posted August 29, 2012 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:

But, for sure, it could also be the influence of her Capricorn Moon, Lol.

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Here's what I've noticed about saggis. They can be very blunt. They are usually active and like the outdoors. They usually like people a different nationality than theirs. They like to accuse too. Sometimes swear someone is out to get them. can be suspicious. They like to talk and meet people.

posted August 29, 2012 09:02 PM            

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Says who? you? lmfao oh please.

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posted August 29, 2012 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Well excuse you. Take yourself elsewhere if you can't take opposition from someone on a public forum.

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posted August 29, 2012 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I'm not crying about cusps not existing. Personally, I do use cusps. But the info above conflicts with what I've observed. Thus, I disagree with it and I disagree with you. By the way, since I haven't stated, what if I was born on a cusp? If that was the case, then this thread is for me. Thank you for the article - it is rubbish.

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Oh please. Now you wanna make up crap lies. If you were a cusp you would have mentioned it earlier. Even if you didn't believe in them so don't come making up bull now just to make yourself look good. Not gonna work.

posted August 30, 2012 12:06 AM            

Redscop, if you disagree, you could still be polite about it. You could say, "Oh I always felt that it was like this..."

You don't have to be rude and instigate bad blood.

In your manner let me explain how your words sound:

"Redscorp can I just say, you have a way with words. Honestly it's so polite, sweet, gentle. (rude sarcasm)

You really need help with your communication skills. I see on threads often trying to stir up issues and pick annoying fights with people.

Get some help. Or just simply stop yapping. (Being blatantly mean for no valid reason.)"

posted August 30, 2012 12:38 AM            

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If you were a cusp you would have mentioned it earlier.

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Not necessarily; it's best not to assume things about people. If you didn't write it, Beautiful Disaster, then why do you seem so offended? Because I disagree with your thread? It's open to all.

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Miss know it all who needs to get laid more often.

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Clever.

Dreaming111

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Redscop, if you disagree, you could still be polite about it. You could say, "Oh I always felt that it was like this..."

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I could, but I choose to be firm in my conviction.

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You don't have to be rude and instigate bad blood.

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Deaming111, she too has been rude. If you're going to lecture, do not lecture only me. I won't hold it against you! As I'll strive to value any input.

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.... Do you like being talked to this way? I don't think anyone would. So maybe you should rethink your approach.

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posted August 30, 2012 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
So the idea behind the "cusp" is 27-0 degrees of a sign.
Culminating at 29 d and new beginning at 0.
Too important to have them bundled all together. I do remember a theory,I think it was presented by Lotis White, that 29.45' - 0.15' could be a cusp.

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Yes. I don't believe in cusps for the planets and the Asc, because they are small in terms of how much 'space' they take up in the sky... form our standpoint they are nothing more then pin pricks.

However The Sun and the Moon are each half a degree wide... 30 minutes wide, and they have some fatness to them. That means that within a very narrow range, it's possible to have part of the circumference of the Sun or Moon sticking out into the next or previous sign.

I dug up my old thread, and here it is...

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Here’s an interesting fact I’ve learned recently….

The angular diameter of the Sun or the Moon is or just over 1/2 degree, which is 30 minutes of arc. Meaning that they both take up about half a degree of space on the zodiac wheel… And when astrologers calculate the position of the Sun and the Moon….. They do so from the center of point of each body….

Meaning they use the center point of the Sun and the Moon to calculate exactly where to place them by degree, minutes and seconds in the zodiac….

However since the Sun and the Moon both span 30 minutes….that means that in reality they do extend 15 minutes on either side of this center point…

Now this only counts for the luminaries…..The Sun and the Moon…. Because they appear so large from our stand point on Earth… they are like plates….they have a diameter that is obvious to our eyes…..however the rest of the planets and the fixed stars are more like pin points…. They are so small from our perspective that their zodiacal position from any point of earth is exact to the second.

posted August 30, 2012 08:40 AM            

I just wanted to point out that another tricky thing to ‘cusps’ is separating out the influence of Venus and Mercury from the Sun. I’m a Capricorn Sun with Venus and Mercury both in Sagittarius. If I didn’t know this and I was new to astrology I might think that my Sag characteristics are part of my Sun being close to the cusp, even though my Sun is at 5 degrees Capricorn. If you have planets in your neighboring sign the whole cusp thing can get exaggerated out of proportion.

Then there’s decans and duads to consider… For instance Capricorn ends with the Virgo decan and Sag duad, and Aquarius ends with the Libra decan and Capricorn duad. What I’m getting at is that all feminine signs end with a masculine sign duad, and all masculine signs end with a feminine duad. So just before the Sun moves into the next sign, it sits in a duad of the same ‘gender’ as that next sign along…

The planets at the end of Capricorn are a little bit Saggi before they move on into Aqua…. Sag and Aqua are different but they also have a lot of similarities. In some cases it may be possible to confuse the duad at the end of a sign for the characteristics of the next sign along. And to think that these characteristics are the result of the ‘cusp’, when really it’s the duad of the planet influencing the person’s personality.

The last duad of a sign starts at 27’30 of that sign….. It’s interesting that people often say that the cusp orb starts at 27 degrees isn’t it? I strongly suspect that this is as a result of duads.

posted August 30, 2012 10:48 AM            

If the Sun or the Moon do fall between 29’45 at the end of a sign, to exactly 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, due to the width of the luminaries in the sky, only in these cases would I be willing to consider the influence of a cusp. Because this scenario actually has some literal measurements behind it. It’s not based of people just thinking they’re recognizing cusps.

True.

I myself am a Sag born in the Scorpio duad and definitely, before having all this knowledge, thought that my Sun-sign was off bvy a month.LOL.

My mother thought I was a Capricorn and my Sisters both believed I am a "rare" December-born Scorpio. They just couldn't see Sagittarius, and still don't.

I think for one to strongly identify with the enrgy of your Sun-sign- study its associated ruling planet as well as house.

The reason I say I am NOT a Capricorn, is not only because of the computer syatem that says I am not. It is also due to the strongly identifying qualities of Jupiter and the 9th house.

Pluto is subtle energy; viewing from the background, suspicious and alert.

Saturn is dignified enrgy, proper, realistic, grounded, hard-working and pre-occupied with making "something" of one-self.

Jupiter is expansive energy, concerned with growth, unlimited, idealistic, unrestricted, moralistic and judgemental(yes).

When I look at all three, I strongly exude the qualities of Jupiter. My long-term objectives are always "Jupterian" in essence.

You must observe who you are most of the time, what you think of most of the time, who you see yourself being most of the time and what resonates within you strongly. Not who you'd like to be/prefer to thnk yourself as.

You could also try and sorround yourself with the people that you feel your affinity with.

posted August 31, 2012 03:02 AM            

Cool. My Sun is in Capricorn and while I totally feel like a Cap, the duad of my Sun is in Pisces.... And I've definately got some Pisces qualites in my nature too.... I'm a big daydreamer, I'm very sensitive, and I love metaphysical topics...

You're Sun is at the end of Sag? My Venus is there, and I've got a Sag Venus in the Scorpio duad... Which explains a lot about my attitude towards relationships. Very serious, and all or noting type of attitude. The Sag shows through too, in that I tend to like a positive and happy connection with a partner, where we share the same moral outlook. But something is definitely missing if you don't include my Scorpio duad as part of the picture.

Same for my Cancer Moon being in the Gemini duad.... I'm pretty quiet but my mind is hyperactive. I've got a lot of internal dialogue, and I tend not to feel 'safe' unless I've got a mental as well as an intuitive grasp of whats going on around me.

I use duads on all the planets. It's so fun to look at all the different layers that people have.

Aren't they super cool? I know that a lot of people simply don't idnetify with them-as is such with the "cusps": some people simply do not care for them.

I have a Cancer Moon/Aquarius duad myself-a dn I can plainly see how it manifests clearly. I'm just twisted and "strange". My taste in music refelcts very much the inner nature of this moon/duad combination:ecelctic yet nalstagic, harmonic yet original etc.

Venus is in my Gemini duad. This expelains a whole lot of Gemini Sun relationships I've had. Never been with a Scorpion- although I must say that a recent Scorpio sun conjuct this Venus(exactly) has gotten my attention(and reciprocated).

I think duads are worth a look. I've never gotten on much with leos-though being a Sag- and yet ,my recent very close association has been with a a Leo. And guess what? His Leo is in the Pisces duad whilst my Sag sun is in the Scorpio duad.

posted August 31, 2012 09:13 PM            

Using the ‘making a cake’ analogy for signs, decans and duads… I tend to think of the sign itself as the base of a cake, the decan as like the basic icing on the cake, and the duad as like powdered sugar, sprinkles, candy flowers, and the writing that says “Happy Birthday” or something on the cake. The sign itself is always the strongest influence, if there is a decan which is different from the sign, the decan is like an extra thinner layer added to the sign, and the duad is like an embellishment to all of this. Using an outfit analogy… The duad is like wearing a fancy hat, or a distinctive peace of jewelry to go with your ‘sign’ outfit. Duads are like an extra fancy accessory that makes the location of your planet by degree unique and special in a way that’s separate from the rest of the sign… It’s like an extra hint of ‘something’…

posted August 31, 2012 09:15 PM            

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The whole ‘cusp’ issue can get tricky.

I just wanted to point out that another tricky thing to ‘cusps’ is separating out the influence of Venus and Mercury from the Sun. I’m a Capricorn Sun with Venus and Mercury both in Sagittarius. If I didn’t know this and I was new to astrology I might think that my Sag characteristics are part of my Sun being close to the cusp, even though my Sun is at 5 degrees Capricorn. If you have planets in your neighboring sign the whole cusp thing can get exaggerated out of proportion.

Then there’s decans and duads to consider… For instance Capricorn ends with the Virgo decan and Sag duad, and Aquarius ends with the Libra decan and Capricorn duad. What I’m getting at is that all feminine signs end with a masculine sign duad, and all masculine signs end with a feminine duad. So just before the Sun moves into the next sign, it sits in a duad of the same ‘gender’ as that next sign along…

The planets at the end of Capricorn are a little bit Saggi before they move on into Aqua…. Sag and Aqua are different but they also have a lot of similarities. In some cases it may be possible to confuse the duad at the end of a sign for the characteristics of the next sign along. And to think that these characteristics are the result of the ‘cusp’, when really it’s the duad of the planet influencing the person’s personality.

The last duad of a sign starts at 27’30 of that sign….. It’s interesting that people often say that the cusp orb starts at 27 degrees isn’t it? I strongly suspect that this is as a result of duads.

If the Sun or the Moon do fall between 29’45 at the end of a sign, to exactly 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, due to the width of the luminaries in the sky, only in these cases would I be willing to consider the influence of a cusp. Because this scenario actually has some literal measurements behind it. It’s not based of people just thinking they’re recognizing cusps.

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This!

I'm a Cancer, born on June 22nd: my sun is about 1'39 Cancer. That could classify as a cusp, but I feel very Cancerian at my core (check the siggy). I have been told all my life that I'm pretty Geminian, but I'm realizing that it's most likely my Descendant in Gemini that my fam and friends are picking up on. Furthermore, my Sun and Mercury are conjunct in the 7th (air) house. The only other Gemini placement in my natal chart is my North Node conjunct Chiron in the 6th (Mercurial) house. I'm realizing that during this "life", I need to communicate and help others. That's largely how I initially connect with people anyway, so I could see why I'd "appear" like a Gemini-Cancer. But alas, you're either one or the other with an array of other aspects and house placements. JMHO.

posted September 01, 2012 05:05 AM            

So that’s my take on understanding signs, decans and duads.

Yes, the initial energy of the Sun itself takes precedence. As do all the other natural energy placements.

I actualy see it in more or less the same way.

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Cancer/Leo Cusp for me, July 22.

It sucks sometimes, lol.

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Samee , we share birthdays .

posted September 02, 2012 04:54 PM            

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I am a cusp born on the 21st of December.

Iused to agree with cusps, but that was before I discovered that my Mercury is in Capricorn, This may be where my Capricorn energy comes in.Right now, however, I don't quite know what to make of them.

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A Sag with Cap moon ,for instance, may identify with this description. So would a Sag with many Capricorn placements.

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Born Dec 21st as well which year were you born?

I am a 29'59 sag sun and have my mercury, saturn, uranus and neptune in capricorn, so I'm puzzled whether it's the cusp or just the many placements in capriporn that's doing the trick .

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My venus in in sagittarius as well..

I was born in 1983/12/21. I am also right on the "edge" of Sag. My Neptune, Jupiter is also right on the 'edge' of Sagittarius with my Uranus lagging waaaay behind in Sag too.

I have Venus, Saturn, Pluto and Fortune in Scorpio though. Mercury is the only sign in Capricorn and that is where the Capricorn energy ends...

But I reckon you are 1988/89, this was the only time that Uranus, Neptune and Saturn moved to Capricorn.

A Taurus I know has his Neptune, Uranus, Saturn in Capricorn and he was born in '88