posted August 23, 2012 01:33 AM            

From http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtp10_e.htm

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For example, I once worked with a client who had very strong air and no water, who was having difficulty with a relationship. She would say things like: 'He has been seeing another woman but I can quite understand and accept this because he is very emotionally needy and insecure and is afraid that if he loses me he will be alone.' This is a typical example of rationalization. It so happened that, owing to some powerful transits at the time, she found herself out in the street one night slashing the tires of her partner's car in an emotionally driven rage of revenge and pain which she was unable to relate to rationally or intellectually. This is an example of the water function taking its revenge on the control of the sophisticated, rational intellect. Once the feelings receded, and she was restored to her habitual rationality, my client was extremely embarrassed by her emotional outburst and said, 'I don't know what came over me.' This is exactly what it feels like when the shadow qualities are released: we are, literally, 'beside ourselves'. So you can see that the air signs are likely to avoid emotional situations because they can so easily be taken over by them, and will run away if there is any danger of things getting messy because, by their very nature, emotions are messy and, according to air, irrational.

One of the main difficulties for people with a strongly developed air function is that, although they are extremely skilful at weighing up situations analytically, and can see both sides of the coin in any argument, they can end up feeling completely paralysed by the process. The fact that they know everything about a situation, all the pros and cons, and have looked at it from every side and read all the books about it doesn't help them decide what to do. This is the drawback of objectivity.

Audience: That's so true!

Clare: The point about the objective, exterior truth of the air function is that, although it can tell you all about something, it can't tell you the actual value of anything, which exists in other parts of ourselves which the air function knows nothing about. It is the water function which tells us if something feels right or not, but this subjective emotional intelligence is something which, in our culture, we are often conditioned not to trust. For many people, learning to trust our subjective feelings and emotions can be one of the most important things we ever do.

Audience: My husband has many planets in air in his chart. He decided to buy a new computer. So he bought all the computer magazines and read up about all the options and investigated the whole subject for about six months, without making a decision. The strange thing about all this is that, eventually, he just went into the shop and bought the cheapest!

Clare: What an excellent example. First of all it sounds as if your husband approached the subject in a rational, intelligent way, analyzing all the pros and cons and, in fact, probably becoming an expert himself in the subject. However, none of this research told him what computer to buy - it just told him what was on the market and the various comparisons he could make. It sounds as if, at the moment he visited the shop, his feelings came to the surface, which were telling him that the computer wasn't emotionally important to him and therefore it wasn't worth spending more than necessary, something he obviously hadn't considered during his research phase!

You see this phenomenon being played out on televised debate shows, with panels of people representing different views. No resolution or solution or progress emerges out of such debates, whose function seems to be mainly to clarify the opposing viewpoints, which is of value in itself but can easily go nowhere. There used to be a programme on television called The Moral Maze, where a group of respected academics and intellectuals would sit around a table each week and discuss important moral issues. One week the panel was asked to debate on the subject of whether or not the soul exists. The general consensus, of course, was that the soul did not exist because its existence had not been sufficiently proven according to the air signs' criteria of objective, collective truth. Another angle would be to suppose that the intellect can know nothing about the soul, and it is not uncommon for the air signs to talk articulately and intelligently about things they know nothing about.

The elements of earth and fire have their own ways of responding to the detached, objectivity of the air signs. The fire signs would get impatient and just leave air to carry on debating with itself, because fire is subjective and doesn't really care what other people think. Practical earth would not see the point of sitting around endlessly discussing concepts and theories. In fact, each element has its own particular way of thinking and acting and feeling.

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That's exactly how the air people I've gotten to know are, too.

posted August 23, 2012 01:43 AM            

Let's look at the description of North Node in Leo from Cafeastrology. You'll find that the similar theme of individuality vs equality is found in the other fire vs air nodes of the moon:

from http://www.cafeastrology.com/nodesofthemoon.html

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With North Node in Leo, our South Node is in Aquarius. With North Node in the fifth house, our South Node is in the eleventh house.

A tendency to rely on others who may let us down, to come across as impersonal or distant in our dealings with others, to be fearful of being the center of attention and standing out as an individual, to fear taking risks, and to fall back on peers and community at the expense of our own individuality are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to avoid falling into the easy trap of worrying about what others think about us. Instead, we need to strike out in our own individual and creative path without fear. We need to make a conscious effort to deal with others in a more personal, involved, and loving manner, rather than falling back on reason and intellect which detaches us from our feelings. We can easily alienate others when we over-emphasize equality to the point that we won't acknowledge individuals' uniqueness. We can too easily lose touch with our own heart by rationalizing our feelings, and become overly involved with other people's problems at the expense of our inner needs for attention. Learning to take personal risks, which requires a certain amount of self-confidence, will help us to achieve inner balance and happiness.

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posted August 23, 2012 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Many planets in air I don't know about so no comment

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It doesn't apply to just people with many signs in air. Notice she refers to it as "the air sign function" which means the air element in general. That could be someone with just the sun in air as well. Of course, someone with mostly air will be the most extreme, and have more emotional outbursts like that than someone with other elements, but it still applies just like you as an Aries are very much a happy and spirited fire sign. In my opinion, those who say that Air signs don't rationalize just haven't been paying attention haha, or maybe don't know them well enough. I attract a lot of air sign people, and have gotten to know them well, and they do have those weird emotional outbursts, too.

posted August 23, 2012 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
I've been looking for an interp for NN Leo in the 12th and could not find nothing...for my bro. ASC is also Leo.
NN Leo in the 5th doesn't match him.

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For NN in the 12th, look on that cafeastrology website link i posted for North Node in pisces. It's the same thing. He just needs to worry about details less and trust that the universe will take care of things more. Tell him to just have faith and think positive, and trust his gut more.

posted August 23, 2012 01:54 AM            

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Air represses emotions he cannot deal with. By repress we don't mean control, either. That too. But it's much more serious than that. He just blanks them out. He's no more aware of them than you are. They vanish into the vault, and the surface reveals a smooth, glassy consistency. Angry? Of course he's not angry. Hurt? Don't be ridiculous. Jealous? Why, he never feels jealousy. You begin to feel distinctly crude and irrational and bloody-minded in the face of all that non-reactiveness. Don't let it fool you. You should recognize what he doesn't know about himself. The element of air masks an intensely emotional nature, which positively terrifies the pants off him. If he's lucky, it will remain unconscious for a long time. Or maybe I should say, if he's unlucky, for the longer he blocks off his feeling responses, the worse the inevitable explosion will be. Yes, inevitable. Nothing dies that isn't lived out. Psychic energy doesn't vanish because you don't like it. It just goes underground and then surfaces when your back is turned some dark night.

Beneath the sanguinity is a lot of sensitivity, an acute sensitivity that allows the airy person to be much more easily hurt than others and much more deeply wounded. It also causes him to be more inclined toward emotional dependence, and a profound need for tenderness and sympathy which he cannot for the life of him ask for in any straightforward way. The other elements, when they feel weak, frightened, needful, jealous, hurt, angry or rejected, or wildly in love, will tell you so. Earth will buy you flowers, maybe, and fire will write you a flamboyant poem. Water will positively inundate you with emotion. But air? Why, air will discuss the weather. What did you expect? Or the political situation in Iran. Or the state of the labour unions. And if you're a telepath or know something about astrology, you can learn to pick up the body language, the dilation of the pupils of the eyes, the movements of the hands, the feeling tone, the intangible communication of an emotional fact that - if he faced it - would embarrass him immensely. Be patient. Nobody blushes like an air sign.

Emotionally, in short, the air signs - most sophisticated of all in the realm of thought and understanding - are children. They have the entire spectrum of a child's nature too, both the dark and the light. On the one hand, their naïveté is touching and beautiful, and every emotional experience has a depth and meaning which the more jaded types quite miss. Air can really be enchanted, because on this level he is childlike, and children still respond to wonder. He can also be touchingly trusting, in a way which makes you always want to show your best face and treat him with integrity. The idealism inherent in his feelings is a powerful pull toward living up to the ideal. There is a purity of emotion, a lack of worldliness, which he may find embarrassing, but which is a rare and precious gift if you happen to be the recipient.

He also has the egocentricity, dependency, crankiness, clinginess and oversensitivity of the child. Remember the tantrums that children throw when you neglect them? Well, you may never see a real tantrum. More likely you'll see a sulk, or a very subtle coolness which makes its point loud and clear. You rejected me. Now I'm going to reject you. So there. This kind of sulkiness and unconscious moodiness is very difficult to endure if you don't understand it. Especially when you try to tell him about it. The dialogue runs something like this:

'What's the matter, dear? You seem to be in a bad mood.'
(Translation: You've gone cold. What have I done?)
'Nothing's the matter. I'm not in a bad mood. I'm perfectly all right.'
(Smirk of secret satisfaction that you've been rebuffed and noticed.)
(Translation: I never have moods. It's you that's emotional and moody.)
'But I know something's wrong.'
'Look, just leave me alone, will you? I keep telling you nothing's

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It's continued on the site..

posted August 23, 2012 03:15 AM            

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someone with mostly air will be the most extreme, and have more emotional outbursts like that than someone with other elements,

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I think outbursts come from lack of or afflicted water, as you need water to understand and really do something with emotions. In that example, it said the lady was a water void (or low on water, I really forget) and that's what clicked with me. A lot of air would make someone really rational, detached, avoidant, and high-strung...I don't see a person with a lot of air being prone to outbursts.

posted August 23, 2012 03:29 AM            

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And that second website which said the same thing

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posted August 23, 2012 03:36 AM            

Article 1 mentions air and water void.
Article 1 mentions repression and emotional outbursts.

Article 2 mentions air, but not water voids.
Article 2 mentions repression, but not emotion outbursts.

posted August 23, 2012 03:43 AM            

Right here
It's the first paragraph of what I quoted.

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The element of air masks an intensely emotional nature, which positively terrifies the pants off him. If he's lucky, it will remain unconscious for a long time. Or maybe I should say, if he's unlucky, for the longer he blocks off his feeling responses, the worse the inevitable explosion will be. Yes, inevitable. Nothing dies that isn't lived out. Psychic energy doesn't vanish because you don't like it. It just goes underground and then surfaces when your back is turned some dark night.

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posted August 23, 2012 03:51 AM            

Have you gotten really close to the air sign people you mentioned? They seem even keel but would only tell about their outbursts to close friends.

posted August 23, 2012 03:54 AM            

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They seem even keel but would only tell about their outbursts to close friends.

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posted August 23, 2012 04:16 AM            

But their real outbursts ...like breakdowns n shiz , yeah they only tell close ones, but yeah...I mean i never have breakdowns and im a darn water sign!

posted August 23, 2012 04:24 AM            

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I mean i never have breakdowns and im a darn water sign!

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posted August 23, 2012 04:41 AM            

I admit I only read a handful of threads in a handful of forums, so I've no doubt missed many by you.

posted August 23, 2012 04:42 AM            

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I've only broken down twice in the past decade: once when my mom pushed me way too far and once while drunk. Both involved tears, one involved (almost) fists.

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