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CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 09:10 PM
  
What would make someone a pity magnet? Someone, whether or not they really got many issues/problems always gets pity from people and attention, "aw poor you"There is someone who....omg...can't even comprehend how it pretty much gets her through life...no lie. I have my theories looking at her chart
But just wanted to see what you would say.
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Lonake
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posted July 02, 2012 09:19 PM
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CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 09:29 PM
Its funny, she has her Venus in Pisces which is the first thing I noticed and I have Neptune in my first house.
Wouldn't you think (not that want it just comparing) since mine is more outward....I would get more?? O_oShe also has Moon in 7th trine Jup in 11th, which I see has many people and connections helping her emotionally, which can be looked at as pity. Also her sun square Jupiter.....needless to say....shes thinks much too much of herself and dives head first into all this attention My guess is that those Jupiter aspects gives her attention. I was also thinking about may cause her Chiron is in first? IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted July 02, 2012 09:33 PM
As someone with triple water I've read that strong water/neptune placements can cause that.But I personally Hate being pitied, not to over exaggerate but it feels digusting DXX
If you need to find love and attention by telling people your problems than you've hit a very low point. I feel like people who do that don't love themselves. However, it feels good to know that you have emotional support and someone has your back, but not to feel sorry for you. Everyone has to realize that no one has a perfect life. but I think this can ulimately happen to anyone. ------------------
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Lonake
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posted July 02, 2012 09:37 PM
Ahh Venus Pisces, those girls can seem helpless/vulnerable, in need of protection. Yes Moon trine Jup, can signal the spoiled child, easily garners attn from others. You're on the money with Sun sq Jup.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 02, 2012 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
Wouldn't you think (not that want it just comparing) since mine is more outward....I would get more?? O_o
I'd have to see both the charts to compare. Could be other factors like saturn/pluto intervening, house rulers at play, other aspects, more independent signs, different hemisphere emphasis.IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
As someone with triple water I've read that strong water/neptune placements can cause that.But I personally Hate being pitied, not to over exaggerate but it feels digusting DXX
If you need to find love and attention by telling people your problems than you've hit a very low point. I feel like people who do that don't love themselves. However, it feels good to know that you have emotional support and someone has your back, but not to feel sorry for you. Everyone has to realize that no one has a perfect life. but I think this can ulimately happen to anyone.
She claims that....not saying this is you too, I mean shes got head issues lol
But shes says she hates it but is one of those girls on FB who whines about everything and acts like her life is so hard psh! And complains instantly when you see her or talk to her. She sickens me >_<IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
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posted July 02, 2012 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
As someone with triple water I've read that strong water/neptune placements can cause that.But I personally Hate being pitied  Not to over exaggerate but it feels digusting DXX
If you need to find love and attention by telling people your problems than you've hit a very low point. I feel like people who do that don't love themselves. Everyone has to realize that no one has a perfect life.
I agree with everything you said.
I know a girl like this, I am not sure how strong Neptune is in her chart but she has a Virgo sun and either has a Cancer moon or a Leo moon...both placements are said to kinda go overboard with the victim mentality and attention-needing if poorly aspected (and supported by other things/situations etc etc). I think she has Cancer moon because she has a hard time letting go of bad people and situations. She would always, always complain about a certain guy in her life when we would always tell her to stop talking to him. I think she just liked the attention, because she never ever listened to the advice. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
[b]Wouldn't you think (not that want it just comparing) since mine is more outward....I would get more?? O_o
I'd have to see both the charts to compare. Could be other factors like saturn/pluto intervening, house rulers at play, other aspects, more independent signs, different hemisphere emphasis.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah I've been told I come off like "I don't give a crap and gonna do my own thing and don't wanna deal with anyone" kind of thing. Also my Neptune is in Cap and so is my Venus. I do have much more independent factors, probably why.
I was hoping this excessive attention and pity would end for her, but now looking at her chart grrr. Could this last her whole life?
UGH!! If they only knew what shes really like
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CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 09:57 PM
Here her chart if anyone was interested or has anything to say.
She gets attention for EVERYTHING....no matter how crazy she sounds, how bad a picture she uploads(on FB its always so pretty to everyone O_o) or egomanical she is when she talks or her how selfish her actions are.... pity and attention.
*shakes head*
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Moonfish
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posted July 02, 2012 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
I agree with everything you said.
I know a girl like this, I am not sure how strong Neptune is in her chart but she has a Virgo sun and either has a Cancer moon or a Leo moon...both placements are said to kinda go overboard with the victim mentality and attention-needing if poorly aspected (and supported by other things/situations etc etc). I think she has Cancer moon because she has a hard time letting go of bad people and situations. She would always, always complain about a certain guy in her life when we would always tell her to stop talking to him. I think she just liked the attention, because she never ever listened to the advice.
edited too late, my bad lol But I agree, thats definitely a sign of someone who plays the pity card  no matter how much advice you give to them they don't change because there only doing it for the attention. Still, I think it goes deeper than the placements. I assume it's more about how they grew up. perhaps a bad childhood and looking for the love there parents never gave them? who knows. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 02, 2012 10:10 PM
Bad childhood..... I swear her so called "bad childhood" is a large source of the pity. Her bad times where more public....so what?!!? We all have childhood issues. Guess what, life sucks....grow from your problems and move on. And don't announce them. If I announced my issues (Scorpio moon conjunct pluto in 12th)I'd give her a run for her money. And if this is what attention/pity is based on, well I "deserve" it more than her, lots of people would....but I keep them to myself.
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Moonfish
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posted July 02, 2012 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
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She claims that....not saying this is you too, I mean shes got head issues lol
But shes says she hates it but is one of those girls on FB who whines about everything and acts like her life is so hard psh! And complains instantly when you see her or talk to her. She sickens me >_<
Lol it's all good but yea that's pretty ironic
edit: hmm looking at her chart she has very few water placements, which again makes me believe that this can happen to anyone IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 02, 2012 10:34 PM
Yea I can tell you seem to resent the attn she gets. Maybe, just maybe?, you can try opening up a bit more to people, exposing your vulnerabilities and sharing them, and that might take some of your attn off of her. It's worth a shot, esp since you do have that intense conj in the 12th. It might not be the easiest thing (?) to do, but just baby steps in that direction might help, of course with someone you trust.Anyway (assuming correct tob) she has her H3 ruler Moon in Sadge H7 trine Jup its dispositor. Could factor in for her mind is on her feelings and getting them out there to others, and having this be the way that she makes connections with people. Hoping that they'll sympathize and be able to forge a bond with them. And then the Jup/Moon trine factor for being babied. Then you have the Jup in Aries which can be greedy about all this. And then that Jup is sq the Sun, bringing in the inflated ego which needs to consciously be tamed, not easy for them. Sun is IC ruler here too, IC being our depths, when it's sq Jup like that there's not much that remains hidden for long. It's Sun in 9th sq Jup, nothing secretive about that. Merc is ASC ruler, sq pluto can be manipulative, pluto in h6 of habits. Aside from just Moon being in the 7th, she has 5 of her house rulers in H7. She has dominant western emphasis typically noted for needing others to get somewhere in life, vs someone with eastern emphasis which is typically said to be more self reliant. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted July 02, 2012 11:21 PM
MAJOR alert: Chiron in the 1st house. Someone I know has this placement and is constantly, incessantly and passive aggressively demanding more attention from everyone around them, they hate their family and wish that I would disappear since I apparently take the spot light too much. She's borderline mental. One interpretation: "...there were restrictions in early childhood that will have had the effect on you of either retreating into yourself or having to fight to be noticed. There will be a need to find personal meaning in existence. Some will do this by being overly aggressive, others by withdrawing." Obviously she is the latter and it seems apparent her childhood issues have made her extremely needy, and make others see her this way, see her visible childhood wounds. I wish you could aspect Chiron by checking 'add Chiron aspects' for her. Can't be certain but judging by the position of it in the 1st house, it could widely trine Venus. Maybe. And Venus is in the first degree of Pisces, making her Venus even MORE emotional, watery and Neptunian. Planets in first degrees of a sign can really blow the nature of the sign and planet it meshes with out of proportion... in 0-1 degrees of the sign we have a planet that's like a hyped up kid on red fruit punch. Sometimes too evident in its wild and unrestricted, out of control nature. Her Pisces Venus can get out of hand hence why it seems others care for her so much, not to mention the probable Chiron trine which makes the empathy-sympathy thing even more evident. Add this to the fact that Venus is posited in the 10th where the planets not given enough attention from in the house opposite, the Nadir (4th house of childhood and care, early family roots and foundation) are displayed for all to see in the public eye - this is probably where that's coming from, how you say all her problems are so public. She is quite a handful I'm sure. Just try to hang in there. IP: Logged |
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posted July 02, 2012 11:25 PM
Dang I'm gonna start checkin charts for Chiron in the 1st. That sounds wicked. http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinhouses.html IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 03, 2012 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yea I can tell you seem to resent the attn she gets. Maybe, just maybe?, you can try opening up a bit more to people, exposing your vulnerabilities and sharing them, and that might take some of your attn off of her. It's worth a shot, esp since you do have that intense conj in the 12th. It might not be the easiest thing (?) to do, but just baby steps in that direction might help, of course with someone you trust.
I won't get angry I know thats how it seems lol I much more comfortable being private and too much attention stresses me out. Why she gets me so angry is that, having been very close to her, she cares for NO ONE but herself. And so many people, many of which are my family, since she is a relative care and help her and it ****** me off, cause I feel like they are getting used/cheated. And just anyone in general who believes that she cares, makes me angry.
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Anyway (assuming correct tob) she has her H3 ruler Moon in Sadge H7 trine Jup its dispositor. Could factor in for her mind is on her feelings and getting them out there to others, and having this be the way that she makes connections with people. Hoping that they'll sympathize and be able to forge a bond with them. And then the Jup/Moon trine factor for being babied. Then you have the Jup in Aries which can be greedy about all this. And then that Jup is sq the Sun, bringing in the inflated ego which needs to consciously be tamed, not easy for them. Sun is IC ruler here too, IC being our depths, when it's sq Jup like that there's not much that remains hidden for long. It's Sun in 9th sq Jup, nothing secretive about that. Merc is ASC ruler, sq pluto can be manipulative, pluto in h6 of habits. Aside from just Moon being in the 7th, she has 5 of her house rulers in H7. She has dominant western emphasis typically noted for needing others to get somewhere in life, vs someone with eastern emphasis which is typically said to be more self reliant.
Yep sounds just like her. And its funny she is always saying shes so independent lolIP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 03, 2012 04:58 PM
Ah, so I was right, I kept wondering how the first house chiron affected this.
Ah, all my theories are shown in her chart....
This girl is mental lol delusional, the whole hoopla. Sadly most do not see it 
Heres her Chiron aspects
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posted July 03, 2012 05:36 PM
o she's FAMILY? yikes.IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 03, 2012 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
o she's FAMILY? yikes.
Yep..... O_O
So I think part of why I get so angry is that its part of my family and its probably my Scorpio Moon getting all protective of them plus shes pretty much fake  IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2012 08:01 PM
Well hmm she does have t.Pluto conj n.Neptune at the mo. Can signal death of a dream to a certain extent, harsh reality comes to light so you salvage what you can and ditch the rest. 8th signals shared resources, there may be a thud in that area coming up. Maybe her income source from another dries up or is met with restrictions, Pluto cap indicates economy tanking so that might be a factor. In the neg can also be sexually transmitted disease or infection, the idea being that what is being given to this person or shared with others in terms of H8 issues is not all that it's cracked up to be, that actions in this area (the bond with the other) have their consequences. She might also be committing fraud, or others might be taking advantage of her resources. 8th also rules finances of marriage partner, death and inheritance, taxes.IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2012 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
Ah, so I was right, I kept wondering how the first house chiron affected this.
Ah, all my theories are shown in her chart....
This girl is mental lol delusional, the whole hoopla. Sadly most do not see it
Heres her Chiron aspects
Duh, it's at the bottom of the chart. Facepalm! Haha. I see I was right, it appears Chiron does trine Venus which supported my earlier theory. I forgot to mention, that her Chiron also makes noticeable oppositions to all her Sagittarius planets, like her Mars and her Moon as well as gen. planets Uranus and Saturn. I actually have Chiron-Moon myself and it is hard. But in her first this makes it even more evident, everyone can see it. Her sensitivity and old wounds of the past layer her outward self. And from the Moon contact makes her a little too self-involved with how others have rejected or hurt her emotionally in the past, and since Chiron trines Venus people will probably coddle her for it, right? I'm thinking this aspect could make people have a tendency to maybe... cater to her emotionally and try to take her pain away, by being extra sweet or by being cautious? Not 100% on that though. Maybe it just goes where she perceives that people should act this way to her but don't enough. I think the Moon opposition could also make her totally unaware of her feelings, and maybe even have others unaware of hers too. There are a few possibilities for this. But her Chiron placement seems pivotal for why she's having issues too. It's quite important also to note that her Mercury makes the sesquiquadrate to her Chiron. This aspect shows what is very difficult and causes tension and feels impossible to solve, keyword, impossible! Her thinking does not mesh with her need to heal her own wounds, and get over what has happened to her in her life. This is probably why she is so self-absorbed and has no clue what her pity party psychosis session is doing to others in her life and herself. IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2012 11:06 PM
Yes she does her her transiting Pluto conjunct her natal Neptune, its at 0 now. And wow wow.....that makes perfect sense. She just moved across country, with no job waiting for her and living on her own, which is just crazy, she can't afford it. Shes been living with friends and family for either free or little and left everyone who has been helping her to move to somewhere where she knows no one. And yet people still don't see through her. So yes, other peoples resources aren't gonna be helping her anymore, and this dream is gonna crash. Not to sound sadistic but I hope it does, shes taken advantage of everyone and deserves this. Shes been so ungrateful. I could never see how she'd make it out there. I've just been waiting to see how long she lasts.
STD? maybe, she ain't too bright and well I'm sure from what I've already said you can make some conclusions about her lol But the dream and money thing, bull's eye.IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted July 03, 2012 11:13 PM
" people will probably coddle her for it, right? I'm thinking this aspect could make people have a tendency to maybe... cater to her emotionally and try to take her pain away, by being extra sweet or by being cautious?"Definitely.
And what's most aggravating is that, yes she may have had a some hard times in her childhood, but now? Hell no! She's had it easy, so she blows up every teeny weeny "problem" she has, and for some reason people believe it and coddle her. *shakes head* The thing that baffles me the most is why people fall for it.
I honestly don't think all that she acts this way consciously for the most part, shes got head issues. But still, the craziest people don't know they are crazy :lol: IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2012 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
" people will probably coddle her for it, right? I'm thinking this aspect could make people have a tendency to maybe... cater to her emotionally and try to take her pain away, by being extra sweet or by being cautious?"Definitely.
And what's most aggravating is that, yes she may have had a some hard times in her childhood, but now? Hell no! She's had it easy, so she blows up every teeny weeny "problem" she has, and for some reason people believe it and coddle her. *shakes head* The thing that baffles me the most is why people fall for it.
I honestly don't think all that she acts this way consciously for the most part, shes got head issues. But still, the craziest people don't know they are crazy :lol:
I'm glad I predicted that correctly, really that was my first instinct about her and how that would manifest. Her Mercury is not in good shape as I said, pointing to obsessive issues. Pluto in the 6th also could, as other users have said here, lead to serious health issues. I wouldn't be surprised for sexual disease or eating disorders and obsession on appearance that leads to downward health spirals. Since her Pluto also squares Aqua Mercury in the 9th... the woman I mentioned with H1 Chiron also has this aspect and it makes her go mental and fuels her OCD and irrational apocalypse fears. Her life has a Chironic flavor, really, her outward identity, which she uses to fuel her Chiron-swamped Pisces Venus and her petty woes for all to see. She is abusing what has happened to her in the past as an excuse to hurt people and suck up attention now. The reason why she seems to easily dupe people is because Chiron as I said, ended up smack dab in the middle of her first house and reaches the elevated Venus that's open for the world to see. So people will get sucked in by her watery, dramatic emotions and sensuality and feel like, Oh Poor Baby... It really does suck I'm sure. Note that Pisces is the sign of fog, confusion and illusions besides its compassion and empathy... so when we easily abuse and let a planet in 1 degrees go out of control (which is quite easy to do with it in the 1st degree!) we have someone who immaturely abuses the Pisces in her Venus to deceive people's hearts, to garner sympathy for what she needn't be. Notice also how her chart ruler Mercury, is pretty poorly aspected... the sextile to Mars doesn't do much good, I have the square and personally, it sucks have a Mars-Mercury contact in general. Can she be extremely and unexpectedly fiery and impulsive in her speech? Releasing torrents of pointed BS on you, that seem to go every which way in her points? I'm saying this because of Sagittarius, it might make her anger scatter her mind... She really does seem quite in a bad place. And yes, you're totally right. My crazy family member claims we are all nuts, but we're not the ones with OCD and fear of zombies, you know?? IP: Logged | |
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