, 2012 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Saraintheski:
I am probably one of the most plutonian people on here .. I cannot stand myself, I feel like I know to much and too little about life & that I am way too sentimental that the past always bothers me , I only feel safe and sane if I am with someone who makes me feel strong I also feel like I am not a good friend , I have great empathy and understanding but I will cut people out of my life especially if i'm in love and I feel that these attachments are getting in the way of the more important relationship it's depressing and therefore I am pretty isolated because I chose to be & also because I can see through people and I can't bare to get close to anyone especially after a terrible but beautiful relationship I had with a man who was a monster .I'm currently pmsing and am about to go on lexapro , I go through extreme mood swings that i'm aware of and for the most part lately I have been reading a lot , while reaching out on the internet with old friends. Right now I'm going back to school and looking for a job as I see it's the only way too survive since i'm alone now and I have seen way too much to get close as as I was with one person

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Wow! So many youngens! You're 19! We all think the world is falling apart at 19, and we'll never love again, and life is over, and so on and so on and so on. Especially if we're Plutonian. It's perfectly natural. One of our 'rites of passage'.

I'd say you're definitely Plutonian, but you don't have THE most Plutonian chart I've EVER seen. Give yourself some time to develop. It's not all down from here. I promise. <3

Good luck with school; my advice is DON'T start Lexapro. Bad experiences there. Although, it DOES seem to be what they prescribe when you're living with a clinical psychopath who's 'round the clock abusive, making you feel trapped until you forget yourself, who you REALLY are, and what you're here for. And yet, it doesn't help with that.

That's another nasty 'side effect' of being Plutonian. Hard, star-crossed relationships, and at least one with a monster. (But I avoided the serial killer, so I still get props - right? At least a cookie.)

-A.

posted June 10, 2012 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by lunatic:
I feel very plutonian. I have sun in libra 8th house,strongly conjunct mercury and pluto in scorpio 8th house and saturn in scorpio 9th house. Also my pluto sextile exactly my moon and semisextile my venus.

I feel alone and isolated probably because transit saturn conjunct my sun right now in 8th house. But in general i find my biggest prolem to be that I don't belong anywhere, I don't fit in , I am alone and I prefer my own world. I need desperately to find my truth, the home that I belong in real life, where I can express myself. Belonging. I live in my head right now. Isolated. My life is passing by somehow and it's sad because I had nice experiences lately with a group of people. But they passed and they didn't touched. It's like I didn't really participated, I didn't really lived with them.
Anyway I find people to like me , they want to be with me and I have friends but not true connection, I don't feel them close and I'm not satisfied. I always want to go deep and find the truth, whatever that means. I just can't relax. I think no one gets me and I don't really feel them so I'm isolated .Maybe it's all in my head and I have the wrong expectations,maybe you just can't emerge your personality with someone's else. I only had one best friend that I felt very close with and one woman that I feel so much but I can't have her. So... let's hope life will give me my satisfaction. I feel so much better letting this out. Thanks.

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Saturn over the Sun's rough, huh? But it forces us to confront SO many things that we've neglected. And for you, it going through your 8H, you won't be the same after this transit. This is a serious period of transformation for you. Don't be scared. Learn about the dark goddess asteroids, if you have a chance. Look up where Hades is in your chart. Embrace it!

May I ask how old you are? It REALLY does seem to me that ALL young Plutonians feel this way.

Really. Sorry to present exhibit A here again, but ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMGsxG73wQ

posted June 10, 2012 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Indigo, your posts are a pleasure to read!

I hope I'll be able to think the same way as you do, and care less about what *other* people think of me. I'm actually not that bad (SN on ASC), but still self-conscious (Virgo Moon, anyone?). But really you make some very good points. That's why I love interacting with older people, you guys can always give a greater perspective on things and dedramatize the situation. I really need that because I tend to get lost in my own mind and (sometimes quite narrow) vision of things.

So, again, thanks a lot for writing these replies, oh and I always enjoy your other replies in other threads as well. Yep, I'm totally being generous today (can't hide a Venus/Jupiter conjunction forever, ya know?). Tee hee.

My curiosity is now triggered, I can't wait to watch that movie! Should be interesting.

Okay Saturn will soon cross my Venus/Jupiter AGAIN for the last time just before leaving Libra so I guess it's time for me to reassess my relationships and really think about what I want from them. Gonna be fun! But I know it's for the good.

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I'm glad that I'm able to help you, and in an infotaining way. (Yay! Three cheers for being a writer.) It DOES help. Honestly, I spent my teen years on the Conjunction (then Festival) astrological mailing list, long before Linda Land came into being. I'd say most everyone there (on top of being published) are 20+ years my senior. I once found another astrologer who was only a couple of years older than me. It was incredible! (Yes. That rare.) So, I learnt a lot from their sagacious ways. I feel it most definitely helped me to develop much better perspective in general. The depth of understanding so much undercurrent ALL of the time is overwhelming until it becomes one tool among many. It's why so many of us become deeply depressed, feel very isolated, hide our true natures, and don't re-emerge a more balanced, evolved version of ourselves until we've survived that first Saturn Return.

You REALLY have the right attitude, though. Even though I waffled (oh, Libra) between thinking I knew it all and listening to the wisdom of my elders, the older I got, ironically, the more attentive I became. It should've been the other way around.

It's not all in our heads, though. Through no fault of our own, we chose this path of transformation and reinvention. It's like we're earning our Pluto badge. This an essential period in our soul's evolution to understand these things. These lessons. And then to go on and teach others. Similar but a hell of a lot bumpier, than a Neptunian experience - and much darker than the Uranian.

So we DO experience more death around us, more violence, more destruction and harm. But we also get to lift that rock and see what's underneath. It just stands to reason we'll keep doing this, until we realise which rocks are fine the way they are, or that it's what's visible of them that needs to be counted just as much as what lies on their underside.

That means our paths also lead us directly into the occult - whether we're aware of it or even like it or not. It's part of our lesson here. Now we're ready to come face to face with the undercurrents around us; things others don't realise, understand, or believe exist. We have an insight into that other-side. That darker world. Think Hekate, and those who help ferry souls across to the otherside, where they can continue their journey. A lot of us become those adept at helping those who've gotten stuck in limbo here - but not for a very long time. Not until we've figured out how to BECOME that kind of person.

So, being Plutonian is both: the journey AND the destination. My suggestion is to find your true beliefs, and then never disregard them. Allow those who are meant to walk with you on your path to come into your life, and appreciate their presence while they're there. Don't be scared or nervous if they aren't always; that's just another part of the whole deal. There will always be those that are here for the long-haul, too. And they're the ones who know you - and love you - completely.

Takes a long time to find them, though. That's why it's so important to develop ourselves for the first 20+ years of our lives.

I'm Virgo rising with a 12H Venus, by the way. I understand the Virgo part of the equation well. But THAT's a whole other kettle of fish - which can too become a strength, with dedication and practise.

posted June 10, 2012 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
saraintheski, welcome back! Wow it's been a looong time! I'm sorry to hear you're going through hard times. I think Saturn is being hard on you, it's near your Venus and Jupiter, I have that too. So sorry about your relationship that went wrong, also.

lunatic, hang in there! Definitely Saturn here, again. It will eventually pass, the feeling of isolation will fade away with time and you'll feel more comfortable. I understand about feeling like you don't belong though, I get that feeling a lot too. Maybe our expectations are too high, as you said. But either way, don't despair, guys!

Keep strong, everyone, you're not alone.

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posted June 10, 2012 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Saturn over the Sun's rough, huh? But it forces us to confront SO many things that we've neglected. And for you, it going through your 8H, you won't be the same after this transit. This is a serious period of transformation for you. Don't be scared. Learn about the dark goddess asteroids, if you have a chance. Look up where Hades is in your chart. Embrace it!

May I ask how old you are? It REALLY does seem to me that ALL young Plutonians feel this way.

Really. Sorry to present exhibit A here again, but ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMGsxG73wQ

-A.

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Wow,I love Winona!Haha

posted June 10, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow! So many youngens! You're 19! We all think the world is falling apart at 19, and we'll never love again, and life is over, and so on and so on and so on. Especially if we're Plutonian. It's perfectly natural. One of our 'rites of passage'.

I'd say you're definitely Plutonian, but you don't have THE most Plutonian chart I've EVER seen. Give yourself some time to develop. It's not all down from here. I promise. <3

Good luck with school; my advice is DON'T start Lexapro. Bad experiences there. Although, it DOES seem to be what they prescribe when you're living with a clinical psychopath who's 'round the clock abusive, making you feel trapped until you forget yourself, who you REALLY are, and what you're here for. And yet, it doesn't help with that.

That's another nasty 'side effect' of being Plutonian. Hard, star-crossed relationships, and at least one with a monster. (But I avoided the serial killer, so I still get props - right? At least a cookie.)

-A.

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posted June 10, 2012 10:47 PM            

With time and conscious effort all plutonians / scorpios learn how to handle the energy. It took me so long ..

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Yup I am THAT one.

posted June 12, 2012 11:28 AM            

to answer a question asked earlier, i am in my early 20s.

i agree that pluto energy is not entirely a curse. it's just more difficult to integrate into your life effectively. i find that i tend to turn on myself or the loneliness really gets to me if i don't have an outlet to channel myself into.

and what i mean by loneliness is that i feel a void in trying to emotionally connect with people. i have no problems in attracting people into my life, it is problems with the quality sort of speak.