posted September 18, 2012 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
oops deleted the other word overly cuddled and coddled. I don't like being babied in a relationship; I like affection and being given nice things but if this is suppose to be a partnership I don't need to be monitored or babied like a child I am grown woman.

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posted September 18, 2012 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
My Vertex is in Aqua 22, i don't know what it's effects could be. It's like - i notice it when activated, but otherwise not Aqua traits, not Uranus doesn't play any role for me, my real DSC does.

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posted September 18, 2012 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by JLyn ~:
Yes it effects my choice of partners.
Get this, I have virgo vertex AND virgo descendant 7th.
the man of my interested at the moment? he has virgo sun/mercury/venus/pluto (big time virgo)

The new moon virgo that we all feeling tonight is activating my (vertex) and his (pluto) conjuction only 1* from the moon, our relationship went from skiing smooth holding tight to "seeing it more clearly" not to sure now. It's scaring me!

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So clearly, one way or another your relationship are Virgoan in nature Now I'm curious about where your Juno is located.

posted September 20, 2012 06:49 AM            

Yes, it refers to meaningful twists of fate and all that. But I've also noticed that it does seem to show a part of our attraction pattern. I've noticed this with both the Vertex and the Anitvertex, by sign and ruler.

posted September 20, 2012 07:05 AM            

I just wanted to make a post: "where is Lotiswhite? That is totally HER subject."
Guess you were faster, Lotiswhite!

posted September 21, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

I just wanted to make a post: "where is Lotiswhite? That is totally HER subject."
Guess you were faster, Lotiswhite!

BTW Kevin Burke sais the same about the Vertex indicating subconscious attractions, and at least for myself it seems to fit.

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Lol.

posted September 21, 2012 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Lotis and Ceridwen,

I agree that there is definitely an element of unconsciousness/unpredictability associated with the Vertex but I'm wondering if, in a natal chart, it might indicate the type of relationship we are looking for as well. While the DSC is indicative of the qualities of the person, I wonder if the Vertex might be indicative of the qualities of the relationship itself. Sort of like synastry vs composite.

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Hi Sorcha!

To tell you the truth I think that both the Dsc and the Vertex Axis refer to both the personality qualities we look for and the situations/relationship style we look for.

I’ll use my own natal as an example.

I’ve got a Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Sag, with Jupiter in the 7th house… I look for relationships that have exciting intellectual stimulation, and fun banter in them… This is an integral part of my ‘vision of love’… Along with this, I like outgoing, talkative, funny guys that can make me laugh, and have a silly, humorous side as well as a deep thinking, intelligent side. My Dsc is very conscious in that I knew from an early age that this is my ’type’ so to speak.

I’ve got a Taurus Vertex/Scorpio Antivertex with Uranus conjunct my Scorpio Antivertex. As I’ve moved on in life I’ve started to notice that along with all the ’fun’ of my Dsc energy, I also need stability (Taurus) and deep emotional intimacy and trust (Scorpio). My Uranus aspecting the Vertex seems to symbolize my recognition fact that I need someone that has the same social aspirations as myself, and who shares my quirky interests… Along with this I often find myself attracted to those with personal planets actually in the signs Taurus, Scorpio, and Aquarius… I find the fixed quality of these signs extremely attractive, because they function like an anchor for me that I can lean on. I love the consistent energy of these fixed signs, and Aqua to me is like the perfect balance of lasting friendship and surprises.

So yeah, basically I see the Vertex Axis as well as the Dsc as both describing characteristics that we like, and relationship styles that we like. I think the difference between the Dsc and the Vertex lies more in the ’flavor’ that they bring to a relationship than anything else.

Dsc tends to symbolize who we feel ‘completes’ us in the sense that the have qualities that we admire, like, and may feel we lack within ourselves. The Dsc type of person/relationship opens up our affectionate nature and tends to makes us feel as if we just want to ‘be’ or co-exist with someone… Like we just want to drink in their very being and incorporate it into our lives. Like we want to make this person/relationship a focal point for us.

The Vertex Axis shows who we feel has changed our life forever, and shaped who we are due to their influence. The Vertex type of person/relationship feels fated and meaningful as if we’re experiencing something we were destined to be a part of, something special and defining…. The Vertex Axis active in relationships often shows up as crazy synchronistic coincidences between you and the other person that make it seem as if you were made for each other, and were meant to be together. The Vertex Axis shows what relationships and people are able to offer the qualities/experiences that we have secretly longed for, and needed, yet may not have even realized that we did so, or how much we did so, until we experienced it.

To summarize, my take is…

The Dsc = Feelings of completion and affection, and desiring to have union and direct exchanges with another. Our conscious, obvious relationship needs and objectives.

The Vertex Axis = Feelings of fatedness, and having a meaningful connection with another. Our unconscious relationship needs and objectives and how we are awakened to/made aware of these.

posted September 21, 2012 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by 3333:
My vertex is in Scorpio and i have my sun and mercury in scorpio!I think the ruler of my vertex is Pluto in Sagittarius in 5th house,well I love adventure and travels a lot,but I don't know if I can also count Mars as the ruling planet of my vertex or not?

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posted September 21, 2012 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Pluto in Sag? You must be very young.

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posted September 23, 2012 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Sorcha!

To tell you the truth I think that both the Dsc and the Vertex Axis refer to both the personality qualities we look for and the situations/relationship style we look for.

To summarize, my take is…

The Dsc = Feelings of completion and affection, and desiring to have union and direct exchanges with another. Our conscious, obvious relationship needs and objectives.

The Vertex Axis = Feelings of fatedness, and having a meaningful connection with another. Our unconscious relationship needs and objectives and how we are awakened to/made aware of these.

The Dsc and the Vertex Axis show different flavors of relationship requirements… And these apply to both relationship style preferences, and taste in personality. Both show what you look for in a ‘synastry’ and as well as ‘composite’ way. They just show different facets or levels of what your needs are. Our obvious relationship needs, and our hidden relationship needs.

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Lotis,

I like your take on it and it makes a lot of sense to me. It's weird, but in my own chart, I can only identify so far with my Libra Vertex being indicative of my relationship needs as opposed to who I am attracted to...but the fact that my Vertex is at an anaretic degree makes me wonder if that has something to do with it...?

I am very attracted to Scorpio energy (I have NN there) and although I have loved the Libras in my life, I rarely choose a man who has Libra planets. (Two of them have had Venus in Libra but I tend to go for men whose Venuses square/oppose my own). I suppose if I take in to consideration that the two greatest loves of my life had at least 2 planets in their 7th house then perhaps that would explain it a little more. I'm definitely going to be mulling this over for a while I'm sure, especially since I am at the tail-end (hopefully) of an identity crisis. Maybe once it's over the Libra aspects will be more prevalent in terms of who i find attractive

posted September 23, 2012 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Lotis,

I like your take on it and it makes a lot of sense to me. It's weird, but in my own chart, I can only identify so far with my Libra Vertex being indicative of my relationship needs as opposed to who I am attracted to...but the fact that my Vertex is at an anaretic degree makes me wonder if that has something to do with it...?

I am very attracted to Scorpio energy (I have NN there) and although I have loved the Libras in my life, I rarely choose a man who has Libra planets. (Two of them have had Venus in Libra but I tend to go for men whose Venuses square/oppose my own). I suppose if I take in to consideration that the two greatest loves of my life had at least 2 planets in their 7th house then perhaps that would explain it a little more. I'm definitely going to be mulling this over for a while I'm sure, especially since I am at the tail-end (hopefully) of an identity crisis. Maybe once it's over the Libra aspects will be more prevalent in terms of who i find attractive

Thanks for such a long and detailed response. Muchly appreciated!

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The Vertex works at both ends for attraction... That means that both Libra and Aries would work for you in a 'Vertex' kind of way.

posted September 30, 2012 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
My Vertex is in Aqua 22, i don't know what it's effects could be. It's like - i notice it when activated, but otherwise not Aqua traits, not Uranus doesn't play any role for me, my real DSC does.

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here's a way it can be interpreted:

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You are expected to deal with all kinds of people, even those you feel you cannot tolerate. People want you to develop enough detachment to rise above individual pettiness so you see your peers not as strangers, but as "brothers." You can grow through developing true individuality, unfettered by peer group pressures. You need to accept the idea that you are one among equals. Doing these things may help you avoid feelings of superiority. You are not too important to bother with being a friend. You will learn to overcome your own ego.

Not accomplishing the above tasks may mean that you become the object of intolerant treatment from any group you are prejudiced against. You may be blocked by those you oppose, simply because they decline to create the future openings you need. Accomplishments become meaningless, and the impact you hope to make on the world falls well short of your expectations.

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...and here's a link to the source for other interested:
http://www.auxmaillesgodefroy.com/the_vertex

...shows interpretation both for houses, signs and planetary aspects (natal, progression and transits) but you might find a better interpretation here:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/vertexsignshousesaspects.html

posted September 30, 2012 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The Vertex works at both ends for attraction... That means that both Libra and Aries would work for you in a 'Vertex' kind of way.

Also the Vertex moves very fast, so if your birthtime is even a little later then what you thought, I could very well be on the Scorpio/Taurus axis. A difference of even a minuet or two could change the Vertex sign if it's at a late degree... Maybe if you play around with your chart on Astro.com a little, to see when after you official birthtime the Vertex changes signs, you can gauge how likely it is that your Vertex Axis is in Scorpio/Taurus. Conjunctions and oppositions to the Vertex Axis from others are extremely potent... But I've found that any aspect to the Vertex has an effect. Finding people with either the Vertex or Antivertex sign (sometimes both) strong in their chart to be significant for you is also pretty common.

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Hi Lotis,

Just saw your reply today. I actually have a written record of my birth time so I think it's pretty accurate however I see what you're saying and the Taurus/Scorpio axis would make sense in many ways.

I have my NN in Scorpio though with my Moon conjunct SN in Taurus in H12 and I think that accounts for a lot of the energy of those signs in my life.

My last relationship was with an Aries actually - the one sign I truly never thought I would even date and I ended up wanting to marry him. I have Chiron conjunct my anti vertex and even though Chiron is at Taurus 1, My relationship with my ex Aries was a truly Chironic affair. (Also, my anti vertex conjuncts the rulers of his 1st and 7th house which are also conjunct)

Also, that Libran balance is where I find my happiest states of being so it has always made sense to me that it's in Libra, especially at an anaretic degree. I sort of feel like it's a crucial aspect of my development.

Having said all that, I just had Saturn pass by my Vertex for round 3 after trampling over it 2x in the past 6 -8 (?) months and nothing happened during this last pass over it, unlike the former 2 times. So it did make me wonder. But maybe I learned the lesson I needed to learn the first 2 times. (fingers crossed)

posted September 30, 2012 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Hi Lotis,

Just saw your reply today. I actually have a written record of my birth time so I think it's pretty accurate however I see what you're saying and the Taurus/Scorpio axis would make sense in many ways.

I have my NN in Scorpio though with my Moon conjunct SN in Taurus in H12 and I think that accounts for a lot of the energy of those signs in my life.

My last relationship was with an Aries actually - the one sign I truly never thought I would even date and I ended up wanting to marry him. I have Chiron conjunct my anti vertex and even though Chiron is at Taurus 1, My relationship with my ex Aries was a truly Chironic affair. (Also, my anti vertex conjuncts the rulers of his 1st and 7th house which are also conjunct)

Also, that Libran balance is where I find my happiest states of being so it has always made sense to me that it's in Libra, especially at an anaretic degree. I sort of feel like it's a crucial aspect of my development.

Having said all that, I just had Saturn pass by my Vertex for round 3 after trampling over it 2x in the past 6 -8 (?) months and nothing happened during this last pass over it, unlike the former 2 times. So it did make me wonder. But maybe I learned the lesson I needed to learn the first 2 times. (fingers crossed)

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posted October 01, 2012 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Lotis,

Well, the ruler of my 7th (Jupiter) is in my 12th and the ruler of my 12th is Mars. That's probably why...I think.

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