posted August 06, 2012 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
venus conjunct ascendant here, i hate having my picture taken.

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Me too, on both. edit: whoops, no it's not. Venus is opposed asc. But I HATE getting my photo taken too.

posted August 06, 2012 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Vanity is a learned behavior not completely inherent. The chart my indicate certain aspects that maybe more prone to vanity but nothing is set in stone.

Lets say a little girl is raised by a mother who enters her daughter in beauty pageants this child has now learned that vanity is important and earns her rewards. She clings to all her gender stereotypes and conforms to the image of what is ideal beauty.

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A little girl that is raised by feminist women who encourage her individuality, and explain to her that beauty is superficial and transient. She later may be confronted with scenarios where she feels alienated among other girls who conform to the beauty standard whereas this girl makes an effort never to look in the mirror constantly nor worry about her appeal to men. This girl happens to represent me and I'm a Leo Sun.

And as women we are taught in this culture to constantly be "viewed" someone is always looking at us, it could be another girl comparing herself to you but more commonly its other men. The Veering stares cause us to constantly as woman to become vain in order to please men.

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posted August 06, 2012 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Good question. I think it's the simple definition you gave that I am thinking of. It's rare to utterly lack any sense of self or concern over your appearance. I'm thinking more in the realm of making an effort to orchestrate yourself to look obviously pretty, sexy, hot, manly, womanly etc in a way that is contrived for effect. It's a real subjective thing to define. I think it's related to feelings about flattery. I'm very uncomfortable receiving or giving flattery. I'd say it originates in the same place in the chart as ideas about vanity.

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posted August 06, 2012 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:

I think that there is a fine line between vanity,confidence and insecurity. It isn't necessarily something that can be defined as the appreciation of flattery because you never necessarily know what exactly is going through a person's mind that would make them feel the need to receive flattery or if they are simply a part of this generation the Scorpio generation of "exhibitionism" where its considered the "social norm" to over share information, pictures, comments etc. Astrologically we can argue any planet is the source of vanity; Venus, because its suppose to represent beauty, partnerships, love= Needing to appear visually appealing to attract a mate or for a person to define their self worth through the charm they possess in a photo. Mercury= This planet controls the nervous system and too much nervous energy of Mercury could cause anxiety therefore they need constant reassurance. Even nit-picking over ones appearance if mercury has a extreme effect on the sun, asc, or moon. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto and Uranus = vanity used as a way to express masculinity, power, independence, daring to dress and look different not necessarily fitting the classic idea of what is beautiful or attractive therefore more interesting in the grotesque or the lack of such traits at one point in your life leading to overcompensation of such traits now.

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Interesting. In my original post, that I edited because it made some people upset the way I said it, I had wondered if there was a generational influence with people who are now in their early 20's that made them more prone to the posing and the sharing of their image in all types of arenas. I had guessed that maybe they shared Pluto in some planet that made them obsessive about appearance but didn't bother to check it out and voila: you just pointed it out!

I am not of that generation so I must lack understanding of their drive around self.

posted August 06, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Interesting. In my original post, that I edited because it made some people upset the way I said it, I had wondered if there was a generational influence with people who are now in their early 20's that made them more prone to the posing and the sharing of their image in all types of arenas. I had guessed that maybe they shared Pluto in some planet that made them obsessive about appearance but didn't bother to check it out and voila: you just pointed it out!

I am not of that generation so I must lack understanding of their drive around self.

I will need to think more about why I am averse to this kind of exhibitive type of behaviour to understand my particular social and astrological influences. It's very interesting. I don't lack a desire to express myself visually, but have always been very careful to make it a very personal and individual process that balances expressing my individuality with being humble and quiet about it. A sort of duality. I have Uranus in Libra in the 9th. I'd be interested to compare with someone else with Pluto and Uranus in Libra to see if we share ideas on this topic.

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posted August 06, 2012 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Actually I did see your original post mentioning the generational example. However I don't necessarily think its only a Pluto in Scorpio generational issue because there are People born in the Pluto in Libra generation that also commit the same over-sharing quality I have seen it all over my facebook page. Personally I am a bit apprehensive overly sharing personal aspects of my life on fb and there are numbers of times when I post a picture and then seconds later I delete it thinking do I really want the entire world to see a window into my life even if its something irrelevant. Again I don't think this over-sharing quality is necessarily based on vanity rather its centered around a social anxiety. Ex. Instagram, personally I don't understand the point of posting only pictures for the sake of just posting them, but I see it as people don't believe you engaging in such and such event, activity or you look this way or feel this way without proof because nowadays we have the ability to show friends, family, co-workers, lovers etc exactly what we are doing and where we are at that exact moment because we live in such a technological age. For some people if they can't provide proof that they are doing XYZ then they believe it didn't happen which defies logic but this is the way some people think and feel today.

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I feel like we should be having a tea and discussing this

I'd go back to what Vertiver said about external influence. It's a rampant cultural idea now for everyone to broadcast their own lives like an ongoing reality show. I guess it's natural for young people to incorporate this into their psyche and for older people with that propensity to join in. Maybe the Pluto in Scorpio helps to facilitate this into a widespread new reality? I agree with you though. Certainly it's not the only factor, maybe just part of the puzzle. One more sign that I'm getting older. Like Grandpa said on the Simpsons:

Grandpa: "I used to be with IT but then they changed what IT was. Now what I'm with isn't IT, and what's IT seems scary and weird. It'll happen to YOU!"

posted August 07, 2012 06:14 AM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Oh you know what, here's an edit. I don't want to start controversy. I'll keep the question simple. What governs vanity? I have an aversion to it.

Asc in cap. venus in cap in 1H. Virgo moon. Is that the cause?

It can't all be Leo related. What in a chart indicates wild vanity and what indicates the opposite?

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Venus. Venus sigil = hand mirror or 'vanity' mirror. So Venus prominent, emphasized with parallels and conjunctions.

However, vanity is not something that is caused by such planets, but comes from contemplating your wonderfulness with an absence of contemplating others' wonderfulness.

Saturn would be the opposite, measuring oneself by what is/has been done, or where one falls short of perfection.

posted August 07, 2012 07:33 AM            

soul vanity

posted August 07, 2012 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Lol this thread is such a typical result of our highest vanity 'RELIGION'!

soul vanity

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posted August 07, 2012 11:10 AM            

I'm told I l0ok arrogant and vain. But when people get talking to me, their opini0ns change. I do admire (and criticize) myself in the mirror but I'm n0t vocal about my features n0r do I put any0ne down.

My vain exs ,

Ex 1 -
Sun c0nj m0on in libra.
Venus in virgo, 2h.
Leo asc, leo Jupiter in the 1st.

Ex 2 -
Cap Sun.
Aqua Venus c0nj M0on.
Libra asc c0nj Jupiter. Both trine Ven/Moon.

Ex 3 -
T-SQ.
Aries Venus, Libra Jupiter, Cancer Mars, Capricorn Ura/nept.

Ascendant unkn0wn.
But based on his features and his career choice(acting), he's either a cancer or a libra asc.

friend -
Virgo Sun/Merc
Aqua Moon
Aqua asc c0nj Saturn
Leo Venus in his 7th
nn0de in 10th.