posted August 30, 2012 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
OK so we all know the ASC is what mask we where right? but i get confused with the other descriptions saying its WHO WE really are in soul development.. if that's true why wear it as a mask?

Is it more important than the sun and moon sign? what heirachy would it go with?

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For a person-specific birth horoscope the Asc sign/rising sign is All Important!

The Asc degree is the spine, the backbone of the birth horoscope. It is what brings together or embodies the luminary energies and those of the other planets into a particular mode of expression. Most often it is the most important sign in your chart *this lifetime*.

This self-evident since the Asc is the most specific point in the horoscope (tied to the MC degree) and differentiates you from others born on the same day with the same planetary-sign placements (and nearby locations).

The Asc/1st house is your horoscope-specific 'Aries' point and rules the head/thinking, and body/ego - the self-identity. The Aries principle does not hide behind masks, but is a direct I AM self-identity that is loaded into the body at the birth process. "Mask" is a complete misnomer for the Asc put into use apparently by astrologers who may be more focused on metaphysical principles than the earthly, biological ones. In addition, the idea of 'Asc=mask' helps skirt the issue that the Asc sign of many birth charts does not match the personality/physicality of the supposed owner of that chart.

Unfortunately the problems of accurate Ascendants for birth horoscopes continue. Notice how many of the birth charts for celebrities on astrodatabank are based on rounded time figures (10:00 am), B/C/D-rated data. The most important of these problems is the total reliance of many astrologers on hospital documents that in my practice have proven to be inconsistent in their accuracy. Apparently on some occasions hospital staff may mark the time of registration at the hospital as the 'birth time.' One Australian client had numerous eyewitnesses who are relatives who collectively estimated a range of 6-7:30 am, while the birth document stated 12:15 pm. The correct chart was confirmed for 8:14 am.

These are things that astrologers find very disconcerting and inconvenient. It forces one to navigate the complex language of astrology in order to ensure that the chart actually matches the person and their life. This is often not an easy task, but for astrology to be taken seriously it must be done.

Throw away your popular astrology books that insist on the 'Asc=mask' theory. It is a diversion. The popularization of astrology has produced some deviance from sound horoscopic practice.

A sample rectification: Howard Stern

The C-rated birth chart based on 1:15 pm time quote (which Stern previously contradcited with 3 pm).

The easy, obvious rectification has Jupiter near Asc in mid-Gemini. He's a blabbermouth, and very tall: Jupiter all the way.
Howard Stern validated birth chart

posted August 30, 2012 04:32 PM            

where as in my opinion, mars/venus/asc/dsc are like the outer shell, they are how we manifest and express ourselves into the environment.

your intuition into envriomental reactions that involve taking the initiative and getting to a goal (a to b) are flavoured by mars and ASC.

venus i think colours what we want. mars/asc are just the vehicle, the engine, our tools were equipped with to get things done.

i think the asc is kind of the mask, but not just how others see us, but how we see others. ie. a window into the world and how we interpret it. and we react to that interpretation the best way that comes to us, which is what the asc will decide.

those are the ideas i interpret and perceive.

i think thats why we become more like our asc as we get older. i definitely have become more like my asc. how do i know this despite them being in the same sign? because the planet i have that squares my asc, i'v felt it grow more and more into my personality. very strongly.

posted August 30, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:

Steven forrest describes it as a mask we were when we are first meeting people. its how we are perceived when someone first meets us.. the first thing i do is tense up and get shy (capricorn asc) but i love your description!

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Thank you. Well, I think about myself and it is not a mask, as much as an exterior layer .

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posted August 30, 2012 06:11 PM            

When I'm at work, school or interacting with strangers, I'm more like a capricorn.

posted September 13, 2012 04:51 AM            

My IMHO, The AC is more like "self-image" than the Mask. Thinking about the first - impression when you enter to the new community and how other people will react at your presence from the first moment .. that's AC.

I'm not sure either when some said the sun sign represent us when we 're young but then when we grow up we will be more like AC?? or vice versa

In reality , I feel both AC and sun sign can not be seperate people tend to use both of their energy depends on life- circumstances they go through.

For me , I' m Virgo AC and Libra Sun.
Till now , I don't know how can I relate to Virgo as much as the definition. I have a few things to share with virgo . My first apperance when describe by the astro book , I'm libra ! I live my life as libra which I would change it if I could ..lol
and surprisingly ... When I grow up ,now begin with 3-, I feel more scorpio in me I don't know why ... maybe the prog. Sun and AC in scorpio .