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SEA LAVENDER
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posted August 30, 2012 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SEA LAVENDER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect, and I find it kind of tough to deal with. I'm 15 (16 in October), but unfortunately for me it seems difficult to relate to the majority of people my age (and I say that in the least pretentious way possible). With my Libra Sun and Leo Moon I crave the attention and love, but I just find it difficult to have a really close relationship, with anybody. Saturn is also loosely opposite my Sun, which just happens to be conjunct Chiron.

If you have it, how do you "deal" with it if it's a problem for you? What are your experiences in friendships and other relationships having this aspect? Any advice? Thanks y'all ;)

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CosmicKarma360
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posted August 30, 2012 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Moonfish
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posted August 30, 2012 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this placement, and I actually don't mind it that much being a triple water. At the same time I know what you mean, I have no problem making acquaintances but when it comes to close friendships...that's rare. Plus I've never been in a serious relationship.
I agree with CosmicKarma360, I'm generally closer to people who are older than me (10+ years), and my friends that are my age all have harsh saturn aspects w/ me in synastry, coincidence?


Celebs with Saturn in the 11H:
Adele
Halle Berry
Dakota Fanning
Robin Williams
Natalie Portman
Ryan Reynolds
Tyler Perry
Demi Moore
George Clooney
Antonio Banderas
Zac Efron
George Lopez
Jennifer Love Hewitt
Phil Collins
http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrites/saturn/m11/1.htm

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doommlord
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posted August 30, 2012 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have this feeling too but somehow i dont have chiron or saturn in the 11th....but my 11th ruled by saturn and also i have saturn in the 1st that i see has a strong effect on me overall

personally i dont bond strongly with people my age and becuse of that i was quite the loner at earlier times...but now i learned to enjoy the company of people from all ages but most of my friendships are with older people

my advice is that you should enjoy your friends even if they are older becuse no one can force into this "be with your own age gruop" idea

and who knows you might find someone your age that is actually mature enough for you to become friends with

libra sun
leo moon

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Moonfish
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posted August 31, 2012 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Effects of Saturn in the 11th House

Saturn in the eleventh house implies dignified occupation of the native and attraction of aged and serious friends. Afflicted Saturn may require the native to be cautious as their acquaintances may use them for their selfish ends.

http://house.ezinemark.com/saturn-in-11th-house-11th-house-astrology-319ee4bdaa8.html

The key words to our friendships are Old Souls

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 31, 2012 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yes to all of that.

I used to feel socially retarded, and believe me, at 15-16, it hurts quite a lot to see other teenagers go out and have fun while you "sit in the corner", so to speak.

It made me quite anxious and ill at ease with people my age. Somehow, I just felt different and thought people could see right through me, and I felt judged/criticized for my introverted nature.

I know better now.

I have friends who are, for the most part, much older than me and who live in different places all over the world.

That way, I can talk to them via the internet without feeling smothered ("me time" is sacred).


I do go out sometimes, but I feel most comfortable at home.

So, don't you worry, teenage years can be tough, but when you get older you'll find a balance and won't feel so negative about your priorities anymore.

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4lifephrases
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posted August 31, 2012 08:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right !

I have Saturn in 11th. It is so transiting through it. I have Venus in Libra so very strong influence on trying to keep everything happy and I have got lots of Sag.

I went through my toughest time in 15-16 too. I had lots of restriction from my parents at the same time I had no clue of relating to crazy people. I spent quiet a lot of time to be liked by this crazy lot and secretly I still do.

After like another 15 years I have come to conclusion they were not worth it.When I see the same teenagers now grown up and most of them are losers. Underachievers in life.

What baffles me is that why can't I have same kind of connection with other people ?

I do not think I am uncomfortable in social situations. I just feel at times people are not in their best behaviour, say silliest things, ask awkward questions and are less compassionate than I would be.

Another thing is it is ok to disagree on things with others rather than to keep peace.

As for how do I see Saturn in 11th. I see it different on different times. I can tell you I am still working on it. I love people, I get that high from people when I am with them and I love to make them feel good. I love to help people but at the same time I realize that they can feel like burden, responsibility. I can't keep being around people too much so I kind of schedule myself between introvert and extrovert times.

I care about their opinions far too much and thus lesson is that well don't try to be liked by them so much that you become a door mat.

Apart from that I think sometimes lots of people in relationship says really abusive and bad things, it really gets me start wondering if I am bad too. Am I not nice enough? I get very less encouragement or support from others but that's only to make my inner self stronger. I think placement is boon not a curse. It actually protects you from being sucker to other people and their opinions.

I want to know every minute if I am in people's good books or not. How many times I want to know what other people are thinking of me like even while I am writing this post, Is my post too long ? Should I apologize for it ?...blah blah...

It does make me feel lonely at times and completely forget that I already have lots of people as my friends.(Time to time I get odd
individuals who would remind me I am going to be loner and as I am afraid of it I believe them.) Good reminder would be to when you feel lonely, either look at previous friends and get in touch with them or try to make few new ones. (Making new ones wouldn't be difficult at all and you would be surprised to see how many you already do.) I believe that Saturn in 11th needs to do smart work on relationship when they feel lonely.i.e.love yourself, remove the time wasters or negative, (very tough job as same people would make you feel that you are doing wrong or you are going to be lonely without them) and then throw open yourself again to new people.

BTW I have friends who are more than twice my age and who are half my age so don't worry about having older friends as you would get older, things would be vice versa.

I realize that people come and go in the life, sometimes it is difficult to understand for saturn in 11 th.It is harder but it would happen.

We sometimes love people more than we should.

The Saturn lesson is love people who deserves it and weed out who doesn't.

Not person but people (group).I am sure there would be teenage groups. Try to join groups which are of your own interest. I made goals on exactly what kind of people I want in my life,attract and probably they would show up. Few have already.Good Luck ! for you too.

Thanks for starting this thread.This post has made me aware we so need a Saturn in 11th group. Ha ha ! ;-)

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Desiring Shadows
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posted August 31, 2012 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my good pals has saturn in the 11th and she is very popular.. !!!
She's also a mars in sadge. You know how they do. lol

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4lifephrases
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posted August 31, 2012 08:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon fish : Thanks


Celebs with Saturn in the 11H:
Adele
Halle Berry
Dakota Fanning
Robin Williams
Natalie Portman
Ryan Reynolds
Tyler Perry
Demi Moore
George Clooney
Antonio Banderas
Zac Efron
George Lopez
Jennifer Love Hewitt
Phil Collins http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrites/saturn/m11/1.htm


I can definitely see in Zac Efron, George Clooney,Halle Berry and Demi Moore. Saturn in 11th.

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CosmicKarma360
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posted August 31, 2012 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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4lifephrases
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posted August 31, 2012 09:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being Scorpio Sun, I like to know personal stories rather than apt words of wisdom or advices which I find pretty boring especially at times information given on some astro websites. I am left confused most of the time. I only came to conclusion after writing whole post though... ha ha ;-)

However I understand different people process their info differently.I guess OP has choice of both. Thanks CosmicKarma! and I like Freedom thing from your post as well.

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Moonfish
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posted August 31, 2012 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@4lifephrases
Your welcome
I agree, I also think you can see it in adele, she seems very mature for her age.

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SagittariusRising
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posted September 01, 2012 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SagittariusRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What interesting responses.

I have Mars conjunct Saturn in Scorpio in the 11th. Yeah, it's been a doozy and I still struggle with it. I've vacillated between awkward loner to the Queen of my own little circle of friends. My issue is sustaining my friendships; I do much better with tons of acquaintances. I've never had a serious relationship, either. I've had a connection with this guy for over a year but we met online and are still arranging our meeting.

I'm usually alone. Sometimes it's very freeing, other times depressing. It's like I wish I had a nice little group of friends, but I've either alienated them or are in a different place (children, etc.). Another thing that kills me is that I can see where Saturn dampens Mars' parade, I feel that energy being stopped by cautiousness. And I have regrets that I wasn't able to push past Saturn and take more risks, but as I become more aware of it, I can better pick-and-choose where to shut Saturn down and where to listen to him.

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Sagittarius Rising
Cancer Sun
Aries Moon
7th House conjunction with Sun, Mercury, & Venus in Cancer opposing Jupiter & Neptune in the 1st House

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SEA LAVENDER
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posted September 02, 2012 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SEA LAVENDER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the replies! It feels good to know that I'm not the only one out there with this (sometimes it feels that way) XD

@CosmicKarma360: I'm definitely one of those people who needs time alone. Of course, I like being around others, but there always has to be a certain time for me to recharge my batteries. And it is kinda freeing; I do feel independent, like I create my opinions and make up my own rules, get to know myself better. I know I'm never going to be *like the rest of them*, but it's pretty liberating, no?

I also like that Tim Burton quote you mentioned. It reminds me of something I read on an astrology site: "Saturn delays but does not deny". Keeping both of those things in mind, it makes it easier to know that eventually I'll meet other people with similar interests. Thank you!

@Moonfish: The interesting thing is is that I feel more comfortable with older people, even if I don't have to talk to them. I sometimes feel awkward just standing at a bus stop with a bunch of teenagers, but I kind of relax when there are people at least maybe ten years older than me, give or take.

The friends that I do have my age always seem kind of worldly, ready to take the hard knocks of life and are independent of what others may think of them. I like those qualities :) Very interesting!

And that list of celebrities with Eleventh House Saturn... when I think about it, it seems to fit my general impressions of them. That's pretty cool!

Lastly, the funny thing is, my mother has made several remarks about me, telling me I'm an "Old Soul". Freaky coincidence...

@doommlord: :D Yeah, I can get along and appreciate people in my own age group, but I still don't generally connect with them. I feel like an old man 95% of the time, lolololol

@Doux Reve: Socially retarded defines my feelings perfectly! And thanks for the reassurance... I look forward to finding the balance you've described

@4lifephrases: I agree, I think this placement puts up a certain barrier against intruding opinions, it helps you stick to your guns. I know a couple people also with Saturn in the 11th, and they can be pretty stubborn and rooted when they believe in certain aspects of themselves.

I agree, with what you said about how we weed out the people that are unworthy. Sometimes I'll lose contact with people, and I'll realize that they are definitely who I want around (or sometimes not). Thanks for the bits of advice and your experience!

And we TOTALLY need to start an Eleventh House Saturn club! XD (Ironic, no?)

@Desiring Shadows: Mars in Sadge is a bundle of energy XD

@Sagittarius Rising: I have a friend with Mars and Saturn conjunct, but with Mars in the elventh and Saturn in the tenth. His Mars is also conjunct his Sun and Mercury, all in Aries except for Saturn (In Pisces). He pushes and pulls me, with times where he's happy being in action and talking to people, other times where all he does is sigh and withdraw into himself (it drives me insane). I see this reluctance in him aswell.

For me, paradoxically, the independence is freeing and confining at the same time. I totally agree. I see the necessity for me to be alone, but I think I overdo it.

Thanks again, guys, for all the replies! I feel more optimistic about this aspect, and that I will eventually have strike a balance with this in my life. Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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DopGang
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posted July 21, 2016 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump.

I don't find a pattern of age and friends. It varies a lot to be honest.
Socially awkward, yes when I was younger. Even now you could say because I have a general disinterest in socializing, not that I don't know how.

The reason that I've bumped this is that I have very strict codes of friendship. Break them and you're gone.
I've been talking to a fellow member (I'm sure they'll chime in ) who also has this placement and we're almost identical in that regard.

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Leo-Cancer98
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posted July 21, 2016 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg I can relate to every sentence posted here .. literally lol. Thank God I'm not the only one with the dreaded Saturn in the 11th. Anyone have Saturn in the 10th house as well?

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Sulkyarcher
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posted July 22, 2016 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Saturn conjunct Uranus count?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted July 22, 2016 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find that my Saturn in 7th truly shines when am in a situation where an objective is needed to be achieved.

It happens often that during that process of having to collaborate with others, the more social nature does come out. And i can feel it.

So i would reckon for 11th house Saturn, it could be something similar.

You may feel a lit more of being part of the group when there is isa shared vision,objective or belief system.

What other placements are in the 11th house?

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