posted July 26, 2012 09:42 AM            

I have two dispositors trees in my chart.

My Sag planets (Sun, Mercury, Mars) plus the nodal axis, Uranus, neptune and Chiron all report back to Jupiter in Pisces.

my Venus, Pluto and Vertex all report back to the mutual reception of Moon and Saturn.

It is like two different circles in my chart and shows in my case at least how different my emotional side is from the rest of my personality, Moon and Venus are both in connection to Pluto and Saturn.
And how the rest is especially in line with Jupiter.

What it means could be something like this:
Jupiter in Pisces determines to a great deal how I express all these planets including Sun, Mercury, Mars,
while Moon in Aquarius and Saturn in Cancer show how I approach relationships.

Not an easy picture, but it is EXTREMELY fitting.

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so Jupiter in Pisces

rules

1st level:
Sun in Sagittarius
Mercury in Sag
Mars in Sag
neptune in Sag

2nd level:
Sun rules nothing (no planets in Leo)
mercury rules DESC and SN (as they are in Gem)
mars rules IC and Chiron (in Aries)
Mars alsor rules Uranus (in Scorpio)

So all these are ruled by Jupiter in Pisces (only usuing classic rulership here, if I use modern one, uranus would end up in the moon-Saturn tree)

second tree in my chart:

Moon in Aquarius and Saturn in Cancer in mutual reception

1st level
rule
Venus (in Capricorn) by Saturn
Vertex (in Cancer) by Moon

2nd level
rule
Pluto (in Libra) by Venus
MC (in Libra)

posted July 26, 2012 10:02 AM            

Jupiter on 11 Pisces
- Jupiter (in Piscces): 5 votes
- Venus (in Cappy): 4 votes
- Mars (in Sag): 3 votes
- Jupiter (in Pisces): 2 votes
- Jupiter (in Pisces): 1 vote

Jupiter (9 votes)
Venus (4 votes)
Mars (3 votes)

Jupiter is going to overpower them all. lol

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Moon in Aquarius:
- Saturn (5 votes)
- mercury (3 votes)
- Venus (2 votes)
- Mercury (1 vote)

Saturn in Cancer: 5 votes
Mercury in Sag: 4 votes

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Saturn in 17 Cancer

- Moon: 5 votes
- Jupiter: 4 votes
- mars: 3 votes
- Mercury: 2 votes
- Mercury: 1 vote

Moon in Aquarius: 5 votes
Jupiter in Pisces: 4 votes
Mars in Sag: 3 votes
Mercury in Sag: 3 votes

posted July 26, 2012 10:42 AM            

how to read the table was being explained int he paragraph above the table.

So in the Taurus-sector.

You see that it sais under TERM:
Mercury 15
Jupiter 22
Saturn 26

It means that it`s MERCURY`S term from 15°00 to 21°49
From 22°00 Taurus JUPITER takes over
and from 26° Taurus SATURN takes over.

So for you the term would be MERCURY
FACE would be MOON (but you had that already I think).

Anyway the way your Sun expresses would be mostly determined by Venus in Taurus and Moon in Leo - a pretty relationship oriented Sun as it seems. But of course also a pretty fixed one. Not only is it in a fixed sign itself, but the strongest planets there are in fixed signs, too.
Do you sometimes feel like you need to have your Ego stroked to feel yourself or to feel good about yourself?
I am just asking because of the Moon in Leo.

posted July 26, 2012 11:19 AM            

So my sun is

posted July 26, 2012 11:57 AM            

So the sun/ ego rules my emotions/ moon?

Mercury in Aries 26 deg
- Mars in Scorpio 5 points
- Sun in Taurus 4 points
- Sun in Taurus 3 points
- Mars in Scorpio 2 points
- Venus in Taurus 1 point

The sun and mars rule the way I think..

Venus in Taurus 6 deg
- Venus in Taurus 5 points
- Moon in Leo 4 points
- Venus in Taurus 3 points
- Venus in Taurus 2 points
- Mercury in Aries 1 point

Venus in Taurus on steroids?

Mars in Scorpio 22 deg
- Mars in Scorpio 5 points
- Mars in Scorpio 3 points
- Venus in Taurus 2 points
- Venus in Taurus 1 point

Ditto my mars..

Jup in Cap 12 deg
- Saturn in Scorpio 5 points
- Mars in Scorpio 4 points
- Venus in Taurus 3 points
- Mercury in Aries 2 points
- Mars in Scorpio 1 point

Fun through Saturn and mars?

Saturn in Scorpio 12 deg
- Mars in Scorpio 5 points
- Mars in Scorpio 3 points
- Mars in Scorpio 2 points
- Sun in Taurus 1 point

posted July 26, 2012 10:21 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway the way your Sun expresses would be mostly determined by Venus in Taurus and Moon in Leo - a pretty relationship oriented Sun as it seems. But of course also a pretty fixed one. Not only is it in a fixed sign itself, but the strongest planets there are in fixed signs, too.
Do you sometimes feel like you need to have your Ego stroked to feel yourself or to feel good about yourself?
I am just asking because of the Moon in Leo.

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posted July 27, 2012 02:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by sand:
Saturn in Scorpio 12 deg
- Mars in Scorpio 5 points
- Mars in Scorpio 3 points
- Mars in Scorpio 2 points
- Sun in Taurus 1 point

This one I don't get..

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Yeah, I find Saturn to be pretty difficult to interprete. It`s sort of the "inner voice of law", an inner compass, the authoritative voice that tells you what you SHOULD do (and you donīt want to most of the time - at least I donīt).

So if that inner compass/ police officer / judge of yours is very concerned about the issues of that strong strong Mars (in rulership) - then maybe you might feel like you want to run beserk everytime someone cuts you off in traffic (at least an impolite gesture or snide remark could be exchanged)?

Just trying to think of an example here.

A bit more abstractly, maybe your inner compass is very concerned about how to ACT the right way?

(My Saturn is ruled by Moon - and for me it certainly is true, that I always want to feel or connect emotionally "appropriately or the right way").

But keep in mind that of course it is YOUR inner compass, you set your own boundaries, even though you may not be aware of it.

Example:
Two years ago I was having some trouble with digestion (Tr Saturn was squaring my Sun-Mercury-conjunction exactly at that time and my Solar Return had a Moon in Virgo, maybe even in 6th house, donīt remember).

Anyway, it had to do with wrong eating behaviour.
I KNEW I shouldnīt eat this and that and this again. my inner voice had CLEARLY told me: "This is not good, for these reasons: 1...2....3...etc. Leave it be or you will face the consequences."

But my inner (quite spoiled) child was whining and stomping her feet onto the ground: "But I WANT to eat it. Now. And tomorrow. And the day after that. And in the amount I want to. YOU can`t tell me anything. You`re not my mother." (actually my inner judge often sounds remarkably like my mother. lol)

I ate the stuff, and I faced the consequences.

I believe though that at least to a big part I faced these consequences and "punishment", because I had violated MY OWN RULESYSTEM.
I had decided or known it was wrong and a habit that needed change, but I resisted and violated my own law.
And everytime the law is violated, you face the consequences (at least within your personality, that is).

Does that help you in any way? Mmh, I feel I sort of drifted away in rambling, but anyway, I think Saturn is very much about doing things "the right way". But what the right way is is your own decisiion; just usually it is not a conscious decision and furthermore it is not what your Ego or inner child WANTS.

Sometimes we want things we KNOW are bad for us. Saturn reminds us: Yes they are bad.
No you can`t memorize the number of that other car, stalk the offender, who cut you off in traffic, and make his life a hell for the next decade. It is not the right way to ACT.

Of course the question is: what is the right way to act for a Scorpio?

posted July 28, 2013 12:05 PM            

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posted July 28, 2013 11:00 PM            

SUN 11Aqu03:
Saturn in Cap - 5
Mercury in Aqu - 3
Mercury in Aqu - 2
Mercury in Aqu - 1

That shouldn't surprise me; my reason ALWAYS wins!

MOON 4Leo25:
Sun in Aqu - 5
Jupiter in Cap - 3
Saturn in Cap - 2
Saturn in Cap - 1

My Jupiter/Saturn conjunction again -- they can override if they combine votes.

MERCURY in 27Aqu26:
Saturn in Cap - 5
Mercury in Aqu - 3
Mars in Can - 2
Moon in Leo - 1

VENUS in 27Pis59:
Jupiter in Cap - 5
Venus in Pis - 4
Mars in Cancer - 3
Mars in Cancer - 2
Mars in Cancer -1

Okay, now I know who carries more weight in THAT square!

MARS retrograde 0Can13:
Moon in Leo - 5
Jupiter in Cap - 4
Mars in Can - 3
Mars in Can - 2
Venus in Pis - 1

Who's going to win this round?
"I don't FEEL like taking action!"
"You'd "feel" better if you DO!!"
(Jupiter looks on indulgently while Venus files her nails.)

JUPITER in 21Cap4:
Saturn in Cap - 5
Mars in Cancer - 4
Moon in Leo - 3
Mars in Cancer - 2
Sun in Aquarius - 1

Mars takes this one. Does it matter that he's retrograde?

Saturn in 23Cap08:
Saturn in Cap - 5
Mars in Cancer - 4
Moon in Leo - 3
Mars in Cancer - 2
Sun in Aquarius - 1

No one else did their outer planets? I feel like my Neptune is very prominent since my Chart ruler is in Pisces, Neptune is in my 1st house, it's on my Antivertex by only 6 minutes and squares my Sun by only 14 minutes. I'm going to try that one, too and see what happens:

NEPTUNE in 11Sco17:
Mars in Cancer - 5 votes
Mars in Cancer - 3 votes
Jupiter in Cappy - 2 votes
Sun in Aquarius - 1 vote

Perhaps, I should get off my retrograde a$$ and try and make my dreams come true?