posted July 15, 2012 08:34 PM            

Don Juan: By seeing beyond what is visible to the eye. Now there are those, of course, who do not share my perceptions, it's true. When I say that all my woman are dazzling beauties, they object. The nose of this one is too large; the-the hips of another, they are too wide; perhaps the breasts of a third, they are too small. But I see these women for how they truly are... glorious, radiant, spectacular, and perfect, because, I am not limited by my eyesight. Women react to me the way that they do, Don Octavio, because they sense that I search out the beauty that dwells within until it overwhelms everything else. And then they cannot avoid their desire, to release that beauty and envelope me in it. So, to answer your question, I see as clear as day that this great edifice in which we find ourselves is your villa. It is your home. And as for you, Don Octavio DeFlores, you are a great lover like myself, even though you may have lost your way and your accent. Shall I continue?

posted July 15, 2012 08:42 PM            

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Of course they do.. but i find they put too much value in beauty In my opinion it greatly devalues a woman. I've had comments like " YOu are so beautiful why aren't you married" I Find this offensive.. devaluing me to just a piece of meat. I am a lot more than my beauty. This is a problem in society too as most people treat attractive people nicer than less attractive people (even subconsciously) Our society has a lot to learn and there's lots of growth needed.

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Don Juan: By seeing beyond what is visible to the eye. Now there are those, of course, who do not share my perceptions, it's true. When I say that all my woman are dazzling beauties, they object. The nose of this one is too large; the-the hips of another, they are too wide; perhaps the breasts of a third, they are too small. But I see these women for how they truly are... glorious, radiant, spectacular, and perfect, because, I am not limited by my eyesight. Women react to me the way that they do, Don Octavio, because they sense that I search out the beauty that dwells within until it overwhelms everything else. And then they cannot avoid their desire, to release that beauty and envelope me in it. So, to answer your question, I see as clear as day that this great edifice in which we find ourselves is your villa. It is your home. And as for you, Don Octavio DeFlores, you are a great lover like myself, even though you may have lost your way and your accent. Shall I continue?

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posted July 15, 2012 08:42 PM            

I’m not ashamed to say it. I like looking at beautiful things, beautiful places, and beautiful people. It’s a natural part of being human. That being said, different people view different things as ‘beautiful’….. There are society’s standards, and then there is what appeals on an individual level to each person, which may or may not be inline with society.

Beauty is subjective. The only constant I’ve noticed is that looking healthy is important… I think on a biological level we are not attracted to mates that look unhealthy, because in theory we are intending to reproduce with them. On a biological level we all want to have healthy offspring and look for mates who can provide this opportunity when we’re ready. So if you don’t take care of your body, only eat junk, and drink and smoke too much, you may loose you sex appeal… If you are healthy, even if you don’t look ‘perfect’ someone will be attracted to you.

You don’t have to be perfect to have someone fall in love with you. You just need to be their ‘type’ and have chemistry with them. Synastry shows how we have chemistry with others, and the Natal revels what our ‘type’ is…..

There are two types of attraction…. Physical attraction, which is shown in planetary synastry…. And psychological attraction, which is the type of personality you’re attracted to, and shows in your natal chart…

Looking at the 5th,7th, and 8th houses by sign, planets in these houses, and the house ruler’s position, shows our psychological type… What type of temperament and values we want our partner to have, what type of sense of humor we like in a partner… That sort of thing. Psychological attraction shows how we find things like a kind heart, a sense of humor, and self assurance attractive…. Psychological attraction shows how ‘personality’ is beautiful to us. And if someone strongly influences your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in synastry, often you are able to spot them from across a room even if they haven’t said a word. Somehow you just ‘know’ that they have the personality type that you’re attracted to….

If someone has Saturn in the 5th, 7th or 8th houses they might be attracted to authority figures…. Not because they ONLY care about status, but because that is just what they find this type romantically appealing. If they had Uranus there instead, they probably go for more of rebel type. And if they had both Uranus and Saturn placed like this, they’d go for a combination of both…. Like a manager with progressive ideas or something….

If someone is not your type in terms of personality as shown by the natal chart, and planetary synastry, they could be drop dead gorgeous and still not hold any special appeal to you. I’d be like looking at a pretty picture and having no reaction. If someone is your psychological type, and your share a Mars/Venus conjunction or something, even if their looks are so so, you’d find yourself drawn to them…

If you have lots of attraction planetary synastry aspects with someone, like Venus/Mars, but they are not your psychological type… They’d turn you on, but you wouldn’t pick them for a serious relationship.

If someone is your psychological type, but there's no physical attraction planetary aspects in your synastry… You’d really like them a lot, and wouldn’t mind spending time with them, only you just wouldn’t have enough physical chemistry with them to want them as a mate.

posted July 16, 2012 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
It’s not ‘wrong’ to be attracted to beauty. However, if that’s your only priority then you have a problem.

I’m not ashamed to say it. I like looking at beautiful things, beautiful places, and beautiful people. It’s a natural part of being human. That being said, different people view different things as ‘beautiful’….. There are society’s standards, and then there is what appeals on an individual level to each person, which may or may not be inline with society.

Beauty is subjective. The only constant I’ve noticed is that looking healthy is important… I think on a biological level we are not attracted to mates that look unhealthy, because in theory we are intending to reproduce with them. On a biological level we all want to have healthy offspring and look for mates who can provide this opportunity when we’re ready. So if you don’t take care of your body, only eat junk, and drink and smoke too much, you may loose you sex appeal… If you are healthy, even if you don’t look ‘perfect’ someone will be attracted to you.

You don’t have to be perfect to have someone fall in love with you. You just need to be their ‘type’ and have chemistry with them. Synastry shows how we have chemistry with others, and the Natal revels what our ‘type’ is…..

There are two types of attraction…. Physical attraction, which is shown in planetary synastry…. And psychological attraction, which is the type of personality you’re attracted to, and shows in your natal chart…

Looking at the 5th,7th, and 8th houses by sign, planets in these houses, and the house ruler’s position, shows our psychological type… What type of temperament and values we want our partner to have, what type of sense of humor we like in a partner… That sort of thing. Psychological attraction shows how we find things like a kind heart, a sense of humor, and self assurance attractive…. Psychological attraction shows how ‘personality’ is beautiful to us. And if someone strongly influences your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in synastry, often you are able to spot them from across a room even if they haven’t said a word. Somehow you just ‘know’ that they have the personality type that you’re attracted to….

If someone has Saturn in the 5th, 7th or 8th houses they might be attracted to authority figures…. Not because they ONLY care about status, but because that is just what they find this type romantically appealing. If they had Uranus there instead, they probably go for more of rebel type. And if they had both Uranus and Saturn placed like this, they’d go for a combination of both…. Like a manager with progressive ideas or something….

If someone is not your type in terms of personality as shown by the natal chart, and planetary synastry, they could be drop dead gorgeous and still not hold any special appeal to you. I’d be like looking at a pretty picture and having no reaction. If someone is your psychological type, and your share a Mars/Venus conjunction or something, even if their looks are so so, you’d find yourself drawn to them…

If you have lots of attraction planetary synastry aspects with someone, like Venus/Mars, but they are not your psychological type… They’d turn you on, but you wouldn’t pick them for a serious relationship.

If someone is your psychological type, but there's no physical attraction planetary aspects in your synastry… You’d really like them a lot, and wouldn’t mind spending time with them, only you just wouldn’t have enough physical chemistry with them to want them as a mate.

I think when it comes to love it’s more about perfect matches, then it is about perfect looks.

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posted July 17, 2012 01:59 PM            

He says he has a high sex drive but doesn't get turned on easy, but that I turn him on easy. lol
I can't help but be suspicious of that, but he is a very unique guy with class. So it could be the truth.

Also I'm apparently the first curvy girl he has been with. He told me that he has always been with skinny girls with no curves really, and didn't like it, and now that he's with a girl like me he really likes it.

He's a typical guy, doesn't like fashion, shopping, chick flicks(yes!! I hate chick flicks too! lol)
Gets annoyed when we are in the longest line ever at walmart and a grab a cosmopolitan and start reading it. haha

Gives me the I don't need make up talk. That is nice to say. Yes I don't need it, and I don't wear it everyday anymore. But come on! "I just think girls look better with out it" "you shouldn't have to put that stuff on to be yourself" Ugh, and I've told him it's self expression. And that now is the time to do these fun in your face I'm wearing make up looks and rock it. It's fun to get done up sometimes. And I've told him that studies show that guys do like the 'shes wearing make up but I can't tell it's there' look.

I hate getting done up in front of guys they always give me a hard time. So I try not to in front of them, but some times it's like whatever just deal with it.

He told me he likes that I don't act all "Barbie"

but I am much more vain than
I use to be so I'm glad it doesn't show. lol

posted July 17, 2012 02:26 PM            

In the past I have dated pretty much all guy body types, skinny, athletic, short, tall, fat and average. Even effed up teeth.

And yes the guy I am dating is tall(not very hard to be tall with me I'm 5 foot one. He is really just average height. LOL) dark, and handsome/sexy/cute!
AND he has a personality!! Today he had me laughing so hard that I was crying.

but yes it is more than his looks, he is stable and fun.

(in past I've lusted guys but it did not go far cause their personalities where non existent or just terrible)

posted July 17, 2012 02:38 PM            

If a girl is beautiful , but I'm not sensing anything more between us, I'll probably make small talk but that's about it.

If she's got an exciting personality, but not more attractive looks (to me), we'll be friends.

posted July 17, 2012 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
I've had comments like " YOu are so beautiful why aren't you married" I Find this offensive.. devaluing me to just a piece of meat. I am a lot more than my beauty. This is a problem in society too as most people treat attractive people nicer than less attractive people (even subconsciously) Our society has a lot to learn and there's lots of growth needed.

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--I get offended by that, too.

I don't know that it's always intended as offensive, as it seems to come mostly from older people, but it's still annoying. What, like if I were plain or ugly, I wouldn't deserve love? I would be worth less as a person?

I, too, often feel like just a piece of meat.

That doesn't bother me as much, though, as when people feel like they have the right to hit on me. It happened yesterday and I was furious. This creep does that to me, and I said that it was not all right to do that. He kept making excuses about it, too, and told me that I should be thankful. Um, NO. First, you have no right to tell me how to feel about anything. Second, no, I should not be grateful that you are making unwelcome advances and are threating my safety, especially when you do it several times after I make it very direct and clear that it is NOT all right.

I deserve to go about my daily life in peace, without filthy, disgusting perverts bothering me. When I am out in the world, I am NOT looking for sexual attention. It infuriates me.

Society has so much to learn, and so much to improve. Rape culture needs to be one of the first things to go. It bothers me to no end that people think that they have a right to another person. UGH.

Thinking that someone is beautiful/handsome and keeping your mouth shut and your thoughts to yourself is one thing. Actually violating that person is crossing the line and not OK.

posted July 17, 2012 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
If you have lots of attraction planetary synastry aspects with someone, like Venus/Mars, but they are not your psychological type… They’d turn you on, but you wouldn’t pick them for a serious relationship.

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posted July 17, 2012 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I get offended by that, too.

I don't know that it's always intended as offensive, as it seems to come mostly from older people, but it's still annoying. What, like if I were plain or ugly, I wouldn't deserve love? I would be worth less as a person?

I, too, often feel like just a piece of meat.

That doesn't bother me as much, though, as when people feel like they have the right to hit on me. It happened yesterday and I was furious. This creep does that to me, and I said that it was not all right to do that. He kept making excuses about it, too, and told me that I should be thankful. Um, NO. First, you have no right to tell me how to feel about anything. Second, no, I should not be grateful that you are making unwelcome advances and are threating my safety, especially when you do it several times after I make it very direct and clear that it is NOT all right.

I deserve to go about my daily life in peace, without filthy, disgusting perverts bothering me. When I am out in the world, I am NOT looking for sexual attention. It infuriates me.

Society has so much to learn, and so much to improve. Rape culture needs to be one of the first things to go. It bothers me to no end that people think that they have a right to another person. UGH.

Thinking that someone is beautiful/handsome and keeping your mouth shut and your thoughts to yourself is one thing. Actually violating that person is crossing the line and not OK.

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posted July 17, 2012 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Mentioning that your wife is a professional magazine model, that she had a Masters degree, your suit and shoes, and the Bible in your office... and you say it's not about status for you?

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i agree.

posted July 18, 2012 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I know of a couple who have Mars trine Venus (his Mars, her Venus). They've been married almost 4 years now, and the wife is pregnant. Seems pretty serious.

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Did you read my entire post? They wouldn't be in a serious relationship if they weren't each other's type in terms of personality (psychological attraction), and as well as looks (physical attraction, which comes from aspects that produce attraction like Venus/Mars). The whole point of my post was to show that you need a combination of BOTH physical attraction, and liking each others personality, to really fall in love.

Physical attraction is shown by planetary synastry.... Like Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Sun/Venus... And all the rest.

Liking each other's personality is shown by synastry involving the 5th,7th, and 8th houses, and the rulers of these houses.

The best relationships have a combo of physical attraction and psychological attraction. That was my point.

posted July 18, 2012 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'd also suggest we be careful when saying "someone has no personality" or "Someone has a terrible personality." That person's personality simply didn't resonate with [b] you, but that's not to say they don't have a personality.[/B]

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This I do agree with.

One person might say “Jack is sooo dull and boring!”

Another might say “ I love Jack because he’s so calm and laidback”

A person could also say “ Susan talks too much. She’s annoying.”

And someone else could say “ Susan is so fun and full of life!”

posted July 18, 2012 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
Nothing wrong with appreciating beauty its totally natural.. putting value into beauty is not.

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It is wrong if you violate someone, make them feel unsafe, and if you do not leave them alone. No one deserves harassment. I deserve to be left alone in peace and not bothered. People do not have the right to access me, and they are not entitled to interact with me.

It's one thing to think in your head that someone is nice-looking, but you should not express that or make a move on someone, especially if a woman is alone, walking by herself, or is out just doing her daily routines, like grocery shopping. I have been followed at the grocery store and it took all that I had not to slap that person and/or start screaming. I ran out of there as soon as I could, not even caring if I took all of my groceries that I had just paid for. It was terrifying. I felt so sick.

And this happens at places where it should never happen--I don't go to bars. Not that I would welcome it at a bar, but what I mean is that I stick to places that should be safe and off-limits, and filthy disgusting wastes of life still have the audacity to bother me.

Being hit on and approached are always and without exception unacceptable to me, period. I feel so angry when that happens. There should be consequences for that, but there aren't--only that women are punished for it and are limited as to what they can do because perverts refuse to control themselves.

posted July 18, 2012 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
Nothing wrong with appreciating beauty its totally natural.. putting value into beauty is not.

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This makes no sense,whatsoever.

posted July 18, 2012 11:20 AM            

oh yes I really do find that synastry plays a role in this. The guy I'm dating also has his mars trine my venus. *dreamy face*

posted July 18, 2012 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by hmm:
i agree. every other post is talking about how your wife use to be a model. etc.

you give capricorns a bad name.

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posted July 18, 2012 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
"Originally posted by Lotis White:
If you have lots of attraction planetary synastry aspects with someone, like Venus/Mars, but they are not your psychological type� They�d turn you on, but you wouldn�t pick them for a serious relationship."

Did you read my entire post? They wouldn't be in a serious relationship if they weren't each other's type in terms of personality (psychological attraction), and as well as looks (physical attraction, which comes from aspects that produce attraction like Venus/Mars). The whole point of my post was to show that you need a combination of BOTH physical attraction, and liking each others personality, to really fall in love.

Physical attraction is shown by planetary synastry.... Like Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Sun/Venus... And all the rest.

Liking each other's personality is shown by synastry involving the 5th,7th, and 8th houses, and the rulers of these houses.

The best relationships have a combo of physical attraction and psychological attraction. That was my point.

Are you saying you don�t think the couple in question like each other�s personality? And that they only have the physical? I find this very unlikely.

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posted July 18, 2012 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
"Originally posted by Lotis White:
If you have lots of attraction planetary synastry aspects with someone, like Venus/Mars, but they are not your psychological type� They�d turn you on, but you wouldn�t pick them for a serious relationship."

Did you read my entire post? They wouldn't be in a serious relationship if they weren't each other's type in terms of personality (psychological attraction), and as well as looks (physical attraction, which comes from aspects that produce attraction like Venus/Mars). The whole point of my post was to show that you need a combination of BOTH physical attraction, and liking each others personality, to really fall in love.

Physical attraction is shown by planetary synastry.... Like Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Sun/Venus... And all the rest.

Liking each other's personality is shown by synastry involving the 5th,7th, and 8th houses, and the rulers of these houses.

The best relationships have a combo of physical attraction and psychological attraction. That was my point.

Are you saying you don�t think the couple in question like each other�s personality? And that they only have the physical? I find this very unlikely.

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posted July 18, 2012 01:24 PM            

what sign or aspect is not impressed with beauty?