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Topic: Tracking down past lives - draconic Pluto
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Belage
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posted September 15, 2012 05:21 PM
  
I am loving this thread.  To be even more specific, I am going to narrow it down. I looked up the ephemeris for the years around my birthday, and though my natal Pluto is direct, at some point later, it went retro, and went over and passed that same degree while retro and then direct passing over that degree again for the last time. So when I was born, this was not the last time Pluto had gone over that degree. Therefore, I need to find the time when Pluto in Sagg around 1750 went direct for the exact number of time that it was direct when it hit my natal chart. That would point to the really exact date and year I am looking for. Does it make sense? IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 05:32 PM
Oh well, if i start, i can never end, lol.  You don't pay attention to me, i'll just mumble here on my own.But you are very welcome to post your results if you do such a chart! It so interesting! I made up a synastry for Her, and my Love. The guy who has my Moon tied to his SN. So: Her Moon conjunct his DNA and Hyperborea EXACT (!!)
Her Venus is opposite his DNA and Hyperborea EXACT LOL, and also opposite his Memoria by 2.
Her Mars conjunct his Moon EXACT
Her Saturn conjunct his MC EXACT
Her Uranus conjunct his Sun EXACT
Her Pluto opposite his Chiron EXACT
Her SN conjunct his DNA, Hyperborea by 2, and Memoria EXACT! LOL
Her Antivertex conjunct his DNA, Hyperborea EXACT
Her Karma opposite his Venus (my Karma now is conjunct his Venus)
Her Hyperborea conjunct his NN by 1, lol, a DW!
Her Ellison is opposite his Sun
Her ASC is conjunct his SN by a degree. LOL LOL LOL
Her ASC squares his MC EXACT
Freaky.
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Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I am loving this thread. To be even more specific, I am going to narrow it down. I looked up the ephemeris for the years around my birthday, and though my natal Pluto is direct, at some point later, it went retro, and went over and passed that same degree while retro and then direct passing over that degree again for the last time. So when I was born, this was not the last time Pluto had gone over that degree. Therefore, I need to find the time when Pluto in Sagg around 1750 went direct for the exact number of time that it was direct when it hit my natal chart. That would point to the really exact date and year I am looking for. Does it make sense?
yes, it does! And then - you need to manipulate your TOB until you get your draconic Pluto conjunct your past life's Pluto till seconds. That would be your TOB in that life, though. It would be very funny, if no that bunch of coincidences in the charts! :O
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ail221
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posted September 15, 2012 05:36 PM
The location for the date of birth wouldn't be the same though. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
The location for the date of birth wouldn't be the same though.
Ah, right. In my case it is, because i remember it. Lancaster, England. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 05:39 PM
But i think it doesn't make any difference. Because we track down the ASC, it wouldn't change even the degrees, if a place would be changed.. because the degree of ASC is right, no ? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 15, 2012 05:54 PM
Well, the location would change the ASC-degrees a lot actually. At least if your past life did not take place at your current residence.IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, the location would change the ASC-degrees a lot actually. At least if your past life did not take place at your current residence.
Well, yes, you're right. So this option is valid only for those who do remember. But anyway.. it would be an approximate ASC, not too bad either. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 06:22 PM
Another one... it too has important connections! This is synastry of my Love and his supposed past life self.Tight conjunctions/opps only Moons are in the same sign, a few degrees apart. Too wide to count as a conjunction - 8 degrees, but still.
His Mercury conjunct his ex-Saturn and his ex-ASC
His Mars conjunct his ex-Chiron EXACT
His Jupiter is conjunct his ex-Jupiter! OMGF! EXACT!
His Jupiter opposite his ex-Pluto
His Saturn opposite his ex-Sun
His Uranus opposite his ex-Mercury EXACT
His Neptune conjunct his ex-MC
His Pluto conjunct his ex-DSC
His SN conjunct his ex-Karma, ex-Aphrodite
His NN conjunct his ex-Valentine
His Chiron conjunct his ex-Mercury
His Karma conjunct his ex-Chiron EXACT OMG, i had the same aspect, although our supposed birth years were 4 years apart.
His Aphrodite conjunct his ex-Aphrodite EXACT!!! And opposite his ex-Valentine EXACT
His Sun opposite his ex-Memoria
His Angel conjunct his ex-Aphrodite and opposite his ex-Valentine
His Valentine conjunct his ex-DSC EXACT
His Eros conjunct his ex-North Node
His Psyche conjunct his ex-Uranus EXACT
His Hyperborea conjunct his ex-Hyperborea!!! 5 degrees, but i thought it is relevant
His Memoria conjunct his ex-Jupiter EXACT and oppose his ex-Pluto and ex-Eros EXACT ,r Excalibur does all the same.
His ASC conjunct his ex-Vertex EXACT
His MC conjunct his ex-IC EXACT Ah, and his ex-ASC is the same as his now-Sun sign.
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Belage
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posted September 15, 2012 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
3) Take that date, make up a chart. And this is when the seconds come in - correct our birth time in that chart until you get perfect Pluto placement from your Draconic.
Aeline, which software are you using to correct your birth time using Pluto placement from Draconic? IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Aeline, which software are you using to correct your birth time using Pluto placement from Draconic?
Astro.com Manually. I correct it, see the chart, open the pdf and then correct it till it's the same! It's quite a job, but it's worth it. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 15, 2012 06:40 PM
My Draco Pluto is 28°55`05``Using Paris as location (no clue why, but I felt impelled to use it, or actualy Lyon, no idea why), this gives a date of 23rd december 1777 (pretty close to my current birthday of 18th december) The time, Pluto is on 28°55`05`` spans from 1:45 - 1: 58 p.m.
I am using 1:51 p.m.
Very interesting, even the comparision to my tropical. The chart has Pluto conjunct MC, just as I have in my present chart as well, just for that date it was on the very same degree (28 Capricorn). And it is conjunct Juno (hmm, maybe I was having a powerful spouse?). The pl (past life?) chart Chiron is conjunct my present Chiron exactly.
the pl chart had Uranus on 12 Gemini in 1st opposite Venus on 10 Sag in 7th - my present chart (tropical) has Neptune/NN-conjunction on 10 Sag in 1st house!
The pl SN was conjunct Mercury in 8th house - conjunct my tropical Venus-isis-Osiris-Spirit-Guinevere conjunction.
the pl DESC falls near to my present tropical 12th cusp (one degree into the 12th house - and actually 3 minutes earlier it would have been on the same degree). Oh and I just see the pl chart had an exact Eros-Psyche-conjunction on 29 Libra
and also Atlantis-Neptune-conjunction, which I have in my tropical chart as wel. A triple conjunction of Karma-BML-Saturn, falling onto my natal tropical stellium including Siva-Lancelot-Moira-London.
pl Moon conjuncts my tropical DNA by 2 degrees.
Anyway comparison with my Draco
pl Moon opposite Draco Venus (3 degrees)
pl Sun opposite Draco Jupiter
pl Neptune opposite Draco Neptune EXACT on 29Virgo-29 Pisces!
pl NEptune conjunct Draco DESC
pl Neptune opposite Draco Atlantis-Angel
pl Atlantis conjunct Draco DESC exact
pl Atlantis opposite Draco-Neptune-Atlantis pl Pluto-Juno-MC conjunct Draco Pluto-MC pl Eros-Psyche opposite Draco Isis-Osiris pl NN conjunct Draco Juno pl Saturn conjunct Draco Eros-Vertex
EDIT:
BTW if that really is a past life chart I was having a prominent astrotwin, as Csar Alexander I. (the opponent of Napoleon) was born on 23rd december 1777.
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Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 06:48 PM
And some synastry of ex-me and ex-him, because from my memories it was very intense and obsessive, although we never were together as a couple, we both were married but still couldn't separate ourselves. He was married to my sister in that life.What i see is a bunch Pluto contacts! That could explain why it was so intense then and why it's so hard to let go this time. Her Pluto squares his Moon
Her Pluto opposite his Mercury (CR)
His Pluto semisextiles her Sun and Mercury
His Pluto opposite her Moon
His Pluto conjunct her Venus
His Pluto conjunct her NN EXACT Also nodes are active -
His Jupiter conjunct her SN
His Pluto conjunct her NN
His Eros conjunct her NN EXACT (Aha, and this time i have MY Eros on his SN EXACT)
His NN square her Moon EXACT
His NN square her Venus
His SN conjunct her Memoria
His Karma conjunct her Amor EXACT
His Karma conjunct her ASC
Her Saturn is on his IC EXACT
Her Angel is conjunct his Psyche EXACT
Her Hyperborea opposite his Aphrodite EXACT and conjunct his Valentine EXACT
His Aphrodite conjunct her ASC
His Eros opposite her Aphrodite - we share that too. Also her Saturn square his Moon, also we share this too.
His Eros is conjunct her Venus - i see now with all that stuff, why it was so hot and why it continues.
His Psyche conjunct her Moon
His Chiron conjunct my Amor EXACT Holy crap!
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Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 06:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
EDIT:
BTW if that really is a past life chart I was having a prominent astrotwin, as Csar Alexander I. (the opponent of Napoleon) was born on 23rd december 1777.
I have no idea if it's real, but for now i cannot think of the reason why such coincidences would happen! I mean, what are the odds??? IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 06:55 PM
Speaking of the odds.. i made up a composite chart for us two back then. You know what?? Our composite pl-North Node - our path were we should go and lessons to learn as a couple - guess where it is?? In AQUARIUS!!! That's were we both have our NN's in THIS life. How can that be a coincidence? It barely conjuncts his NN in this life. If he has it at 13 degree, then that composite one has NN at 15. How, really? IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 07:02 PM
Belage, where's yours? IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 07:32 PM
My Angel-guy and his pl.His Sun opposes pl.Psyche EXACT
His Sun conjuncts pl. MC
His Moon conjuncts pl.South Node
His Uranus conjuncts his pl.Pluto
His Neptune conjuncts his pl.Karma
His Pluto conjuncts his pl.Sun
His Pluto conjuncts his pl.Mercury
His Pluto conjuncts his pl.Hyperborea
His Nodes are conjunct in the same sign by 7 degrees! That means he still continues the path he started back then!
His Vertex opposite his pl.Sun EXACT
His Vertex conjuncts his pl.DSC EXACT
His Amor conjuncts his pl.SN
His Valentine conjuncts his pl.Sun EXACT
His Hyperborea conjuncts his pl.SN !!!
His Hyperborea conjuncts his pl.Valentine
His Excalibur conjuncts his pl.South Node EXACT With me back then: Her Sun conjuncts his Moon by a degree. We now have that aspect too, though, wider, but still!!
Her Sun opposite his Memoria EXACT
Her Mercury conjuncts his Moon EXACT we have that now too
Her Mercury opposite his Memoria EXACT
Her Mars opposite his Venus
Her Mars conjunct his Uranus EXACT
Her Jupiter conjunct his Sun
Her Jupiter conjunct his ASC EXACT
Her Neptune opposite his Chiron - we have that now too
Her Chiron opposite his Jupiter
Her Aphrodite opposite is Pluto and his Aphrodite
Her Valentine conjunct his Amor EXACT
Her Hyperborea conjunct his NN EXACT
Her ASC conjunct his SN
Her IC conjunct his Angel, haha, i knew it would show itself.
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Belage
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posted September 15, 2012 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
Belage, where's yours?
It's coming, maybe tomorrow. I am using astro.com too, and twinking my chart until I get the exact placement of Pluto will take some time, and I have lots to do today, being Virgo and having the new moon conjunct my sun and all. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 15, 2012 07:53 PM
My close platonic friend, who was also there - he remembers that too. This is by far the best sinchronicity i've seen !His Sun, Moon, Nodes, Venus and ASC are in the same signs as in his present chart!!! His Moon conjuncts his Moon EXACT!!!! And when i say exact, i mean 5 minutes exact!
His Mercury conjuncts his pl.Jupiter
His Venus conjunts his pl.Venus
His Venus opposite his pl.Pluto
His Jupiter conjuncts pl.Psyche
His Saturn opposite pl.Valentine EXACT
His Uranus conjuncts his pl.Pluto
His Chiron conjuncts his pl.Valentine
His Karma opposite his pl.Spirit
His Psyche conjunct his pl.Memoria EXACT - he does remember that life!!!
His Eros opposite his DNA EXACT
His Amor conjunts his pl.Psyche
His Spirit conjuncts his pl.Karma EXACT
His Spirit conjuncts his pl.MC
His Memoria conjuncts his pl. Psyche - a DW!!!!
His Angel conjuncts his pl.DSC
His Spirit conjuncts his pl.MC EXACT And the weirdest thing! His ASC conjuncts his pl. ASC by a degree
His MC conjuncts his pl. MC by a degree! IP: Logged |
Anglerfish
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posted September 16, 2012 04:51 AM
This is fascinating. I can guess why I got a Leo SN and so much Saturn in my natal this life lol... with Sun, Merc, Mars, Venus, Neptune and Asc all in Leo in the chart I made.My draco pluto is in Capricorn... ------------------
12.5% of the planets have 71% of the mass. #OccupyJupiter.
(I'd totally post the pic in my siggy if I could) IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
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posted September 16, 2012 05:40 AM
My Draconic Pluto is 18 Gemini Rx. Gemini Pluto was 1882-1914. I was an Aquarius Scorpio Gemini and the only year that had Aqua Sun with Gemini 18 Rx Pluto was 1904 so I'm guessing that when I was born last.I've always strangely felt like I identified with WWI and felt like I had been there. Who knows, maybe I was there. I would have been 10-14 years old during WWI. Maybe I died during the war or during the Great Depression. But if I lived until ripe old age and died during the 1960s or 1970s... I'm wondering why I didn't get to rest very long before I reincarnated to this life? I was born in the 1980s. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 16, 2012 06:47 AM
I even tracked down my previous previous life - based on the Ellison's draconic! And i'm shocked again! It completely resembles my memories. According to them and to verified person that was living then (unfortunately only her death year is known, but the date i got is very likely!!)So, Ellison's draconic Pluto was in Capricorn, her draconic Sun and much of other stuff being in Pisces. OK! So i found that the last time tr.Pluto was on her Dr. Pluto was 3.03.1587!!! That would make again her Sun sign be Ellison's Draconic Sun sign! And that would make her 57 years old when she passed away - and that's quite good - she didn't die in her own death.
So, Ellison's draconic Sun, Venus in Pisces = Elizabeth's Sun, Venus in Pisces
Ellison's draconic ASC in Scorpio, Elizabeth's ASC in Scorpio!!! OMGF!
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Aeline
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posted September 16, 2012 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
My Draconic Pluto is 18 Gemini Rx. Gemini Pluto was 1882-1914. I was an Aquarius Scorpio Gemini and the only year that had Aqua Sun with Gemini 18 Rx Pluto was 1904 so I'm guessing that when I was born last.I've always strangely felt like I identified with WWI and felt like I had been there. Who knows, maybe I was there. I would have been 10-14 years old during WWI. Maybe I died during the war or during the Great Depression. But if I lived until ripe old age and died during the 1960s or 1970s... I'm wondering why I didn't get to rest very long before I reincarnated to this life? I was born in the 1980s.
Maybe your life ended sooner? Try to make another one with your new draconic chart. IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
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posted September 16, 2012 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
Maybe your life ended sooner? Try to make another one with your new draconic chart.
I don't understand? Make a new one of what from what?
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Aeline
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posted September 16, 2012 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
I don't understand? Make a new one of what from what?
To find your previous previous life. So you make a chart with the exact placement of your draconic Pluto and then do the same for that chart. Like a previous life for that new chart. IP: Logged |
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