Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 08, 2012 11:47 PM            

---

Someone I know grew up in a religious home, but has left his faith and now claims to be an atheist and a materialist. (I don't judge him for that--I left my faith too, though I don't think I could be an atheist... that's another story...) He says any kind of spiritual stuff is BS, at worst, or just another way that we humans try to create meaning in our lives, at best. Anyway, I'm just wondering if he's really telling the truth, or just trying to feel like he's a bona fide intellectual. His sun and Venus are both in the 12th house, both trining Neptune, and his Mars is in Pisces. All that spirituality in his chart, to me, makes me wonder if deep down he's not more of a mystic than he might admit. But I'm not a pro... what are your thoughts? Could someone with strong Neptune and Pisces placements ever be a "true" materialistic atheist?

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life. www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog! http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 817
From: Brooklyn, NY USA
Registered: May 2011

posted September 09, 2012 12:37 AM            

---

Yes I have my 3 planets in pisces as well as the 12 th house and I would consider myself athiest.

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 12:39 AM            

---

And yet... you're on an astrology forum, so you're obviously not a materialist!

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life.
www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog!
http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 234
From:
Registered: Aug 2012

posted September 09, 2012 01:13 AM            

---

That's a weird question to me, like asking if Leos are ever shy, or if there's any Virgos who aren't neat freaks. Of COURSE not everybody fits all the stereotypes specific to their particular sign, people aren't that simple. And a lot of times there's other chart factors at play that can mitigate things alot.

IP: Logged

Posts: 2405
From: Portland, OR
Registered: May 2009

posted September 09, 2012 01:24 AM            

---

I'm a Leo and I happen to be shy also I have Pisces Moon, Neptune in the 1st H and many Neptune aspects and I considered myself a Atheist, but since I'm into astrology I guess I'd be considered Agnostic...

IP: Logged

Posts: 7044
From:
Registered: Mar 2010

posted September 09, 2012 03:57 AM            

---

To me spiritual and religion is two totally different things.. I'm spiritual but not religious at all..

Pis asc
Mars sq neptune
Chart ruler neptune in h9, the house that rules religion.

IP: Logged

Posts: 8223
From:
Registered: Oct 2010

posted September 09, 2012 04:51 AM            

---

hmm.. to the OP, I get what you're saying. Having learned some psychology almost being done with my bachelors, I would say that he is just rebelling against being FORCED into religion for so much of his life and being manipulated constantly into being that way or else, he is not a good human being, and definitely not worthy of love in the eyes of his family..aka a "sinner." I would say that having so much pisces influence, your intuitions are probably right! He is just rebelling strongly against his family, and will probably develop some other spiritual preferences that have nothing to do with religion, like perhaps meditation, aligning your chakras, being vegan, reading the tao, doing yoga, etc. Heck, I even know heavily pisces influenced people who just enjoy reading about theories on energy waves and how sound works and how massages and music are therapeutic, and how to do acupuncture. Anything that is new age and more advanced than what our society practices while also being healing to the soul is up for grabs.

You say he is materialistic now though? In what ways have you seen him being truly materialistic? Does he play music? What kind of books does he read? How does he spend his free time? With these placements, it'd be difficult for me to imagine him being a character on jersey shore whose sole source of happiness in life is to go clubbing.
------------------
$3.50 ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readings

IP: Logged

Posts: 7206
From:
Registered: Oct 2011

posted September 09, 2012 09:43 AM            

---

What is being "materialistic?". Liking money and possessions?

Well, I'm a Christian but I like my money and possessions without worshipping the things I have. Not believing in Christianity is one matter, but religion and working for material success are not mutually exclusive. Otherwise anyone who is successful would not be a person of God, and that is ludicrous.

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 10:15 AM            

---

No, materialism is different than being materialistic. Materialism is a belief that the physical world is all there is. In other words, everything we think of as abstract, such as love, emotions, evil, etc., can be explained in rational physical terms. What we think of as "love" is just rushes of norepinephrine when we see (and smell the pheromones of) someone with whom we'd be biologically compatible. Evil is just a term we apply to something that harms or threatens our survival. And so on.
He did say once that despite all that, he does believe in falling in love... so there's a chink in his armor, I guess!

IP: Logged

Posts: 8223
From:
Registered: Oct 2010

posted September 09, 2012 10:20 AM            

---

Interesting. Lol. I would think not, though. And that he would even be pretty introverted.

------------------
$3.50 ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readings | Ideal compatibility | Q&A

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 10:20 AM            

---

RunAroundScreaming, I think you're right. He has explored some meditation in the past, though I don't think he's doing it now. Perhaps he'll eventually decide that materialism is unsatisfactory/incomplete and start exploring some metaphysical explanations for our existence. Maybe I should introduce him to astrology!

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life.
www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog!
http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 5231
From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009

posted September 09, 2012 10:25 AM            

---

Hello Joy! Welcome to LL

Athiest and heavy Pisces/12th house?
not really because Pisces is the one sign with faith, their mantra is "I believe"

Look at the 9th house, is Pluto there?
if not look to see if there is a planet posited within that is in aspect to Pluto.

IP: Logged

Posts: 1418
From:
Registered: Sep 2010

posted September 09, 2012 11:42 AM            

---

well for one, he's connecting spirituality solely to religion which means he still could be spiritual and just not look at it that way. i'm a strongly pisces-influenced person and i define myself as a spiritual athiest. i don't find those contradictory at all.

IP: Logged

Posts: 1948
From:
Registered: Dec 2010

posted September 09, 2012 02:41 PM            

---

The guy I'm dating now has a Pisces stellium (Sun, Venus, Mercury, NN) and is an atheist. Although, maybe he's spiritual but doesn't really share. When people ask, I say I'm an atheist because I don't want to get into it. My spirituality is personal and private.

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 03:09 PM            

---

Lalalinda, Thanks!
No, his Pluto opposes his sun/venus conjunction. Pluto is in the 6th. His 9th house (in Placidus) is completely contained in Capricorn. But there is a T-square with Uranus and Mercury opposing each other and each squaring Saturn. I imagine that would indicate some strong mental work in the realm of reality?
He is a very private person (would that be the 12th house emphasis?) So maybe my hunch is somewhat correct, and he just keeps his spiritual side to himself.
I agree with everyone that religion and spirituality are quite different. Sometimes they go hand-in-hand, but not always.

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life.
www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog!
http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 3396
From:
Registered: May 2009

posted September 09, 2012 03:13 PM            

---

My daughter is an Aries sun, Pisces moon, Pisces asc...

She calls herself "athiest."

She is 24, highly intelligent and believes in a source, a viewpoint similar as Stephen Hawking has, but she does not engage (or fall for) organized religion.

I think she is pretty darn spiritual, but just has not discovered that part of herself...yet~

terri~

IP: Logged

Posts: 4367
From:
Registered: Sep 2011

posted September 09, 2012 03:29 PM            

---

I know two Pisces atheists. One is very heavily Aqua-influenced. The other I think has Aries influence (actually might be an Aries; I don't have the birth time, just the date, and they were born the day it changed).

IP: Logged

Posts: 4227
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009

posted September 09, 2012 03:41 PM            

---

I am Pisces rising, yet I was atheist for almost 10 years.

It is not a natural state of mind for Neptune-influenced people, but it happens. Not sure if it can be a lifelong thing though.

IP: Logged

Posts: 817
From: Brooklyn, NY USA
Registered: May 2011

posted September 09, 2012 04:47 PM            

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by hippichick:
My daughter is an Aries sun, Pisces moon, Pisces asc...

She calls herself "athiest."

She is 24, highly intelligent and believes in a source, a viewpoint similar as Stephen Hawking has, but she does not engage (or fall for) organized religion.

I think she is pretty darn spiritual, but just has not discovered that part of herself...yet~

terri~

---

I am a Aries Sun Pisces Moon aries ascendant

IP: Logged

Posts: 1069
From:
Registered: Oct 2010

posted September 09, 2012 05:52 PM            

---

I think both Pisces and Virgos tend to be either or when it comes to religion/spirituality.
I don't know why he would be lying about it though.
Does he socialize in circles where this view is held?

IP: Logged

Posts: 1069
From:
Registered: Oct 2010

posted September 09, 2012 05:56 PM            

---

dp

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 10:57 PM            

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
I think both Pisces and Virgos tend to be either or when it comes to religion/spirituality.
I don't know why he would be lying about it though.
Does he socialize in circles where this view is held?

---

Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to imply that I think he's lying. I think he is being honest about how he feels at this point in his life. I'm just wondering if maybe it's a phase, you know? Will he be able to sustain a strong anti-spiritual position throughout his life, with all those Neptune/Pisces things going on? I totally understand being anti-religion. But to be at the point where you say any kind of mysticism or exploration of the spiritual side of life is intrinsically, without exception, utter nonsense... I find that kind of attitude disheartening. Sure there's a lot of nonsense that happens in the metaphysical world, but in my opinion, you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.

He's a good friend, and I'm curious about getting closer, but I, myself, am very interested in exploring spirituality, finding some kind of spiritual way of life that works for me (haven't completely found it yet)... I don't know if I could endure someone who disparages (or even just "tolerates" condescendingly) that part of my life. So I'm crossing my fingers that he might have some hope of crossing over to the "dark" side some day. ha ha ha! Of course, life has no guarantees. I'm just curious.
Thanks, everyone, for your input! It's so interesting!

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life.
www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog!
http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 87
From: Kansas, United States
Registered: Jun 2012

posted September 09, 2012 11:05 PM            

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello Joy! Welcome to LL

Athiest and heavy Pisces/12th house?
not really because Pisces is the one sign with faith, their mantra is "I believe"

Look at the 9th house, is Pluto there?
if not look to see if there is a planet posited within that is in aspect to Pluto.

---

His 9th house is empty. However, his Moon in Cap is only 2 degrees from the 9th hous cusp. And his moon squares Pluto (widely--9degrees apart).
Or are you talking transits? Because... hmmm... interesting... yes, Pluto would be in his 9th house now. I wonder how long that's been there, though, because he left his faith several years ago.

------------------
I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life.
www.sleepingrealities.com
Follow me on Facebook!
facebook.com/sleepingrealities
Follow my blog!
http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com

IP: Logged

Posts: 1714
From: the outskirts of Delphi
Registered: Dec 2017

posted May 02, 2021 10:33 AM            

---

bump

It’s a phase

IP: Logged

Posts: 14334
From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode
Registered: Sep 2014

posted May 02, 2021 03:50 PM            

---

I left my faith too, I have moon in pisces and neptune is my strongest planet. I have never stopped being spiritual though and even during my occasional "atheist" phases I have always had buddhist, tibetan ideals that I try to live by and have always believed in past lives in some level.

I am a christian buddhist pagan atheist gypsy! 😂

These days I am into meditating to the sounds of Tibetan singing bowls and kundalini yoga, also have been investigating on kriya yoga, love how yoga makes you work with the breath and how incredibly powerful this is when you combine it with poses and movement or Tibetan singing bowls.

IP: Logged