posted August 20, 2012 01:22 PM            

As i mentioned in the other topic - i won't bother with you anymore - but if you stalk me and keep attacking my comments - I'll remind you that "I'm not here to please you" and acting like a tyrant (demanding obedience) doesn't help much in a virtual world... unless you're a Moderator - but with such attitude it's almost impossible to achieve that status... on the other hand - you might get banned by one.

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On topic - there is a evil star in Astrology... which is not meant to teach you anything - it's just evil... and those that fall under... are either victims or executioners... starting with those born between 14 -> 18 May.

posted August 20, 2012 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
what aspects would indicate suicidal tendencies in a natal chart?

i often find myself having suicidal thoughts i never say then to anybody but i really feel like life is not worth the trouble sometimes . i try to look on the brightside but the dark comes creeeping in , i wonder if everyone is like this or is it just me ?

the only reason i think this could be found in my natal chart is because since i was maybe 10 i've felt this way but the reasons i would feel suicidal have changed along with me .

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I think that to some extent it is normal. What would help me is to have someone to talk to. It can just be a friend or even a penpal on here via email. Dont be afraid to reach out

posted August 20, 2012 04:45 PM            

This is a really, really sensitive topic and everyone - based on their own internal, life and family experiences - is going to have a different view on it.

I'm a psychotherapist and the first thing I would like to say is that contemplating the nature of death is one thing. Going through a brief period of depression where you find living difficult or somewhat pointless is another thing. Living in a state of constant depression is yet another thing. The latter two should be addressed (in some way) because being somewhat depressed *can* lead to a deeper depression - though not always. However, being depressed is a signal that something is not balanced within yourself. And being severely and/or consistently depressed is likewise a far more serious signal that something within you requires attention. Living with that kind of pain everyday is ridiculously hard.

Having said all that, I'm not here to try and prop up the field of psychotherapy. In fact, andstuff's experience is a good example of finding a therapist who is not the right fit for you - kind of like dating someone who just doesn't 'get' you. And as 7th Guardian mentioned, there are different types of therapists - those who psychoanalyze and give you drugs, those who work with your cognition and those who work with your feelings - sometimes they are interlinked.

The last thing I'm going to say about therapy is that I do care about my clients. I care a lot. It's not about the paycheck for me (however I am a person who still has to live and pay bills too), but I have seen therapists in the past who are not so present so again it comes down to finding the right person - which means being a part of the process.

I can speak from both sides of this discussion. I've been on both ends of this spectrum - the really dark and the really light; the client and the therapist. I can relate to having my family ignore my issues (they still do ) but that eventually taught me to take hold of my own life and seek out assistance elsewhere. It sucks to feel like your family is not there for you but sadly it does happen.

In any case, I usually don't get into debates here on LL or on message boards in general and I stick to the topic, but I feel really strongly about this issue and know the pain of depression and isolation. I've seen it from many sides and ruling out help because one person wasn't able to connect with you would be like ruling out dating forever because of one bad date. So again, I don't want to debate and I am not trying to claim I am right but rather throw out my perspective and some words of encouragement and support in regards to this topic.

It's a tough one.

posted August 21, 2012 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
I think that to some extent it is normal. What would help me is to have someone to talk to. It can just be a friend or even a penpal on here via email. Dont be afraid to reach out

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...most in this situation need just that - somebody to talk to, but somebody that understands them - somebody open-minded who's willing to listen without being judgmental...

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I can speak from both sides of this discussion. I've been on both ends of this spectrum - the really dark and the really light; the client and the therapist. I can relate to having my family ignore my issues (they still do ) but that eventually taught me to take hold of my own life and seek out assistance elsewhere. It sucks to feel like your family is not there for you but sadly it does happen.

In any case, I usually don't get into debates here on LL or on message boards in general and I stick to the topic, but I feel really strongly about this issue and know the pain of depression and isolation. I've seen it from many sides and ruling out help because one person wasn't able to connect with you would be like ruling out dating forever because of one bad date. So again, I don't want to debate and I am not trying to claim I am right but rather throw out my perspective and some words of encouragement and support in regards to this topic.

It's a tough one.

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- that was one of my points and i take this subject very seriously - in a way, i'm grateful that I've been in that position (having suicidal thoughts) - it was a necessary step in my path, cause it helped me understand it better and grew my interest in studying it from different points of view (and i did experience that feeling in more ways than one - as in - different causes that lead to that)... i acknowledge this as meaningful experience to my existence - cause i was able to help others, from those that didn't afford or didn't find the courage to seek professional help...

posted August 21, 2012 06:36 AM            

I'm totally ******* kidding for anyone who doesn't get my random jokes.

posted August 21, 2012 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Capricorn Sun:
Think I'll commit suicide and come back and haunt everyone. I wanna look like Casper, be all friendly and then pull a knife out of my cloud of fluff and go mad. I'll steal Ronald McDonalds wig and then my victims will confuse me with psycho Chucky doll. The best way to achieve death so suddenly is just call some one ugly and they'll just shoot me. I'll be back as a ghost in awhile!

I'm totally ******* kidding for anyone who doesn't get my random jokes.

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posted August 21, 2012 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
You scared me there , good plan tho .

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lol this is just me normally on a rant about nonsense hehe

posted August 23, 2012 03:42 AM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
what aspects would indicate suicidal tendencies in a natal chart?

i often find myself having suicidal thoughts i never say then to anybody but i really feel like life is not worth the trouble sometimes . i try to look on the brightside but the dark comes creeeping in , i wonder if everyone is like this or is it just me ?

the only reason i think this could be found in my natal chart is because since i was maybe 10 i've felt this way but the reasons i would feel suicidal have changed along with me .

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I have moon square saturn natally. Saturn conjunct my AC , conjunct sun too. So I feel depressed very easily .

I think the depressive emotiona or thought , you should look at the hard aspect of saturn ( conj.,square,oppose) to the moon (ur emotional state) , and hard aspect from mecury-saturn also.

posted August 23, 2012 10:04 AM            

I can not participate in studying this chart as far as suicide, try to keep myself out of his energy at all costs.

The date he opted out was 7/14/2001.

It is never an easy subject and I get so darn angry with my patients who feign it in a manipulative attempt to get attention.

Great thread!!!