posted October 06, 2012 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
I prefer heavy earth and water people.

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I was thinking that if I'd had to choose combination that would appeal on universal scale,Earth/Water would fit the requirements - for women.

posted October 06, 2012 08:07 AM            

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted October 06, 2012 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Most of the people I consider very attractive don't have air in their charts at all (or only one planet).
I would also not count house placements as actual elements because they're not.
I prefer heavy earth and water people. But I think it's more the vibe I get from them. I don't think that astrology has that much influence on looks at all.
I feel like people make up stuff like that to feel better about themselves but whatever if that's what you need....

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i think people make statements like this one to feel better about themselves also . the air signs are not represented by animals (the bull, the goat, the crab ect)
aquarius is the water bearer and is known for having chiseled features and a very human appearence and i think the weirdness just comes from their mannerisms . libra is a balancing scale which means most libras have facial symmetry and are in proportion which is most attractive to humans . Gemini's are represented by the twins and they have child like features which is attractive (theirs a scientific reason im just not bothered to put it down) .

posted October 06, 2012 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I think its safe to say that I think your parents have much more to do with your looks than your chart.

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posted October 06, 2012 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I think its safe to say that I think your parents have much more to do with your looks than your chart.

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You mean...genetics? What a bold idea!!!!

posted October 06, 2012 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
i think people make statements like this one to feel better about themselves also . the air signs are not represented by animals (the bull, the goat, the crab ect)
aquarius is the water bearer and is known for having chiseled features and a very human appearence and i think the weirdness just comes from their mannerisms . libra is a balancing scale which means most libras have facial symmetry and are in proportion which is most attractive to humans .

[...] but air is pretty much more attractive .

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What? What does representation by animals have to do with anything? And a more human appearance?...now you're reaching.

Symmetry is an argument that is often brought up. But no one has explained to me why air and fire are supposedly the ones to have this kind of symmetry. The fact of the matter is that facial symmetry is supposedly linked to "good genes" which hasen't been 100% proven.
The thing is...as an artist who is specialized in drawing portraits I know that symmetrie isn't what makes a beautiful face. It's the Golden ratio which has little to do with actual symmetry. You can use it in landscapes as well.
It is a way of measuring harmony in the face and it can apply to symmetrical as well as to asymmetrical faces. There is a reason why people don't run for the hills every time they see Shannon Doherty's face. Her individual features as well as the distances between them (according to the golden ratio) make her pleasant to look at even though her face is highly asymmetrical.
Most (pseudo)scientific studies use the ratio and then call it symmetry....even though it isn't. I wished more people would look into these things.

I have seen just as many faces that have fit the criteria from air heavy people as from water heavy people. That is not what distinguishes them.
I know that I could have saved my breath so to say, because you're already dead-set on your opinion that air people are always more attractive. Which is your opinion and that's fine. They seem to be the most beautiful to you. But they're not to everyone, they don't have a monopoly on proportion or symmetry. Beauty is linked to health and the presumption that air is more beautiful would also mean that they're always the most healthy which I have never heard anyone claim before.

Also if you want to go the scientific route then go it all the way. Don't half ass it.
Science has debunked Astrology more than once.

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Scientific appraisal

Astrology is a pseudoscience[49][50]:1350 that has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity.[51][52]:85

The majority of professional astrologers rely on performing astrology-based personality tests and making relevant predictions about the remunerators future.[52]:83
Those who continue to have faith in astrology have been characterized as doing so "in spite of the fact that there is no verified scientific basis for their beliefs, and indeed that there is strong evidence to the contrary."[53] Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson commented on astrological belief, noting that "part of knowing how to think is knowing how the laws of nature shape the world around us. Without that knowledge, without that capacity to think, you can easily become a victim of people who seek to take advantage of you".[54]

The former astrologer, and scientist, Geoffrey Deans and psychologist Ivan Kelly[55] conducted a large scale scientific test, involving more than one hundred cognitive, behavioral, physical and other variables, but found no support for astrology.[56]
Furthermore, a meta-analysis was conducted pooling 40 studies consisting of 700 astrologers and over 1000 birth charts. Ten of the tests, which had a total of 300 participants, involved subjects picking the correct chart interpretation out of a number of others which were not the astrologically correct chart interpretation (usually 3 to 5 others). When the date and other obvious clues were removed no significant results were found to suggest there was any preferred chart.[56]:190

A further test involved 45 confident[a] astrologers, with an average of 10 years experience and 160 participants (out of an original sample size of 1198 participants) who strongly favoured certain characteristics in the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire to extremes.[56]:191 The astrologers performed much worse than merely basing decisions off the individuals age, and much worse than 45 control subjects who did not use birth charts at all.[b][56]:191

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posted October 07, 2012 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:

I can still enjoy it but if you'd ask me at gunpoint I would always go with science. I have days when astrology seems so silly to me. It is really a struggle.
And these half-baked claims made on here that have no way to back themselves up don't help either. Telling others it is so because you say that it is so is not how you prove a theory. If someone comes in with 'evidence' (I use the word loosely in this context) to the contrary and you have to twist the whole theory to make it fit then there is no reason for me to believe that you had any evidence at all.
And yes, when it comes to the physical I am inclined to be more critical. Because the physical (as opposed to the character of a person) is subject to the laws of physics. DNA, exterior conditions, etc.
If you wanna tell me how that is related to a random assortment of signs please go ahead. I'm still waiting for an answer that does more than tell me a believe you personally hold.
Astrology should stay in the field of personality characteristics and not venture out into realms where actual evidence has to be delivered. Because I can see the failure right here in this thread and it makes astrology look ridiculous.

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Why do you care so much ? I can half ass all i like since when are you the boss of me ?

If you think threads like this make astrology look so ridiculous there should be an x button on your computer somewhere .

I personally believe that air equates to beauty , its my belief im a taurus so you can't change that !

posted October 07, 2012 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:

Why do you care so much ? I can half ass all i like since when are you the boss of me ?

If you think threads like this make astrology look so ridiculous there should be an x button on your computer somewhere .

I personally believe that air equates to beauty , its my belief im a taurus so you can't change that !

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Did you even read it? I guess not.
My point is if you want to argue with me in the first place do it right. But I see that you are not able to. My mission wasn't to change your opinion - as I wrote before. You were the one dismissing others opinions and stating yours as fact.

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im not saying earth and water signs are ugly . Virgo the virgin ruled by mercury they pretty much have the same look just in a different way . but air is pretty much more attractive .

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Yes you're half-assing, twisting your own words and on top of that present to me some pseudoscientific proof that you read somewhere without properly looking into it.

My problem with this whole thing (and I've had arguments like this over other things on here and other astrology forums way before you even signed up) is of course not anything you have to concern yourself with. But I can get riled up over things if I want to. You didn't have to adress me and you still did. So why do you care so much?

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im not having the science argument with you , becaused im not arsed and i don't want to stoop to your level .

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Hm, yes I see. I wouldn't want you to "stoop" on the level of science because, obviously, that is beyond your reach. As is the proper use of spelling and punctuation in what is, I presume, your native language.
I hope your Mercury isn't in Gemini because this would be a good argument against its intellectual prowess.

posted October 07, 2012 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Hm, yes I see. I wouldn't want you to "stoop" on the level of science because, obviously, that is beyond your reach. As is the proper use of spelling and punctuation in what is, I presume, your native language.
I hope your Mercury isn't in Gemini because this would be a good argument against its intellectual prowess.

I'm out of here. Go on with your "factual" arguments.

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who cares ? think what you like . your wrong but think what you like ? i didn't say a thing to anyone else but you . Having arguments over the internet is pathetic .

posted October 07, 2012 11:44 AM            

I remember there was a beauty contest held in our high school , the top 5 - I did their chart just now - had at least 3 placements in Air signs ( mostly Gemini )

Don't throw eggs at me ... I'm fire dominant.

posted October 07, 2012 11:59 AM            

Kylie Minogue,Wallis Simpson - Air-heavy.

Air = refinement,simplify & moderation,elegance - very appealing in general.

posted October 07, 2012 12:45 PM            

There are of course some beautiful people with air heavy charts but like I said, Cindy Crawford is water dominant, Linda Evangelista is earth dominant, as is Lara Stone. These women are models, their job is to be beautiful. Air dominance does not always mean beauty. More to do with Ascendant and Venus (I think there was also a correlation between beauty and the asteroid Aphrodite).

posted October 07, 2012 01:01 PM            

The best people in photography/film have significant Neptune.

"Trends" that shaped new era of (super)models can be subscribed to Nep in Cap alone.