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ueharaa
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posted September 14, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many wonderful old threads about draconic charts that have already enlightened me a lot on this subject.
Yet I was wondering this one question, how does the draco-draco synastry manifest itself in the current life ?
From my understanding, the draco to draco synastry relates to past life bonds and contacts. But can we consider those past bonds to still be somewhat felt in the current lifetime (whether they aspect the natal or not of one of the person involved)

For example let's say two people have some heavy aspects in their draco to draco synastry such as mars-pluto dw, moon mars dw. Will they be able to subconsciously feel it in their current interaction? How would it manifest exactly?

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posted September 14, 2012 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing constructive to add other than that I'm going to be watching this thread like a hawk because stuff like draconic charts fascinates the crap out of me even though honestly I have yet to see a person who actually resembles their draconic chart - I don't really buy at all that it's the chart of the soul or whatever other theories are prevalent about it.

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posted September 14, 2012 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my knowledge, draconic charts are somewhat another layer of our persona, but a unconscious side of ourselves, plus we keep the same house placements from our natal chart. Personally I don't see it as a part of our past lives.

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posted September 14, 2012 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, there has been some debate about whether it's a past life chart or the soul's chart. I personally think both points of view are somehow linked so in the end it would just be a matter of whether you believe or not in past lives.

Yet seeing draconic as the soul charts would put a lot of emphasis on the draco to draco synastry in significant relationship, wouldn't it?

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posted September 14, 2012 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
From my knowledge, draconic charts are somewhat another layer of our persona, but a unconscious side of ourselves, plus we keep the same house placements from our natal chart. Personally I don't see it as a part of our past lives.

The funny part about all of this is that people say the same things about both the draconic and heliocentric charts, that basically they depict the soul or some fundamental part of the person that they aren't aware of. You end up with two totally different charts that people all say supposedly depicts who you REALLY are. That's another reason why I don't take them seriously at all. I fully admit I fit my standard natal chart to a tee - the good, bad and the ugly, but I'm nothing like my draconic or my heliocentric chart whatsoever.

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posted September 14, 2012 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Draconic charts can explain; odd attraction to another person even if they aren't considered atypical a good couple synastry or composite wise. But so can a good set of well placed asteroids. The reason I don't see it connected to past lives is because of the North Node remaining Aries for everyone, and the North Node is suppose to be connected to our past lives.
I don't know its hard to say.

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posted September 14, 2012 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there is quite a difference between the two. The heliocentric chart is supposed the chart of your higher self meaning you without the ugly. All your good qualities expressed in the best way possible. It's a sort of "you at your best" chart. If I remember well, I might have even read somewhere that the heliocentric chart doesn't have any karma.
The draconic chart though is supposed to be the chart of the evolution of your soul. Where you're from and where you're going, because of its relation to the north node being set at 0° Aries. That is why to those who don't believe in past lives it is considered the soul layer chart and to those who do, the past life chart. Both point of view are related to me because in the end it is still about an inner part of you that you can't easily access, or that you're not really aware of, yet remains very important because it also show where you're going. However as far as identifying to the signs of my draconic chart goes, I must admit it isn't that easy.

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posted September 14, 2012 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Draconic charts can explain; odd attraction to another person even if they aren't considered atypical a good couple synastry or composite wise. But so can a good set of well placed asteroids. The reason I don't see it connected to past lives is because of the North Node remaining Aries for everyone, and the North Node is suppose to be connected to our past lives.
I don't know its hard to say.

Yes it's true that asteroids can sometimes explain a lot. But so far I have been amazed at the crazy connections I have found between same family members draconic charts. I don't believe it is only related to past life though, as you said because of its connection to the north node being at 0° Aries, which is a critical degree of actual manifestation, I also believe that it also relates somehow to where we're going which is why I started wondering about the significance of draco to draco synastry.

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posted September 14, 2012 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally see the Draconic chart as our soul self, the hidden side of ourselves spiritually that we need to strive for to reach inner-peace in life no matter how difficult it may me. For example, someone with a Scorp Moon who now has an Aqua Moon has to learn how to stop suppressing and brooding over their feelings and learn how to verbally express them better.

As for Draco synastry, I have to say the best experience I had actually was with my natal planets on someone's Draco planets. I still feel like he sought me out since he seeks qualities similar to his soul self in me. We have Venus-Mercury conjunct my Venus, Sun-Jupiter conjunct my Mercury, etc.

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posted September 14, 2012 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
Yes it's true that asteroids can sometimes explain a lot. But so far I have been amazed at the crazy connections I have found between same family members draconic charts. I don't believe it is only related to past life though, as you said because of its connection to the north node being at 0° Aries, which is a critical degree of actual manifestation, I also believe that it also relates somehow to where we're going which is why I started wondering about the significance of draco to draco synastry.

I won't deny there is a significance my mother's natal chart is written all over my draconic chart, its just one of those sections I have dived far enough into to have complete support in it

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posted September 14, 2012 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I personally see the Draconic chart as our soul self, the hidden side of ourselves spiritually that we need to strive for to reach inner-peace in life no matter how difficult it may me. For example, someone with a Scorp Moon who now has an Aqua Moon has to learn how to stop suppressing and brooding over their feelings and learn how to verbally express them better.

As for Draco synastry, I have to say the best experience I had actually was with my natal planets on someone's Draco planets. I still feel like he sought me out since he seeks qualities similar to his soul self in me. We have Venus-Mercury conjunct my Venus, Sun-Jupiter conjunct my Mercury, etc.


This is really interesting. I like the way you view it, especially how it could be the key to reaching inner peace.
As for the Draco to Natal connections, to me those are very important. I wasn't sure who was feeling them more but the fact that the draco person "seeks" the natal person makes a lot of sense.

So based on this, would you say that draco to draco synastry relates more to a soul to soul recognition?
I wonder how important such connections are in explaining deep meaningful relationship or encounters. Surely a moon venus conjunction in the draconic synastry could give two people a deep sense of peace, harmony and love that might be unexplainable to them. But what about other harsher aspects ?

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posted September 15, 2012 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else wants to share / discuss ?

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Since the Draconic chart is calculated using the nodal axis (putting NN on 00 Aries), it is really a "nodal chart" and as such has to be interpreted in consideration of the symbolism of the nodal axis.

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posted September 15, 2012 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is really interesting. I like the way you view it, especially how it could be the key to reaching inner peace.
As for the Draco to Natal connections, to me those are very important. I wasn't sure who was feeling them more but the fact that the draco person "seeks" the natal person makes a lot of sense.

So based on this, would you say that draco to draco synastry relates more to a soul to soul recognition?
I wonder how important such connections are in explaining deep meaningful relationship or encounters. Surely a moon venus conjunction in the draconic synastry could give two people a deep sense of peace, harmony and love that might be unexplainable to them. But what about other harsher aspects ?


Thanks. I'm glad you agree, I feel like important draco-natal connections in synastry will really keep someone bound to the other... sort of like seeing some part of yourself you need to find in someone else. You're just so drawn to that person, because they possess the qualities you have within but can't reach yet. Almost like you just /know/ that being with them feels right... sometimes this feeling can be overwhelming but at other times, it makes you feel like you just need them so much. I think it also runs both ways, for the natal person also. As the natal person in my case, I feel like I can't abandon this person, even if we ever romantically break up - I always want to help guide them somehow, because I can just sense the inner Scorpio traits they carry. I'm the digger, and they're the subject I am excavating.

Soul to soul recognition is such a good description of draco to draco synastry. With d-to-d synastry you would get two souls reuniting or meeting for the first time, you would get two compatible spiritual paths - which is essential especially for romantic unions. When two people have incompatible draco-draco synastry you could say that their spiritual paths are not that compatible... meaning that things in life, natural events, or the development of their souls could pull them apart. This is a very simple but plausible idea. When someone matures, they find that they really don't want to be in the relationship after all. The two people become incompatible over time, or in the case of poor draco-draco synastry, their souls mature and part ways because they no longer be spiritually compatible. Draco-draco shows how the two souls can last in a relationship beyond soul development. If they have good aspects, good conjunctions, similar formations, planets posited in the same signs, it will be easier for the relationship to survive any metamorphoses of the souls.

Harsher aspects mean, as I said, that it will be difficult for the two souls to survive together during any spiritual development for either or both persons. It's difficult because the friction is existing at an almost subconscious level. It isn't the same as natal-draco, where one person is aware of the qualities they are pulling up from the draco person. It's not of this world, on both sides. It feels fated. The little things that go wrong feel fated with poor draco-draco synastry. You both have inherent, deep inner natures that might rub each other the wrong way. Subconscious habits and patterns could bug each other. For example, having Sun square Sun in draco-draco synastry for love is an issue because it shows a clash of basic spiritual identities.

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posted September 15, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks. I'm glad you agree, I feel like important draco-natal connections in synastry will really keep someone bound to the other... sort of like seeing some part of yourself you need to find in someone else. You're just so drawn to that person, because they possess the qualities you have within but can't reach yet. Almost like you just /know/ that being with them feels right... sometimes this feeling can be overwhelming but at other times, it makes you feel like you just need them so much. I think it also runs both ways, for the natal person also. As the natal person in my case, I feel like I can't abandon this person, even if we ever romantically break up - I always want to help guide them somehow, because I can just sense the inner Scorpio traits they carry. I'm the digger, and they're the subject I am excavating.

Soul to soul recognition is such a good description of draco to draco synastry. With d-to-d synastry you would get two souls reuniting or meeting for the first time, you would get two compatible spiritual paths - which is essential especially for romantic unions. When two people have incompatible draco-draco synastry you could say that their spiritual paths are not that compatible... meaning that things in life, natural events, or the development of their souls could pull them apart. This is a very simple but plausible idea. When someone matures, they find that they really don't want to be in the relationship after all. The two people become incompatible over time, or in the case of poor draco-draco synastry, their souls mature and part ways because they no longer be spiritually compatible. Draco-draco shows how the two souls can last in a relationship beyond soul development. If they have good aspects, good conjunctions, similar formations, planets posited in the same signs, it will be easier for the relationship to survive any metamorphoses of the souls.

Harsher aspects mean, as I said, that it will be difficult for the two souls to survive together during any spiritual development for either or both persons. It's difficult because the friction is existing at an almost subconscious level. It isn't the same as natal-draco, where one person is aware of the qualities they are pulling up from the draco person. It's not of this world, on both sides. It feels fated. The little things that go wrong feel fated with poor draco-draco synastry. You both have inherent, deep inner natures that might rub each other the wrong way. Subconscious habits and patterns could bug each other. For example, having Sun square Sun in draco-draco synastry for love is an issue because it shows a clash of basic spiritual identities.


I agree with everything you said. And I must say I am really amazed by your description of draconic contacts in synastry. It is really detailed and very fitting of what I've been experiencing with different people.
Draco to tropical connections seem to play a pivotal role as far as growth within a relationship is concerned. There seems to be such a deep recognition that gets to manifest itself in the daily life since the tropical represents our current reality. I have not yet encountered meaningful relationship between two people that doesn't have at least one significant opposition or conjunction from one person's draconic to the other's tropical. I think you described those links very beautifully and accurately.

Draco to draco synastry has been described as an ongoing soul contract, which in itself sums up the idea and concept of draconic charts very well. I find it to make a lot of sense because if you were to draw a draconic charts with the south node at 0° aries (which then would be a "past oriented" chart) the aspects and connections would remain the same but the signs would change. Now I find that what often gets left out when dealing with draconic charts is the idea of "ongoing" soul contracts, which you perfectly addressed in you post by mentioning this "The two people become incompatible over time, or in the case of poor draco-draco synastry, their souls mature and part ways because they no longer be spiritually compatible". See I have always felt that if the draco to draco synastry was representative of past life bonds and soul contracts, it also had to do with a sort of promise and evolution of the interaction betweeen two people, not the way progressed tropical synastry could enlighten us but as if somehow, over time, people became more aware of these underlying connections and that growth is linked to them.

However I am not sure whether a draco to draco synastry full of hard aspects (mainly squares) could be considered a poor draco synastry. I've been thinking about it and sure, the squares brings with it a lot of challenges and sometimes hurt, but it still remains a connection somehow. It still remains an aspect that shows that both planets share at least something and have to work out their differences. I am not sure about this but maybe the square in draco to draco synastry could be more about lessons learned the hard way. A poor synastry would be one with no significant aspects (no major conjunction or opposition, no major square)

Draconic charts are endlessly fascinating to me. They relate to the nodes and I have always found the nodes to figure prominently in important encounters.

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Very iteresting posts, I really appreciate your insights.

I share strong draco-draco and especially draco-tropical synastry with someone and I am interested particualry in those aspects:
His draconic planets in conjunction with my tropical node axis?

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i dont have much to say except, yes, there is something there with draco synastry. when you feel a soul connection with some one, when someone gives you that feeling of something familiar, look at the draco synastry, you WILL find significant ties there. i started looking into draco synastry when i first heard about it and have been looking into it ever since. there is always very clear evident bonds with people i feel...hard to put...lets just say closer with.

also look up people that you dont feel any soul connection with and you will prob find no significant synastry. I dont have much on it but from what i noticed as a pattern, it is people that are connected to you already through your soul.

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posted September 17, 2012 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 17, 2012 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Very iteresting posts, I really appreciate your insights.

I share strong draco-draco and especially draco-tropical synastry with someone and I am interested particualry in those aspects:
His draconic planets in conjunction with my tropical node axis?


Thank you

As for his draconic planets in conjunction with your tropical nodal axis, I would guess that somehow, your soul growth and spiritual evolution is linked to his. It could play out as; if you follow your nodal path, then you'll be a driving force for him, making him grow in the field that concern the planets involved, making him more in touch and aware of this inner part of himself. But as the draconic is also related to the past, it could also play out as his inner characteristics (at a soul level) will help you reach and follow your growth path in this life.

I should definitely research the nodal axis more. It seems to be very important in synastry, and the draconic chart being linked to it would definitely help my understanding of it.
I am not really sure as to whether there's a possibility someone can escape their nodal path or if it has a fated dimension.

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posted September 19, 2012 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

I guess you are right - recently I've been through transting saturn conjunct my NN and it was deffinetely a time of great learning from each other.
He has tropical opposition between sun/mars and jupiter. In draconic his dr. jupiter conjunct my tropical NN and his dr. sun/mars conjunction is on my SN, where actually is also my natal venus.

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Anyone else noticed a pattern from Tropical Nodes conj./opp. to Draco planets in synastry?

Striking how many times I see this in longterm relationships.

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Anyone else noticed a pattern from Tropical Nodes conj./opp. to Draco planets in synastry?

Striking how many times I see this in longterm relationships.


You really gives me hope - I am so in love with that guy...

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Yes, but I don't give myself that much hope now as I don't have it with mine

The only relationship I came across that didn't have it was of Paul/Linda mccartney but instead they had an exact Tropical Venus conjunct Draco Venus.
Funnily enough I had that also exact with my ex...

There were a lot of pretty exact conjunctions (nodes/draco-planets)I came across but I also counted the ones with a wider orb.

Saturn was also pretty prominent with tight conjunctions/opp's.
Chiron also.


More observations>?

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Here is a list of conjunctions between me and my ex-bf. I thought we were going to get married. Apparently he changed his mind because we're no longer together, but it was a very potent relationship - one of extremes - full of love and working through a lot of anger and issues surrounding healing as you can see from the Chiron aspects. it also felt extremely fated and we had many synchronicities between us. I also had quite a psychic link to him although I am not sure it was quite as strong for him - I ended up knowing things there was no way I could have known, soon after meeting him.

I have only included conjunctions, otherwise the list would go on and on, but I think that the conjunctions (and oppositions) are the most telling anyhow (imo).

My natal MC and his name asteroid conjunct his Draco Moon
My natal Lust conjunct his Draco MC
My natal Valentine conjunct his Draco Uranus
My natal Chiron conjunct his Draco Neptune
My natal Moon/SN conjunct his Draco ASC
My natal Jupiter/Amor conjunct his Draco Union
My natal personal name asteroid, Ceres, POF and Psyche conjunct his Draco Valentine
My natal Mars conjunct his Draco Venus and Eros
My natal Juno conjunct his Draco Sun and Chiron
My natal Vertex conjunct his Draco Isis and my personal name asteroid (in his chart)
My natal NN conjunct his Dr. Psyche and DSC
My natal DSC conjunct his Dr. Mars
My natal Neptune conjunct his Dr. Saturn and POF
My natal Union conjunct his Draco Vertex

His natal Sun conjunct my Draco DSC
His natal Moon conjunct my Draco Chiron
His natal Pluto and Karma conjunct my Draco Jupiter and Eros
His natal personal name asteroid conjunct my Draco Juno
His natal Lust conjunct my Draco Pluto and Karma
His natal ASC conjunct my Draco Saturn
His natal Mercury, Jupiter and Pallas conjunct my Draco Neptune
His natal Psyche conjuncts his Draco name asteroid in my chart

My Draco Lilith conjuncts his Draco Chiron and Pallas
My Draco Chiron conjuncts his Draco Mercury and Jupiter
My Draco Mercury, Osiris and Vesta conjunct his Draco Isis and my personal name asteroid (in his chart)
My Draco Isis conjuncts his Draco Mars
My Draco Anti Vertex conjunct his Draco Mercury and Jupiter
His Draco Vertex conjunct my Draco Saturn

I personally find that in general, looking at the conjunctions between tropical and Draco is more fruitful in terms of what you've been saying about seeing things manifest.

Also, if I start adding in 9th harmonic conjunctions it gets even more interesting.

Another interesting thing to look at is the Draco charts of ex-relationships and seeing what patterns emerge from the charts of those people who have affected you on the deepest levels. For example, in the case of the two men I love the most deeply, both have their Draco Ascendants conjunct my Moon/SN in Taurus. Both have their Draco Junos at the same degree. Both also have their natal Moons at about the same degree in Virgo which conjuncts my Draco Chiron. I find it helpful in that I can then see what my Draco pattern of relating is as well (and ideally try to assess if I'm manifesting it the way I really want to).



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i dont have much to say except, yes, there is something there with draco synastry. when you feel a soul connection with some one, when someone gives you that feeling of something familiar, look at the draco synastry, you WILL find significant ties there. i started looking into draco synastry when i first heard about it and have been looking into it ever since. there is always very clear evident bonds with people i feel...hard to put...lets just say closer with.

also look up people that you dont feel any soul connection with and you will prob find no significant synastry. I dont have much on it but from what i noticed as a pattern, it is people that are connected to you already through your soul.


Exactly........

Thanks EVERYONE for all the wonderful info on this thread!

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