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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 01:40 PM
  
Disclaimer This is a question for discussion. All opinions are welcome. I am not an authority. I am a 3-4 year astrology student.
Question for Discussion–Does Moon Oppose Pluto Tend to Bi-Polar Disorder(Manic Depression)
By amiann | Published: August 22, 2012
I have had this discussion with several people who had Moon oppose Pluto and were diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. I know that not all people with moon opposed to Pluto have this unfortunate malady. That goes without saying in discussions such as these. However, on the other hand, it is remiss not to look at possible “causative” factors in this(or any other psychiatric condition). We, as astrologers, are in a unique position to have our hand on the pulsing heart of life. We have a gift unequaled in all the sciences, both hard and soft, in my humble opinion. The chart is God’s map to each human being who is born on this earth. It is from that perspective that i continue this article. The Moon is one’s deepest heart. It is the most sensitive part of the person. When people share intimacies, they share moons. Falling in love is child to child: or moon to moon. With this in mind, picture the powerful Pluto who can be represented by the oceans tides. They flow, unbridled. They may be violent. They may be gentle. One thing is for certain. They cannot be stopped. All of us are primal people, even the most refined and rarefied creature has a part which can be reduced to primal passions. Think Shakespeare. Hence, we can get a sense of how powerful Moon opposed Pluto may be. The opposition aspect is a literal see-saw. One goes to one end of the pole and back to the other, just as one goes up and down, on a see-saw. Hence, the native is pulled from side to side, by inexorable forces, it seems. With this picture in mind, one can see how a disorder such as Bi-Polar Disorder may be a picture of Moon/Pluto. Thoughts anyone? ------------------
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Capricorn Sun
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posted August 22, 2012 01:44 PM
No, I am not bipolar because my moon is in Pluto.  Bipolar is a disease that is caused by chemicals in the brain of giving highs and lows, severely. It comes on all of a sudden and leaves just as sudden. The moon does not change that suddenly. lol If you want more information on the Bipolar disease, please ask. I am well informed of what it and other mental issues are. Thanks.  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 01:53 PM
I said Moon oppose Pluto as one possible factor in this.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 01:58 PM
Capricorn Sun
Do you have moon in Scorpio? Is that what you mean? I was not referring to a moon's sign but the aspect of the planet Pluto opposite to the Moon in the natal chart.------------------
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Capricorn Sun
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posted August 22, 2012 02:05 PM
Yes and I was kidding. I am moody but not with that. I know several bi peeps, they are all the same with different planets injuncting them. ------------------
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VenusDiSirius
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posted August 22, 2012 03:05 PM
How about Uranus?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
How about Uranus?
Talk to me about it, please. ------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 22, 2012 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
How about Uranus?
I agree. Pluto can be a factor but I think Mercury afflictions + Uranus afflictions need to be considered also. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 22, 2012 06:22 PM
The way I see it: Mercury and Uranus rule the nervous system. I am not entirely sure about this but I think psychological illnesses are related to the nervous system so that's where I'd look for mental problems. Example: I have an afflicted Moon but I don't have any mental disorder, it's just that my emotions are intense and sometimes hard to control. My Mercury and Uranus, on the other hand, are well aspected.
Just my opinion, I might be off on this.
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mercuranian
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posted August 22, 2012 06:37 PM
i have a t-square involving my moon, mercury, and uranus. my mercury is also conjunct chiron. and no, i am not mentally ill (or emotionally ill) thank you very much.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 06:39 PM
LOL to mercurian
I had 2 clients with Moon oppose Pluto with bi-polar
I was thinking that the up and down nature of bi-polar i.e high and low resembled the moonss tides as Pluto may interact with them------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 22, 2012 06:57 PM
I honestly think that trying to blend astrology with psychology or any other medical branches, is tricky.I mean, sure, there may be patterns, but there are also way too many exceptions (right, mercuranian?). Doesn't mean you don't have a point, Ami!
Just that it gets difficult to establish real patterns and what not. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 06:59 PM
I hear you Doux. I guess since I was trained as a counselor, I naturally look for astrological patterns. I was also trained as an acupuncture physician, so studied Oriental Medicine which has a very different approach to any disorder.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 07:02 PM
I have seen many cases of BPD with the moon conjunct Dejanira. In fact, I would love to do a study of people with Moon conj Deja to see how many have BPD.------------------
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Capricorn Sun
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posted August 22, 2012 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I honestly think that trying to blend astrology with psychology or any other medical branches, is tricky.I mean, sure, there may be patterns, but there are also way too many exceptions (right, mercuranian?). Doesn't mean you don't have a point, Ami!
Just that it gets difficult to establish real patterns and what not.
Amen. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 07:38 PM
It is a hard study but I do believe there are patterns that will become clearer the more I do charts. ------------------
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posted August 22, 2012 07:51 PM
I think moom/pluto is fodder for addictions, not bipolar.Mars in harsh aspect to the moon, maybe but not pluto. Pluto may add serious ocd and if the addictions and desires run rampant, it may cause behaviour that may be seen as bipolar when in reality, it may not.. Kinda like bipolar people and add folks often get misdiagnosed. Mars in harsh aspect to the moon, yes. Uranus square mars, yes. Uranus square mercury, yes. Mars, mercury or moon in cancer, maybe. All of those are just very erratic aspects... To see if the depression bipolars are assumed to experience, i would assume that there would need to be hars aspects also to saturn. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
I think moom/pluto is fodder for addictions, not bipolar.Mars in harsh aspect to the moon, maybe but not pluto. Pluto may add serious ocd and if the addictions and desires run rampant, it may cause behaviour that may be seen as bipolar when in reality, it may not.. Kinda like bipolar people and add folks often get misdiagnosed. Mars in harsh aspect to the moon, yes. Uranus square mars, yes. Uranus square mercury, yes. Mars, mercury or moon in cancer, maybe. All of those are just very erratic aspects... To see if the depression bipolars are assumed to experience, i would assume that there would need to be hars aspects also to saturn.
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ariesdragon
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posted August 22, 2012 08:15 PM
I believe bipolar is set off by these things...Illicit drugs such as cocaine, “designer drugs” such as Ecstasy and amphetamines.
Excessive doses of certain over-the-counter drugs, including appetite suppressants and cold preparations.
Nonpsychiatric medications, such as medicine for thyroid problems and corticosteroids like prednisone.
Excessive caffeine (moderate amounts of caffeine are fine).
If a person is vulnerable to bipolar disorder, stress, frequent use of stimulants or alcohol, and lack of sleep may prompt onset of the disorder. Certain medications also may set off a depressive or manic episode. If you have a family history of bipolar disorder, notify your physician so as to help avoid the risk of a medication-induced manic episode. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 22, 2012 08:31 PM
I was trained in Oriental medicine which does NOT label, as does Western medicine. Symptoms are seen as an imbalance of the body and /or mind. Also, they are an inextricable whole, not a mind/body duality.------------------
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VenusDiSirius
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posted August 22, 2012 08:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Talk to me about it, please.
It is the way bipolar's emotions fluctuate,from mania to depression,it is very Uranian,divisive and erratic.
I can see why Pluto can be considered,but its energy is one way street in terms of acting. For example,we often talk how Pluto in contact with Venus brings both love and hate,but the two emotions are hardy the extreme opposite of each other - it is the same coin,when it comes to love and hate.
Uranus doesn't do patterns. Out of blue,bizarre. Hellishly two way street,or ten. In bipolars we have mood vs mind,mania vs depression. Uranian lottery
I think it is good to always have in mind what aspects Moon (mood) and Mercury(mind) suffer,and of course if Uranus is involved. Try dispositors,or H4,3 rulers.
If Uranus doesn't speak much,yes,then try seeing if Pluto fits.
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posted August 22, 2012 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have seen many cases of BPD with the moon conjunct Dejanira. In fact, I would love to do a study of people with Moon conj Deja to see how many have BPD.
I have BPD tendencies. I do not have this aspect, but I have Dejanira conjunct Uranus, which trines my Moon and MC. What relation do you see to having Dej-Moon and having BPD? I'm really curious now. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted August 24, 2012 08:45 AM
Check out Stephen Fry's chart. It's his solar return today IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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posted August 25, 2012 09:50 AM
...well i have this:Moon Opposition Saturn
Moon Opposition Pluto ...but apparently, being a little bipolar is also a Gemini thing - it says so in the technical manual... IP: Logged |
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posted August 25, 2012 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i have a t-square involving my moon, mercury, and uranus. my mercury is also conjunct chiron. and no, i am not mentally ill (or emotionally ill) thank you very much.
I have enjoyed every comment of yours that I've read. I have a t-square with Mercury, Uranus, and Saturn. Mercury square Uranus, according to some astrologers, gives high intelligence, like the positive aspects, but with tendencies toward negativity. As usual, the whole chart has to be considered; I think my tight sextile of Mercury to Venus lightens my mind a bit. IP: Logged |
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