posted September 03, 2012 04:14 PM            

Eros is to degrees from vertex...

posted September 03, 2012 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Were you victimized, Popcorn? How close is yours? With asteroids, the orbs are everything imo

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Draconic Dejanira exactly conj my N Sun conj N AC

Ive never felt me like an victim.

posted September 03, 2012 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by VirgoSun/PiscesMoon:
Popcorn, What does dejanira conjunct karma mean?

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Popcorn, I, personally, don't use Draconic.

I don''t believe in past lives, as many people do. They would say Karma refers to a past life.

I would say it is something fated to happen in this life. It conjuncts the victim asteroid

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posted September 03, 2012 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by VirgoSun/PiscesMoon:
Ami: Im so sorry to hear that you have been through this too!!:-/
I have that sun/chiron aspect with my twingirls, but i would never ever do something like that to them! it
is not ecxatly conjunct (6deg orb)Im happy to say that i have broken this bad pattern in my faimily for
generations. Maybe this aspect kan be used in a positive way also?

Eros is to degrees from vertex...

My moon is conjunct his venus
My moon is opposite his moon
My moon is square his saturn
My moon is inconjunct his jupiter
My moon is semiSextile his sun

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6 degree orb is very wide. Mine was exact with my mother and my Chiron conjuncts my name asteroid, too.

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posted September 04, 2012 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Popcorn, I, personally, don't use Draconic.

I don''t believe in past lives, as many people do. They would say Karma refers to a past life.

I would say it is something fated to happen in this life. It conjuncts the victim asteroid

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Yes it conj the victim asteroid but I can just say what I feel. Ive never felt me like an victim and will never put the onus to anyone about my life. My life is my responsibility. Hard test will never make me to an bitter martyr.

Who said a eventsful life is easy. Tough setback give people bruising. You choice how you handle reverses. Its up to everyone if they wana be a victim or not.

posted September 04, 2012 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
We are an minigeneration from january - december 1964 who have the conj in orb. AMI + this is wrong forum for speaking of asteroids.

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I know this is not the asteroid forum but sometimes, they come up in the natal chart and it is too hard to always have the forums, completely separate, in a perfect way.

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posted September 04, 2012 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by VirgoSun/PiscesMoon:
I just read something about Kaali. In my chart it is in Scorpio 3rd house at 25,09 conjunct Child at 26,23 and conjunct Lilith at 23,37...If Kaali is ones kundalini then maybe i had the ability to raise my energy or seperate my mind from what was happening with my body and fly away?

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Kaalli is one's basic life force energy i.e kindalini. What conjuncts Kaali almost runs through our veins, so to speak. Hence, you are very closely aligned with your inner Child and your childhood experiences as a child. You are closely aligned with Lilith, which is raw passion.

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posted September 04, 2012 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
We are an minigeneration from january - december 1964 who have the conj in orb. AMI + this is wrong forum for speaking of asteroids.

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I would love IQs take on the minigenerational asteroids, as I know what you mean. Why don't you make a thread in the asteroid forum and ask him, Popcorn?

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posted September 04, 2012 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is an important question, Popcorn. I put it in the asteroid forum for IQ. I did ask Randall that if a chart had planets and asteroids overlapping, could be discuss it here. He said yes, as it is too confusing to have such an exact demarcation to each forum, all the time

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Im glad to hear we can mix. Its very confusing if all thoughts about asteroids in a thread will make an input of the thread into the asteroidforum ...

posted September 04, 2012 02:22 PM            

I am not able to access the charts. The crime would have started under a specific Vedic Dasha or during an Asteroid trigger. Can discuss in the Asteroid Forum with the natal details.

Poor Pisces Moons, they take the brunt of human suffering.

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posted September 05, 2012 01:52 AM            

This is the basis of Project MK Ultra's Monarch Program, conducted in certain elite families to create Mind Controlled Slaves by fragmenting their Psyche.

Major research was done in the 1940s Genocide Camps by Nazis, and these Nazi monsters were safely brought to USA under Operation paper Clip. For every Von Braun, a dozen Mengles were imported.

I have interacted with actual Monarch Slaves, so I am not joking about this. You can see this disturbing research in the Spider Line forum, but it is not recommended for the faint hearted.

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posted September 05, 2012 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by soulstress:
I experienced this as a child not with my father though but my stepfather and cousin. I have Pluto in the 4th conjunct South Node, opposite Venus. Not sure what else might indicate this.

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Check the Child asteroid, and the dejanira asteroid. As a fellow victim of molestation, my heart goes out to you and I understand

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posted September 05, 2012 10:42 PM            

I have blocked it too. I always knew it happened, but I have nothing concrete to base it on. It has recently surfaced my consciousness (it is not the first time, but it is the last). I had nightmares about it too, and very powerful, violent reactions to things people would do or say that triggered the memory even though I wasn't aware what memory was that about. I had a lot of symptoms too, the loudest was depression and being suicidal last fall (pills). I started therapy and it brought it to the surface, but very slowly and I resisted the process until I couldn't deny it anymore. I couldn't even bring myself to tell my therapist because I thought she wouldn't believe me (my mother didn't, though she knew or suspected, but that would have ruined her fantasy of the perfect little family that we never were..). I am in a lot of pain right now, I have a lot of boiling anger I do not know how to deal with and for the first time I feel that I cannot contain it any longer, which is weird because I was excellent at having self-control. My father semi-confirmed the abuse and life since then has been a wild emotional rollercoaster. I am yearning for peace or some sort of release but I cannot find any. Almost relapsed into depression and started taking meds again because I couldn't function at my job. It is hard. Probably the hardest thing I had to do my whole life.
I talked about it quite in detail in Sweet Peas and I posted my chart, my father's chart and the synastry in here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000794-2.html

I don't have Pisces Moon, but I have an exact Moon-Neptune conjunction, which makes me a lot like a Pisces Mooner, the description fits very much. I have a lot of signs of sexual abuse in my chart, or just abuse in general. In a rough sense, they would be:

-exact Mars-Pluto opposition which in equal houses is on 4th/10th axis (in Placidus is 3rd/9th). Pluto rules my 10th house, which could be the father.
This particular article about Mars-Pluto and child abuse is very enlightening, though not for the faint hearted, so consider yourself warned. It is tough to swallow by sensitive souls. http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.ro/2011/09/astrology-of-child-abuse-and-murder.html
-Saturn which some say is the father is also part of that opposition, conjunct Pluto and opposite Mars
-so is asteroid Child, even though further apart (the Saturn-Child opposition is valid, though)
-Mercury, ruler of my 5th and 8th houses (both sex houses), conjuncts Mars and is also opposite Pluto
-squaring this opposition and turning it into a Grand Cross are Lilith, Lucifer and Nessus. Lilith I think is of special importance, because when I got older, I fought for my safety, rebelling against my abusers.
-Dejanira is exactly conjunct Mercury, ruler of both sex houses
-I have Chiron in the 4th house, which can mean childhood trauma that never heals.. it is also sitting on Algol, which is a very unfortunate fixed star. Also widely conjuncts Venus, which also rules the IC (childhood).
-Venus, MC/IC axis are on the Martial nodes, which have been linked with rape and sexual abuse. Note the links to the parental houses.

Talking about it helps. Keep talking, in here or some place else but do not stop. Talking helped prevent me from slipping back into denial and depression and though it is heartbreaking in the beginning, it gets a little better. Know it was not your fault and though it feels that you will never be whole again, you are perfect as you are and a beautiful, brave soul.

posted September 06, 2012 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
My mom and aunt got abused by their father, they both have their suns In the 12th house, they are twins. I read somewhere that people with their sun in the 12 th house may have difficulty with their father.

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posted September 06, 2012 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful Disaster:
I read something like this years ago. Forgot where. Sometimes it can also mean absent father figure. My sun is in the 12th house. My father died when I was 4.

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I am sorry

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posted September 06, 2012 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Check the Child asteroid, and the dejanira asteroid. As a fellow victim of molestation, my heart goes out to you and I understand

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*Hugs* Ami

Though I've already moved on, this topic still remains sensitive to me.
Anyway just checked where those asteroids are placed in my chart. I included Karma as well.

Dejanira in Aquarius, Child in Aquarius, Karma in Pisces all in 8th house
Child conjunct Karma but not Dejanira coz of too wide orb.