posted August 12, 2012 05:44 AM            

Is it possible to turn the negative energy into something positive or is it not even worth trying?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

posted August 12, 2012 05:53 AM            

Part of the healing process will be painful, it will be. When you think about it, you are confronting scars and wounds that are painful, as you are working to knit those tears and holes back together.

posted August 12, 2012 06:18 AM            

i think that it depends on the karma that needs to be worked out. sometimes a relationship does not end because it could take an entire lifetime to straighten out, if it can even be resolved in this one.

as the above poster has stated, i also strongly stand by the idea of trying no matter the odds. if both people truly want to make it work, it will work regardless of the planetary alignments. free will trumps astrology any day. this is not to say that astrology is obsolete, but rather that it provides a guide to how something could manifest. and when you are aware of patterns, you are empowered to go against the grain so to speak. so entering a relationship with a fatalistic attitude eventually brings about a self-fulfilling prophecy.

posted August 12, 2012 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
What connections are karmic? Saturn, vertex, nn?

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posted August 12, 2012 06:39 AM            

I think NN and Vertex connections aren't that painful, although very important. And I kind of associate them with more positive energies that are easier to work with.. I may be wrong.

So far, personally, I think hard aspects to Saturn = lots of karma, very painful and usually bad outcome.

What I've noticed is that one person, the planet person from what I've seen, tries to make things work and reaches out to the Saturn person, but the Saturn person acts like a total a**. I've seen it way too many times! And I wonder WHY is it that the Saturn person acts so cold and "irrational"? I guess that's what karma is about, you act in ways that may not be very conscious.

posted August 12, 2012 08:47 PM            

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Karmic relationships (in the general sense) are usually quite negative and filled with pain and frustration.. and I wonder: is it actually possible to "fix" or "heal" such connections, at all? Or is it all doomed, "destined" to only be a hard experience that's supposed to teach you something and then you're left alone?

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posted August 13, 2012 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
If Neptune is involved, yes.

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That's very interesting. Why Neptune? Is it because it rules the spiritual realm of understanding, selflessness, merging and surrender?

posted August 13, 2012 12:29 PM            

If the relationship is not mentally or physically abusive then you may be able to work things out.

The only real lesson is LOVE. So no, you are never put through the ringer only to be left alone. You get the love that you feel/act that you deserve.

This is one of the MOST important lessons on a practical level. A partner who loves and appreciates you as you are is one of the most important and helpful things in life. It is an extension of your Love for yourself. The Universe is not designed in any way to prevent you from experiencing Love. In fact, it has an interest in bringing it about and will if you communicate that. Love is Creative energy and that is the nature of life and the entire cosmos.

You get very different results when you create love on a plane of consciousness (alpha brain waves, creative zone, visualization) than if you hope, wish and just choose from what shows up or based on purely physical attraction. Several years ago I hit rock bottom with no relationships at all through my mid-30s. I was suffocating from lack of affection and companionship and literally felt as if I was dying from being emotionally dried up. So I changed the signal I put out and did some healing on myself - with help. Now I'm in a completely different city/state, married (1 year now) and very happy.

You can change things. Better to stay where you are and change yourself on the inside, assuming that you are not being abused. Sometimes what happens when you grow and become happier is that the other person leaves. Not necessarily what you are aiming for, I know.

posted August 14, 2012 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
wonder WHY is it that the Saturn person acts so cold and "irrational"?

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Fear.

Oh and actually Saturn aspects do not need to be that negative; I haven´t seen one single relationship standing the test of time without at least one tight Saturn aspect to a personal planet. Granted though, if all you have is Saturn of one person squaring and opposing Sun, Moon, aSC and Venus of the other person,t hat might really suck.

Oh yes, and I totally agree with the previous poster.

posted August 14, 2012 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
but not sure if the Karma between us is now cleared and it is time to move on.

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posted August 14, 2012 01:30 PM            

In one way or another, there is constant heaviness. Even if we are getting along and having fun, there is the old rift in the background, haunting us. Sometimes I just get fed up with difficulty, want to throw it out the window, want to see what life is like when things putter along happily. I know he does, too. I don't blame him.

Strangely, perhaps, I like the challenge of trying to figure my way out of this mess (not talking about divorce here, but about issues of self-love, clarification of my priorities, etc.) It's worthwhile. I feel like Houdini working to master escape from various traps, increasing flexibility and cunning in the process.

But I'm really in the thick of it right now.

posted August 14, 2012 04:02 PM            

I have saturn and moon conjunct north node of a woman I've casually dated with the moon being closer. We have saturn square mars in the composite and her saturn squares my moon and we both have saturn opposite juno.

We also have crazy mars/venus connections although they are more focued on her mars and my venus.

We seem to have incredible romance and she's told me that she's had the best dates she's ever had with me but we seem almost blocked to go beyond a casual yet intense relationship.

The saturn juno opposition is 3rd (Juno) and ninth house (saturn) for both of us.

posted August 14, 2012 09:01 PM            

So funny, I was discussing w my best friend and she said "you two interact like an elderly retired couple, hard to believe still in young adulthood. You are colorful, and he brings you down to a black/white world. Free yourself, with or without him & bring back color into your life.". So true.

posted August 14, 2012 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Thank you for your insight, C. That is exactly what Im trying to figure out, if my union still has a purpose, if still love him as more than a friend/companion.

So funny, I was discussing w my best friend and she said "you two interact like an elderly retired couple, hard to believe still in young adulthood. You are colorful, and he brings you down to a black/white world. Free yourself, with or without him & bring back color into your life.". So true.

He is very Saturn & simple, happy w a good job & stable home life. No passion, no zest, no complications. Nothing wrong w this, just Im not truly content and myself without passion and color in my life. So many people rave to me, that I should be so grateful to have a good husband/ father to my children, as there are so few good men in the world. I do appreciate all he does/is and always will, but still feel like my soul essence is restrained within this.

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With all that Saturn in him may be hard for him to loosen up sometimes.Maybe y'all can take a salsa or ballroom dancing class together.Alone time without the kids lingerie wine,Little things bring back the fun excitement.

posted August 14, 2012 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Strangely, perhaps, I like the challenge of trying to figure my way out of this mess (not talking about divorce here, but about issues of self-love, clarification of my priorities, etc.) It's worthwhile. I feel like Houdini working to master escape from various traps, increasing flexibility and cunning in the process.

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Oooh, very interesting way to put it.

posted August 15, 2012 04:01 AM            

his Saturn semisquare her Sun exact
his Saturn conjunct her Venus exact
his SAturn conjunct her Mars

her Saturn trine his Sun
her Saturn trine his Venus widely
her Saturn conjunct his Mars exact
her Saurn trine his Jupiter
her Saturn conjunct his SN exact

Well, a lot of Saturn, and they have been married for nearly 40 years. Checking this though it is noteable, that these aspects are on the harmonious side.

My best friend and her husband (married for 7 years, together for about 12 years)

her Saturn quinkunx his Sun
her Saturn opposite his Moon
her Saturn square his MC

his Saturn sextile her Jupiter exact
his Saturn square her NN
his SAturn square her Chiron exact

and my best friend and me also have one of the most dreaded Saturn aspects (we have been friends for over 20 years)

her Saturn sesisquare my Sun exact
her Saturn opposite my Moon widely
her Saturn sesisquare my Mercury
her Saturn quinkunx my Jupiter exact
her Saturn trine my NN
her Saturn trine my ASC

my Saturn sextile her Sun
my Saturn square her Moon exact
my SAturn square her Venus widely
my Saturn square her Mars widely
my Saturn semisquare her Jupiter
my Saturn conjunct her ASC widely

(wide aspects are those between 5°-6°)

and with another very good friend; we met online, and usually these friendships do not last much longer than beyond the first year, but in our case we`ve been friends for 8 or 9 years)

her Saturn conjunct my Moon

my Saturn quinkunx her Sun
my Saturn opposite her Mercury
my SAturn trine her Jupiter exact
my Saturn conjunct her ASC

In my case, I seem to need the challenging aspects of Saturn to Sun or Moon (they also occur in most of the synastries with performers, I have a long lasting admiration for.)

Anyway I think it might be easier to handle challenging SAturn aspects in friendships, because you don`t have to live together.