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Junethird
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posted August 15, 2012 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive been reading up on all my many natal retrograde planets and the one that caught my attention is my saturn retro (libra6H)

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For a person with Saturn retrograde in the natal chart, intimacy fears are enormous. They may have an easy time connecting with others (depending on other factors in their chart) and could be very friendly and seemingly outgoing, but if you take a closer look you will soon realize that the Saturn retrograde person gets along fabulously with strangers or ‘new’ friends but tends to shut off - castrate - those who grow to love him or her or anyone who gets close enough to notice the fine cracks in the façade the native presents to others. There is a very tender and vulnerable emotional infant lurking within the Saturn retrograde native…this may be a very small aspect of the soul, or it could be a huge part of the personality, but beneath the strongly contained ego that appears to have it all together, there is a child wanting to be loved for who he or she is… an infant wanting to be nurtured and cherished and most of all, understood and appreciated.  The fear of not being good enough, not being what is expected, of being weak and vulnerable to others or worse, superseded or totally unneeded by anyone, drives the Soul with Saturn retrograde deeper and deeper into a cocoon of their own making…an isolated and lonely place to be, a stranger in the shadows watching others and wondering why he (or she) feels so horribly alone.

Is that why when iam in faced in a position to declare my feelings, i get all tongued tied ( strange for a mercury in gemini), nervous and very anxious... i guess for lack of better words, a case of cold feet?

Now my natal ASC is in taurus and moon is in cancer and it needs and wants a deep, stable secure relationship so this "comittment phobia" is more a subconsious, skimming the surface push pull?

A phantom fear sitting on my shoulder ready to run and dissappear when things go wrong/right or the spotlight is on my persona?

I guess my sun in gemini would add to the superficial, judge a book by its cover sorta thing?

I would rather subconsciously attract or be attracted to a deeply flawed imdividual in order to mask/hide my own imperfections and intimacy fears and blame it on him for his "lack" of will?!

This is just terrible... I never saw myself like this but at the same time it explains why when confronted with "do you love me" and "marriage" I hesitated and pulled the brakes even tho it is what i want?

http://www.throughnightsfire.com/LoveandSaturnRetrograde.html

Notable retrograde mentions:
Mercury
Jupiter
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto

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posted August 15, 2012 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Usually outer planets in retrograde are generational so your not the only one feeling it.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really think you can break it. I have Saturn Retro, also. Mine is in Scorpio and in the 2nd house.
Do you have any other Retros? 7th Guardian got me thinking about them. I am fascinated by them. I think they work very differently than direct planets.
I have Saturn, Mercury and Neptune. I like Neptune and Mercury, but don't like Saturn

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posted August 15, 2012 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my, yes... Its just very interesting for me. I never saw myself like this it kinda makes sense and it doesnt... How do you feel your saturn?

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posted August 15, 2012 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crissyx89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This really sounds like Venus/Saturn hard aspect in the natal chart.How is Saturn in your natal?

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Venus/Square Saturn Natal Giving and receiving love are not flowing and natural for people born with Venus in hard aspect to Saturn. Blockages are experienced, and love relationships may be a source of frustration as a result, until the natives learn to love themselves, and to feel worthy of love from others. Duty is often associated with love, and some might find themselves stuck in a loveless marriage, for example. Especially in youth, these people might feel awkward in some social situations, unsure of how to express affections, and fearful of rejection. Problematic Saturn positions often get better with age, experience, and practice, however! In its more negative expression, some people with this position learn to scheme in order to get what they want from a partner, or they might treat partnerships as if they were businesses.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't hate my Saturn, I like that it does make so career driven but I do have a tenacity of using work/school as a reason to distance myself from my friends and family.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh lets not bring venus into this lol... Mine is in detriment aries 12H.

My other retro planets are in mercury, jupiter, Uranus, neptune and pluto.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
I don't hate my Saturn, I like that it does make so career driven but I do have a tenacity of using work/school as a reason to distance myself from my friends and family.

Interesting... I dont have that urge... My career means little to me. Its more to keep me busy, then again there has not been any hard roadblocks in that area for me. So i guess i take it for granted.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Oh my, yes... Its just very interesting for me. I never saw myself like this it kinda makes sense and it doesnt... How do you feel your saturn?

Well, it is self doubt and being too hard on myself, such that I ride myself when I am not perfect

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posted August 15, 2012 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, it is self doubt and being too hard on myself, such that I ride myself when I am not perfect

Yes i can def relate to that Ami. I hate making mistakes... And beat myself up for slight slip ups. Altho, iam quick to forgive others for their own imperfections...

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posted August 15, 2012 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crissyx89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Oh lets not bring venus into this lol... Mine is in detriment aries 12H.

OOO No were going there now LOL!!!

Saturn in Libra, Aries in Venus I honestly think this explains intimacy fears.Then along with Venus in the 12 house.

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posted August 15, 2012 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crissyx89:
OOO No were going there now LOL!!!

Saturn in Libra, Aries in Venus I honestly think this explains intimacy fears.Then along with Venus in the 12 house.


Lol aspect wise iam dead in the water... Mars in libra too But on its own... Saturn retro is very influential. I think iam starting to see it affect alot of areas outside of love i think.... And here i was blaming him and his issues. No wonder he just told me to say what i want, be direct and clear and maybe we can have something tangible. And now iam all nervous and scared. Ugh, iam hopless

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posted August 15, 2012 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
saturn in scorpio retro, chiron h8. u hafta throw yourself into these situations because sex, love, intimacy is awesome. also saturn loosens it's grip with age..

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posted August 15, 2012 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
saturn in scorpio retro, chiron h8. u hafta throw yourself into these situations because sex, love, intimacy is awesome. also saturn loosens it's grip with age..

Yes, so true. My moon wants that so very much. I think i understand alot of things with my ex now. He also has saturn retrograde and his venus in leo didnt help... We just blamed each other. Now my current love doesnt have any retro planets other than retro chiron in taurus which conjuncts my own direct chiron (taurus)

How do you feel your retro chiron?

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posted August 15, 2012 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Yes i can def relate to that Ami. I hate making mistakes... And beat myself up for slight slip ups. Altho, iam quick to forgive others for their own imperfections...

Yes, which house is your Saturn in?

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posted August 15, 2012 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, which house is your Saturn in?

Libra 6H not a very exciting placement... You can also include mars and pluto.

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posted August 15, 2012 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Interesting... I dont have that urge... My career means little to me. Its more to keep me busy, then again there has not been any hard roadblocks in that area for me. So i guess i take it for granted.

Natally I have Saturn Opposite my Sun and Jupiter that's probably why.

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posted August 15, 2012 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Natally I have Saturn Opposite my Sun and Jupiter that's probably why.

Yes.. Saturn trines my sun in gemini. Makes perfect sense now

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posted August 15, 2012 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crissyx89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Lol aspect wise iam dead in the water... Mars in libra too But on its own... Saturn retro is very influential. I think iam starting to see it affect alot of areas outside of love i think.... And here i was blaming him and his issues. No wonder he just told me to say what i want, be direct and clear and maybe we can have something tangible. And now iam all nervous and scared. Ugh, iam hopless

That's weird You have a Venus in Aries which means very direct and straight forward in love matters.I think this has alot to do with your natal Saturn in opposition with your Venus.Then on top of that Saturn retrograde.I have Saturn Retro as well and it ain't easy having all that Saturn.Then I see your Venus is square your moon in cancer.So I can see why you feel so conflicted.

Baby steps just focus on more confidence in your words when you communicate with others..

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posted August 15, 2012 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Libra 6H not a very exciting placement... You can also include mars and pluto.


Do you feel the most self doubt either in doing practical service to others or in health?

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posted August 15, 2012 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's weird You have a Venus in Aries which means very direct and straight forward in love matters.I think this has alot to do with your natal Saturn in opposition with your Venus.Then on top of that Saturn retrograde.I have Saturn Retro as well and it ain't easy having all that Saturn.Then I see your Venus is square your moon in cancer.So I can see why you feel so conflicted.

Baby steps just focus on more confidence in your words when you communicate with others..


Thats good food for thought. Thank you!!

Yes venus in aries is great to lure and catch your prey lol we go after the apple of our eye without hesitation... I have no problem asking a guy out or dropping obvious clues about coffee/dinner etc iam very bad at playing hard to get when iam interested in someone lol but once i have him in my clutches i crumble... I guess sabotage is a better word. Having it fall in my 12H paralyzes me going forward to cement a relationship... Most of my bfs have not labeled our relationship and gone with the flow. The official labelling, defining a relationship/status is my achilles heal ... This is all very interesting. I was just telling my mother how i was so surprised that i was the one that got cold feet... When i thought it would be more him than i. Mmmm... Its interesting that all my marriage predictions are later in life... 36/38. Lots to think about!!!

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posted August 15, 2012 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do you feel the most self doubt either in doing practical service to others or in health?

No. I dont really doubt my abilities Just the basics anxiety fears. But then again iam a stickler for following the rules to a "T" so i guess you can say rigid when i have instructions and if iam in charge everything will be done as written. I guess rules do the thinking and take the responsability from myself.

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posted August 15, 2012 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...but if you take a closer look you will soon realize that the Saturn retrograde person gets along fabulously with strangers or ‘new’ friends but tends to shut off - castrate - those who grow to love him or her or anyone who gets close enough to notice the fine cracks in the façade the native presents to others.

I have the exact opposite issue. I'm really stand offish to new people and have problems with personal space and trusting new people and I have Saturn RX in the 1st.

Are you sure there isn't anything else in your chart that would point to this?

If anything if you have Saturn in the 6th, than working relations would be the most challenging for you.

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posted August 15, 2012 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have the exact opposite issue. I'm really stand offish to new people and have problems with personal space and trusting new people and I have Saturn RX in the 1st.

Are you sure there isn't anything else in your chart that would point to this?

If anything if you have Saturn in the 6th, than working relations would be the most challenging for you.


Not really... I work alone and left to my own devices... Usually My regular contact is my visual artist... But nobody likes it when iam in charge tho I crack the whip hard and can be very bossy. I dont play favoratism and recognize the hard workers first above the popular ones lol Then again they keep their opinions to themselves because we get the job done in half the time and the accolades are worth the extra preassure i extend. So in the end, for the most part everyone is happy I also dont care to socialize with my co workers much. Other than a few pleasantries and work related social functions, I keep to myself...

Edit: no wonder everyone has been extra sweet to me. My new promotion puts me in charge after my boss lol no one is late on my watch

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posted August 15, 2012 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Junethird:
Yes, so true. My moon wants that so very much. I think i understand alot of things with my ex now. He also has saturn retrograde and his venus in leo didnt help... We just blamed each other. Now my current love doesnt have any retro planets other than retro chiron in taurus which conjuncts my own direct chiron (taurus)

How do you feel your retro chiron?


not sure if my chiron is retro but i do have 6 retro planets.

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