posted August 21, 2012 06:19 PM            

I have a very loose separating Sun/Pluto square.

posted August 21, 2012 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
I know someone with that aspect but with a Mars in Cancer.. I don't know whether it's the mars or the sun square to pluto but i've gathered that they just use people for their own benefit? Anyone have any experience with someone and that aspect?

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posted August 21, 2012 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Couldn't it be argued that we all use people for our own benefit, though? Like we keep people around to entertain us, to console us, to mentally stimulate us, for physical affection, etc. And we reciprocate so we keep friends.

I have a very loose separating Sun/Pluto square.

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posted August 21, 2012 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
I think she means in a sinister way what you described thats not using people its just life i think she means litterally using others to gain something in a selfish way .

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posted August 21, 2012 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Someone i'm involved with has this aspect at 2*s. Its a nasty accusation, but yeah, from where I stand, I have noticed it, and commented on it to him. I respect him for many things but I can't stand this trait in him. My Pluto square's his sun exact, and I have no problem calling him out on it. He has gotten so much better (more genuine) over the years.

Once he is done with someone, he turns cold, like night and day. *shiver*

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It certainly rears it's head to show true colors... In this case, it's been me that's turned cold.

posted August 21, 2012 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Except that there sometimes isn't even any mutual exchange.. And if there was, it'd be with ulterior motives, from what i've gathered.

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posted August 21, 2012 09:15 PM            

I think everyone finds what works for them, best. For me, i find that it works against me when i close up like that.. I have a hyperactive fifth house so it's almost impossible for me to shut down so i open and spread myself like a beautiful flower time and again and give myself permission to deal with those trying to steal my pollen accordingly. It allows me to have meaningful relationships with people and not a memory of old baggage. I don't like it when i meet people who i'm interested in that have hurdles to jump because they're a bit jaded so for me and my future significant others, opening my hole for bees and hummingbirds seems to do best for the economy..

Did you guys pick up on the puns?

posted August 21, 2012 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Yeah, sadly. Its very selfish to disregard another's feelings completely. I don't pick up on a sense of entitlement, its just as though they keep people in their lives as "pawns to get by" and once they don't find you useful, or get a better replacement, well you know the rest

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posted August 21, 2012 09:45 PM            

Maybe it could be my Pisces placements? (Moon 12H and Asc) but if you ask me it all comes down to how the person was raised

posted August 21, 2012 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Ummm little offended by this thread, not gonna lie. Me being someone who's been used but doesn't see the point in doing it to others.
I mean if a person was kind enough to assist me with a problem I can't help but be appreciative, and return the favor. But to use and toss them like nothing? that's not in my nature.

Maybe it could be my Pisces placements? (Moon 12H and Asc) but if you ask me it all comes down to how the person was raised

Sun-Mars-Pluto in Scorpio conjunction

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posted August 21, 2012 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
A conjunction is no square. Sorry if it offended as it was totally not the intention. They also have mercury squaring that same pluto.. And to boot, a mars in Cancer.

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posted August 22, 2012 01:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:

but if you ask me it all comes down to how the person was raised

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^ YES!! He and his sister were unbelievably demanding brats. They have always respected their dad, but treated their mom like a slave who could do no right up until a few years ago. AND she let them (even be called names in front of their friends). Both seemed to outgrow that stage, and have a very healthy relationship with both parents now.

The sister also has sun square pluto.

posted August 22, 2012 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
^ YES!! He and his sister were unbelievably demanding brats. They have always respected their dad, but treated their mom like a slave who could do no right up until a few years ago. AND she let them (even be called names in front of their friends). Both seemed to outgrow that stage, and have a very healthy relationship with both parents now.

The sister also has sun square pluto.

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Yup! Sounds about right.. The person inspiring this thread was a downright BRAT! they even voiced that they always get what the want and out of respect for their father (whom i respect very much) i never said anything to him about it but did bring up the "always get what i want" comment in front of him.. He denied it and asked "right?" to which he receives no response from his offspring but continued talking about it, anyway.. I wanted to grab a butcher knife right then and there to then have shoved it in their eye after having sat there and watched such an offensive attitude taken towards their father like that. I found it so disrespectful and ugh.. The entitlement they exuded just made me want to gag!

posted August 22, 2012 06:00 PM            

My father was sun square Pluto, and he was generous and humble. A few of my good friends also have this square.

Really I'm just not seeing what all the hooplah is about.

posted August 22, 2012 06:10 PM            

When my planets fall in someone's 6th house, they see me as a TOOL. A thing they can use to make their life better. At least that's how I feel about it.

posted August 22, 2012 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I can see how Sun/Pluto people could actually use people, but that may also be a synastry issue.
If one person's planets fall in the other's 6th house, that may be it.

When my planets fall in someone's 6th house, they see me as a TOOL. A thing they can use to make their life better. At least that's how I feel about it.

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posted August 22, 2012 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm sun square Pluto, and I do have my faults, but to say I just USE people is not true. Like, maybe I benefit from them, but I feel that I give back at least as much as I take. Generally speaking, I avoid asking for any help.

My father was sun square Pluto, and he was generous and humble. A few of my good friends also have this square.

Really I'm just not seeing what all the hooplah is about.

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That may be the case with you but is that solely the reason behind the giving? Which is what the underlying basis of this whole thing is about.. Something for something.. By giving, are you coercing the other person to give back? When u take, do you give only because you've taken and plan on taking more?

I do agree that in all relationships there is a balance but what i've noticed from two people with sun square pluto is that all giving and taking is done with condition and that the terms are always lingering somewhere in the area, if not, directly above one's head.

posted August 22, 2012 10:51 PM            

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Maybe you may not see it but, how about being open to other points of views to see how your "generosity" is being perceived?

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Leaving myself out of this...I can be perfectly open and still perceive the generosity of my father and friends who are sun square Pluto as genuine and good-hearted.

Difficult aspects are a challenge that some people do rise above. It's often said in astrology circles that some of the best people have the worst charts.

posted August 22, 2012 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Leaving myself out of this...I can be perfectly open and still perceive the generosity of my father and friends who are sun square Pluto as genuine and good-hearted.

Difficult aspects are a challenge that some people do rise above. It's often said in astrology circles that some of the best people have the worst charts.

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posted August 23, 2012 12:32 AM            

Interestingly the most "entitled" comment came from a Scorpio who has sun conjunct Pluto 2*a. He said "I almost feel like everyone owes me something because I have so much to offer." And you know what, I think he's right especially about the second part. The reason I didn't mention him is because he is not hurting anyone.

Back to the person I originally mentioned, I am a close friend of the family, I have been involved with him for years. Take it from me, for someone to grow up getting everything they want and not having any chores, responsibilities, or even having to help out (or say please and thank you), I'm surprised they exhibit the awareness and kindness that they do.