posted August 15, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
@Doux Rêve: but that's what i am trying to understand myself. didnt yoko and lennon have a venus opp saturn in their composite. yet it worked out. Why does Saturn act cold is what i am trying to udnerstand even if venus is loving.

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Same here, I don't get why they are so cold.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Fear.

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Fear of *what*?
Why can't they just *talk* things out or even give a tiny bit of explanation?

Is Saturn afraid to hurt the other person because they actually don't have the same feelings and are afraid of confrontation, or is it because they are afraid of getting hurt themselves? I guess that's not a question that can be answered only with Saturn in mind, but if there are indicators for attraction, what the heck is wrong? I just really don't get the Saturn person's perspective.

posted August 15, 2012 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by brightwhites:
I have a double whammy Saturn sq. Venus with my boyfriend, so we both get to be Saturn sometimes. However, we also have this natally so I guess it's pretty "natural."

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posted August 15, 2012 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
THank you, Crissy =) Yes, he does have me take the lead a lot. I'm going to try new approaches to bring him out of that shell more =)

Would Moon/Saturn contacts be as challenging as Venus/Saturn? His Moon squares my Saturn, My Moon trines his in synastry. Hmmmm I wonder if Saturn is fearful, but not sure of what. Venus does feel like the fun is blown out by a cold wind. Not sure what the Moon contacts would be...feeling emotionally repressed by Saturn?

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posted August 15, 2012 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by crissyx89:
Do you feel that having it natally makes Saturn/Venus easier to handle?I never read or heard anything about couples with it natally in a relationship.I've seen couples with this Saturn Square/Venus DW crumble.Difference is none of them had this natally.

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We are a very affectionate couple, despite this double whammy! He is head over heels for me and I am his biggest turn-on; even though I don't exactly feel the same, I don't feel like I can leave him! However, Saturn sq. Venus isn't our only Saturn problem in the relationship. We have opposing Saturns, Saturn sq. Moon, Saturn opp. Moon, Saturn sq. Pluto. Our moons are also squared and there is a tight Venus/Saturn conjunction in our composite. I kind of feel like Saturn sq. Venus is the least of my worries. :P

posted August 15, 2012 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by brightwhites:
We are a very affectionate couple, despite this double whammy! He is head over heels for me and I am his biggest turn-on; even though I don't exactly feel the same, I don't feel like I can leave him! However, Saturn sq. Venus isn't our only Saturn problem in the relationship. We have opposing Saturns, Saturn sq. Moon, Saturn opp. Moon, Saturn sq. Pluto. Our moons are also squared and there is a tight Venus/Saturn conjunction in our composite. I kind of feel like Saturn sq. Venus is the least of my worries. :P

edit: So to answer your question. Yes, I believe so! There is just so much Saturn going on, I'm not 100%.

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posted November 20, 2013 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
And I wonder WHY is it that the Saturn person acts so cold and "irrational"? I

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Fear. Especially that the other person might get through the defenses and discover all that in him that Saturn considers to be "insufficient".

posted November 20, 2013 09:33 AM            

Dang, I had completely forgotten about this.

Thanks for bumping, lurker Ceri.

How come I didn't even comment on this absolutely wonderful post, filled with wisdom and hope?! *loses herself in confusion*

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It depends on what is happening. If you are being abused - Leave! "Karma" is never a reason to let someone engage in that. In fact, that would be the lesson for an abused person - self-respect, self-love.

If the relationship is not mentally or physically abusive then you may be able to work things out.

The only real lesson is LOVE. So no, you are never put through the ringer only to be left alone. You get the love that you feel/act that you deserve.

This is one of the MOST important lessons on a practical level. A partner who loves and appreciates you as you are is one of the most important and helpful things in life. It is an extension of your Love for yourself. The Universe is not designed in any way to prevent you from experiencing Love. In fact, it has an interest in bringing it about and will if you communicate that. Love is Creative energy and that is the nature of life and the entire cosmos.

You get very different results when you create love on a plane of consciousness (alpha brain waves, creative zone, visualization) than if you hope, wish and just choose from what shows up or based on purely physical attraction. Several years ago I hit rock bottom with no relationships at all through my mid-30s. I was suffocating from lack of affection and companionship and literally felt as if I was dying from being emotionally dried up. So I changed the signal I put out and did some healing on myself - with help. Now I'm in a completely different city/state, married (1 year now) and very happy.

You can change things. Better to stay where you are and change yourself on the inside, assuming that you are not being abused. Sometimes what happens when you grow and become happier is that the other person leaves. Not necessarily what you are aiming for, I know.

We actually have more control in relationships than we normally acknowledge. We control our own part in them. I think the Kryon material has some excellent ideas on this topic.

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I need to print this and read it everyday... seriously.