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planet9
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posted August 02, 2012 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for planet9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera said: "I am starting to not feel guilty and ashamed for what happened." I like the saying: "Never do anything you know you'll feel guilty about and never feel guilty about anything you've done." Perhaps a feeling of guilt or shame has a lesson, but if so then once that lesson is learned then there's no point to keeping the feeling hanging about, since it has only negative effects. Or maybe the feeling is based on a false belief, in which case if you examine the source of the feeling you might uncover the false belief, and so, recognizing that it's false, remove the basis for the feeling.

Hera said also: "I loved your interp on James's chart." Thanks -- but there's actually no interpretation, simply information regarding Holmes's personal transits (which and when). This is meant to be useful to astrologers, who can then supply an interpretation -- the significance of certain transits occurring at certain times. Details of Holmes's life at those times would be helpful but is not required.

Hera asked: "Do you want to practice on mine too?" Sure, if you can provide your birth date. Birth time not required -- the birth time is needed only regarding transits of the natal Moon.

But in the meantime, since frankie2912 has provided his birthdate (December 29, 1986), here is the transit table for transiting Pluto conjunct his natal Sun (obtained by use of the Your Planetary Transits program):

Oops! ... The text output of the program is unreadable when copied here, so here is the screenshot.

How to read transit tables is explained here. This transit table shows that transiting Pluto began a 5° conjunction with natal Sun on February 20, 2009, which ended on May 19, 2009. Another began on December 18, 2009, and ended on September 5, 2010. A third began on September 22, 2010, and this will continue until February 18, 2014, coming close to exact (0°19') on April 1, 2011. Three exact Pluto-Sun conjunctions occur in 2012, on January 14, July 17 (with Pluto retrograde), and November 15. A fourth and final 5° conjunction will begin on June 13, 2014, and continue until December 21, 2014.

This Pluto-Sun transit can be seen graphically in an image which can be made using the Planetary Aspects and Transits program. That image is here.

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crabbypatty
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posted August 03, 2012 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG Hera, an infant, a toddler, even a six year old girl, is the cutest, most innocent thing in the world. Any implication that there could be seduction on the part of that little creature - has to be rejected outright.

Only a man who has no boundaries, no respect for anything, could violate the innocence of a little girl (or boy). I am a very liberal person, and not too much offends me, but I draw the line at sex abuse of children.

Do you see what he did to you? He put you on a path of doubting your own worth... when it was he who was completely depraved.

No wonder he's in denial.

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lilithpluto
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posted August 03, 2012 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a terrible thing that you have gone through... my love goes out to you...

You are a beautiful soul..definately not broken... hope you get through it eventually..

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frankie2912
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posted August 03, 2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realized one of my favorites bands of all time has a song that fits this Pluto transit/transforming perfectly. Here are the lyrics; when I said I was "shedding skin" I was actually thinking of this song

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My shadow's
shedding skin and
I've been picking
Scabs again.
I'm down
Digging through
My old muscles
Looking for a clue.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own confused
And insecure delusions
For a peace to cross me over
Or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in

My shadow.
Change is coming through my shadow.
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own chaotic
And insecure delusions.

I wanna feel the change consume me,
Feel the outside turning in.
I wanna feel the metamorphosis and
Cleansing I've endured within

My shadow
Change is coming.
Now is my time.
Listen to my muscle memory.
Contemplate what I've been clinging to.
Forty-six and two ahead of me.

I choose to live and to
Grow, take and give and to
Move, learn and love and to
Cry, kill and die and to
Be paranoid and to
Lie, hate and fear and to
Do what it takes to move through.

I choose to live and to
Lie, kill and give and to
Die, learn and love and to
Do what it takes to step through.

See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor.
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow.
Forty six and two are just ahead of me.

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violet7887
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posted August 03, 2012 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
Thank you, ueharaa! I hope you pull through alright and arrive on the other side a stronger person. Pluto does bring rewards, we should know this. It is hard as hell, during the Moon transit I felt like I will break in two. I think for me, that transit was a wake-up call. It is when I started to examine my life and made huge transformations since that time. It is also when I joined this forum and that has helped a lot, coming here, talking about it, finding people to relate to who were always very supportive of me..
Right now I am trying to come to terms with the fact that I was most likely sexually abused as an infant by my father. I always suspected but didn't exactly have anything concrete. Lately things became quite clear and there is no room to doubt now. But still don't know how I will get out of this mess. I am very angry, also very hurt and confused and temptation to go back into denial or just to drink myself into oblivion is so damn strong. Have resisted so far, but I still have some self-destructive tendencies. It feels like I will never be alright, like I am broken forever, damaged goods sort of speak.

Hera,

When I was very young, about 6 I was sexually abused by the house help, to which my parents were unaware. This is a topic I think a lot of women and men refrain from talking about or gettting out becasue it is embarassing to express that you were once taken advantage of against your own will. I applaude you for openly acknowledging it becuase this means this is the begining of your releasing process with it. Your realization of that fact that you have learned a new lesson. The lesson is that there are people in the world that are severly inbalanced and they only thrive on power and not love. Yes , I have harnessed deep deep anger towards that feeling of why and If I could see that person again what outcome I would make out of them but maybe these are the same feelings that have made me very strong emotionally. I realized I have a kind of love in my heart that people like that lack and rose above that.

That expereince will make you a stogner person, willing to fight for yourself and all that is right more than ever.

In time, i only wish for you to find your peace with it and realize you are meant to be greater and rise above it and be the strongest you.

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posted August 04, 2012 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slowpoke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
frankie2912,

The transiting Pluto appears to be making favorable aspects to your natal planets for approximately the next twenty years.

Transiting Pluto conjunct your Sun is good, transiting Pluto is no longer conjunct your Mercury, transiting Pluto conjunct your Neptune is an universal aspect, it is shared with most of the people around your age. You will, also, have transiting Pluto sextile your natal Venus and Jupiter during later years.


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planet9
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posted August 04, 2012 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for planet9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by slowpoke:

frankie2912,

The transiting Pluto appears to be making favorable aspects to your natal planets for approximately the next twenty years.

Transiting Pluto conjunct your Sun is good, transiting Pluto is no longer conjunct your Mercury, transiting Pluto conjunct your Neptune is an universal aspect, it is shared with most of the people around your age. You will, also, have transiting Pluto sextile your natal Venus and Jupiter during later years.


I, planet9, note that Pluto remains within a 6° conjunction of frankie's natal Sun until the end of 2014, and this is likely to remain a 'challenging' period for frankie.

Pluto will remain within a 9° conjunction of frankie's natal Neptune until 2015.

The Your Planetary Transits software (mentioned above) gives a large amount of information about personal transits. Here is a link to the output of the program for frankie's Pluto transits for 2011-2032. This has to be viewed with a fixed-width font (such as Courier), but I believe it is displayed OK in most browsers.

These transit tables are for orbs 9°, 5° and 1°. To understand them see How to Read Transit Tables.

These transit tables tell us that there will be (or were):
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Neptune conjunctions in 2011.
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Sun conjunctions in 2012.
Five exact tr.Pluto-na.Pluto sextiles in 2012-2013.
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Jupiter sextiles in 2016-2017.
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Venus sextiles in 2019.
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Mars sextiles in 2020.
Three exact tr.Pluto-na.Pluto squares in 2029-2030.

Pluto will still be in 9° conjunction with frankie's natal Mercury until December of this year, and will remain in 9° conjunction with frankie's natal Sun until 2016, but other than these transits, from now until 2025 it's Pluto sextiles all the way (except for the tr.Pluto-na.Neptune conjunction).

The YPT program can, of course, be used to obtain frankie's personal transits for 2011-2032 for transiting planets other than Pluto. I have not looked at these, so can't comment as to whether they are auspicious or otherwise.

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Hera
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posted August 05, 2012 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by violet7887:
Hera,

When I was very young, about 6 I was sexually abused by the house help, to which my parents were unaware. This is a topic I think a lot of women and men refrain from talking about or gettting out becasue it is embarassing to express that you were once taken advantage of against your own will. I applaude you for openly acknowledging it becuase this means this is the begining of your releasing process with it. Your realization of that fact that you have learned a new lesson. The lesson is that there are people in the world that are severly inbalanced and they only thrive on power and not love. Yes , I have harnessed deep deep anger towards that feeling of why and If I could see that person again what outcome I would make out of them but maybe these are the same feelings that have made me very strong emotionally. I realized I have a kind of love in my heart that people like that lack and rose above that.

That expereince [b]will make you a stogner person, willing to fight for yourself and all that is right more than ever.

In time, i only wish for you to find your peace with it and realize you are meant to be greater and rise above it and be the strongest you. [/B]


Oh.. Violet I am very sorry to hear that
Thank you for your kind words, they mean a lot to me! Indeed not many people talk about this.. not just the abused, but the normal people around them.. It is like everyone wants to brush over this and live in a fairytale land. Like it never happened. I too feel like falling into that trap. For me this is quite recent, I had nightmares about it and have always knew that something bad happened.. but I never fully confronted it. He admitted it partially/indirectly and I connected the rest of the dots.
I hope I will find peace too.. Yesterday I was wondering how people manage to carry on.. It seems such a huge effort to rise above it, like every day is another struggle with it.. do I give in to the pain, the anger, the resentment, the self pity or do I fight it? It never seems to end. I am okay in one day, thinking like a survivor should, then collapse the next. On and on.

Guess this is what Pluto through my 12H really is about.. fighting my inner demons.

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frankie2912
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posted August 05, 2012 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
slowpoke and planet9 thank you for all that info on my transits! the specific dates of exact conjunctions with my Sun definitely do speak of major life changes that i went through at the same times. very creepy, but cool

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affy
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posted December 07, 2012 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for affy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad to know there are people that are getting through Pluto transits with so much determination.. wish I had the strength to overcome it as well

Pluto is transiting through my 12H right now, and although it's not like anything's really happening but I feel SO crushed inside, I'm anxious and fidgety all the time, can't control my temper and I feel like I'm losing it completely.

I'm scared, it's going to touch my stellium.. I've no idea how long I'm going to have to endure it but it's just very very painful. Trying to find reasons to keep me going and to smile.

God bless you'll. It must be tough for all of you.

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posted December 07, 2012 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I must be experiencing Pluto transits differently than other people.

Yes, they were exhausting; some were quite dramatic, but overall honestly I loved them. Such valuable times in my life.

And I have been through
Tr Pluto square Moon
Tr Pluto conjunct Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN and later
Tr PLuto conjunct Sun and Mercury

currently Tr Pluto conjuncts my Venus and squares my Pluto (and had been squaring my MC-IC_axis).


I actually reret Pluto leaving my Venus soon. I liked him there.

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anno_lucis
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posted December 07, 2012 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Pluto transit punched me in the face once. It was awesome.

lol. >>>>

i have tpluto lurking between neptune in third and IC.... and i don't want to talk about it.

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posted October 31, 2013 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not a new topic but I would like to share my experiences with Pluto transits for fellows who are googling to find useful information.

Natal; Asc, sun, mercury, venus in capricorn.
Saturn in the 7th. Also, asc, sun, mercury, venus square Pluto; mars sextile - moon trine Pluto in my natal chart.

Transit; Pluto conjuct sun, ascendant, mercury. I have been experiencing these conjunctions for the last 2 years and I don't have any good news to give. It's brutal. Suicidal. Shedding old skin ? well I am growing bitter and bitter each day and I don't like it. Agony, helplessness, dark thoughts, deep sadness, jealousy, feeling powerless... It's really taking its toll on me.

I am a weed addict. No, this transit is not helping me at all to quit. It makes me wanna try heroin. ( I am 39 by the way ).

Pluto conjunct ascendant; I have not lost very close friends, still have good relations with them but the rest of the party crew no longer in my life. Not because I had quarrels with them, it is because I can't afford night life anymore. Glamour is no longer in my life I no longer go to places I used to ( venues, clubs, music halls..) Don't have a house with seaview any more. Back to parents home..

I really don't know what to do with myself anymore..

All of the people I know are expecting me to do a come back, I have always been a survivor but I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel yet..

Anyway...

I hope something really good comes out of all this..

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vickymadness
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posted October 31, 2013 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is it me or this is so exaggerated?

I experienced sun-pluto square. And now experiencing ASC ruler conjunct pluto. Life is good.

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BellaFenice
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posted October 31, 2013 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having a Pluto conjunct Saturn in 1st house transit right now. I know that feeling!

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BellaFenice
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posted October 31, 2013 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VirgoGuy87:
Anyone went through a Pluto Transit Ascendant before? What was it like? What sort effect would it have?

VG87


I have. It changed my personality for the better. At first it sucked because I went through some horrible experiences. But through it I became a much stronger person. I learned to take my power back and become more assertive and tenacious.

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