posted August 17, 2012 09:15 AM            

Some respected Astrologers shirk when they see planets in the 12th house. They shirk with empathy for the person who must deal with planets placed here. The astrological chart is the wheel of life. It goes from birth to death. The 12th house represents death. As such, the person is not your typical earth bound person occupied with earth bound pursuits. Some part of that person lives in the next dimension. As you can imagine, it makes the sphere of life represented by the 12th house planet harder. For example, if Venus, the planet of love, is in the 12th house, love comes harder for this person. This person may see other people falling in love, seemingly effortlessly, and wonder “Why, me? why is it so hard for me?” Venus in the 12th house wants love, as much as any other Venus, or person, but the 12th house makes Venus not in step with the ways of the world, almost awkward and self doubting. If one has Mars in the 12th house, one’s anger and drive may turn inward to such a degree that the person may boil with anger, but be afraid to express it. This would be a classic aspect for passive-aggression. The Sun in the 12th may make one insecure about shining one’s light, standing out and standing up for one’s unique identity. Saturn in the 12th may want to join in a group, but will wait on the sidelines, for fear of rejection. Pluto in the 12th may push his primal emotions in to the realm of fantasy and be driven by sexual fantasies that seem to propel him to places he does not wish to go. Uranus in the 12th house may, similarly, have fetishes and unusual ways that may cause him to feel he is different in a way that may feel hopeless. Jupiter in the 12th house may make the person feel as if luck is elusive. Other people seem to get all the breaks while he watches from the sidelines. Jupiter in the 12th may protect the person from near miss accidents . It is called the Guardian Angel placement. Neptune is the easiest planet to have in the 12th house, but it is not easy. No 12th house placement is. This person may be psychic. I have this.

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posted August 17, 2012 09:16 AM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted August 17, 2012 09:17 AM            

The Sun is our most dominant part. It is our identity, our ego, what we know as our “self”. In an emotionally healthy person, the Sun sign will be the strongest. If the moon or Ascendant is dominant, something is out of balance. That is why someone with little astrological knowledge can pick out sun signs. All people need to shine. We need to express ourselves, as surely as we need to eat . One would not literally die, if one’s self were dormant, but something of import would die. The 12th house sun cannot shine as the other house’s Suns. It is the hardest placement for the Sun, as the 12th house opens to the next dimension. The Sun is discrete. For a person to be emotionally strong, his identity has to be separate from others. The 12th house is a dissolution of boundaries. As such, the Sun does not want to do what all Suns were made to do, individuate.

The 12th house Sun will want to retire, rather than put himself on center stage. He will hold back. If there are a group of children playing, the 12th house Sun will pretend he does not care to join, but he does. This Sun wavers between going back and going forward. He may be interested in all things mystical and spiritual. He may want to work in out of the way places such as prisons or hospices. Perhaps, he does shine, but it is in a different way. He may be the most spiritual Sun, house placement wise. As such, he will be different but he needs to learn to celebrate these differences, as the hardest aspects can be better made for service to others, as we are forced to climb to overcome. As such, we have a depth and a humility that the easier chart could never know.

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posted August 17, 2012 09:18 AM            

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posted August 17, 2012 12:11 PM            

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The astrological chart is the wheel of life. It goes from birth to death. The 12th house represents death.

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...it doesn't go from birth to death - if the First House (ASC/Rising sign) is representative for "the Ego/self" - the 12'th house represents the suppression of the Ego/self... that's why is described as a prison, a hospital - the house of self-undoing (which is opposite to self)...

The 8th house is representative for death... rebirth and our sexual nature...

posted August 17, 2012 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Edgar Allan Poe seems to fit the description... i know some people with this placements and "it's horror" - but i prefer to be discrete about it... "this psychological gift (if i can call it like that)" comes with a responsibility...

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posted August 17, 2012 12:37 PM            

Anyway, I don't mind if people disagree with me, as long as they are respectful

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posted August 17, 2012 12:44 PM            

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posted August 17, 2012 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Great stuff Ami!

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Thank you Jerry
You are such an encourager

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posted August 17, 2012 01:22 PM            

I have the Sun & Mercury in the 12th, Neptune on the cusp of the 12th/1st conj Asc. I have always felt a sense of not being quite of this world, while living in it.

I must say, this was more challenging in my childhood as it brought out deep shyness which is contrary to my Sag Sun. I do have a Pisces Moon, which probably contributed to the feeling of being ackward in my own skin and afraid to express my true self.

During my 20's, transit Pluto in Sag totally brought me to reinvent myself and the deep life changes that came along helped me release myself. I can now honetly say that I am veyr comfrotable being myself, and am fond of being a 12th houser.

posted August 17, 2012 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Careful with any Poe chart. It's been said that author Rufus Griswold altered much of Poe's life story and even birth information in his obituary to defame him in an attempt to get back at him for a scathing review Poe once gave him.

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I haven't checked any of Poe's charts but i know Poe - from his writings...

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Mars in the 12th would be really hard. Is it in Cancer, too? That would exacerbate the effect.
Do you have a really hard time expressing anger?

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At birth was in Gemini - but now i'm 29 and the progressed Sun moves to Cancer...and so does Mars...

Well, this describes pretty good what is like to have Mars in house 12: http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.ro/2011/01/mars-in-12th-house-repressed-rage.html - and it also gives advices on how to handle it... i already reached those conclusions on my own, those with Sun 12 house - have an inclination towards self-analyze, which was positive in that context - but sometimes we over-think to much and we dabble with fictional situations/emotions that don't fit the reality...

- we see emotions in others (which seem appropriate for a specif circumstance) - yet if we talk about it with the person in question... we might realize that "they never felt like that" not just then... never... or at least not so intense...for example: we might "cry with them" for a situation they're in... and latter we realize that they weren't that sad and we were the only ones crying... but that's mostly a cancer related thing - being in ASC and intensified by the house 12 placement...

posted August 17, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you Jerry
You are such an encourager

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posted August 17, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
12th House Planets
By amiann | Published: December 14, 2011 |
Jupiter in the 12th house may make the person feel as if luck is elusive. Other people seem to get all the breaks while he watches from the sidelines. Jupiter in the 12th may protect the person from near miss accidents . It is called the Guardian Angel placement.

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Would this play out similarly to synastry? My Jupiter is in my husbands 12th. How would this be interpreted??

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posted January 21, 2015 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What Do I Do if I Have 12th House Planets?

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posted January 21, 2015 11:22 AM              

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Originally posted by LeoMars:
You need to learn to shut your mouth first you wretch.

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Whoa, dude, is that really necessary?
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Anyways, 7thGuardian, you've got the wheel wrong. It does go from life to death. The 12th house is the end, death. The 8th is other people's possessions, relationships domain. It is the most misunderstood house for sure. The 1st is the house of self.

Read this. http://astrolibrary.org/houses/

posted October 25, 2015 09:55 PM            

It's right here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000571.html

posted October 26, 2015 06:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Whoa, dude, is that really necessary?
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Anyways, 7thGuardian, you've got the wheel wrong. It does go from life to death. The 12th house is the end, death. The 8th is other people's possessions, relationships domain. It is the most misunderstood house for sure. The 1st is the house of self.

Read this. http://astrolibrary.org/houses/

Excellent articles, Ami. I relate very much with what's been shared. Thank you for bumping the thread, LeoMars

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This is a good point actually.
Didn't check the link out
I may be one of only a few but I see it like this. 7th is the other, the partner. (Not necessarily the sign, but the qualities of that sign).
8th is sort of a virtual death. It's the death of self. The death of individual as you join up with your partner and their things become yours and your things become theirs. (Shared resources)
Where you no longer only have yourself to think of and care for. It's where two join to become one. Resources are put together (personal or business).
Where your bodies join (sex). It's the death of... I guess your identity in a way as you are reborn a part of someone else.

posted October 26, 2015 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/232608.html

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