posted September 19, 2012 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
Smilingheart,

I have been thinking alot about what you said in the other Virgo thread.

You are unlike anyother Virgo I have enountered and, I must admit, quite refreshing.

A half a century of a very negative Virgo mother will have consequences on a very sensitive Pisces soul.

You have very valid points, and I will respect any future opinions I read of yours.

t~~~

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Aw, thanks. That means a lot.
I'm trying to remember that not all Virgos are like me or necessarily think like me.
Reading about so many bad experiences people had makes me think that even though I have many Virgo planets I might not be the "pure" Virgo I thought I was.
And that makes it very hard to talk as an authority on your own sign. I will observe the Virgos around me a bit to see what I might discover.

posted September 19, 2012 04:33 PM            

As many people that have bad experiences with virgos theirs a thousand more that has had good experiences with us. Although the standard zodiac description is pretty grim of virgo, if you do some deep searching you'll find how much more interesting, powerful, and beautiful this sign can really be. You dont have to be an Impure Virgo just to have good traits or be open minded

posted September 19, 2012 09:51 PM            

Fiery Aries people feel comfortable with Mars's fiery energy.

Taurus earthiness is at home with Venus' sensual nature.

Airy Geminis are in their elements with the quicksilver quality of Mercury.

Leo's fire goes well with the sun's.

Scorpio's wateriness and secretivness is an excellent receptacle for the deep emotional nature of Pluto.

Fiery Sagg goes well with Jupiter's expansiveness.

Earthy and somber capricorn goes well with the stodginess and stability of Saturn.

Airy Aquarius handles Uranus's flashes of lighting pretty well.

Watery Pisces goes well with Neptune, god of the sea.

That leaves us with Libra and Virgo.

Virgo's earthiness is not very at ease with the mercurial and air-like qualities of Mercury. Earth and Earth mix well. Earth and water mix well. Earth and air, hmmm, not so well. As a Virgo, I find mercurial things a bit unbalancing. I always have to find a way to ground myself because my body's energy feels off. And this seems to be true of all the Virgos I know. They need to do something down to earth to stay balanced. Otherwise, they fall prey to all the stereotypes of Virgo, which are really a manifestation of the negative aspects of Mercury.

I truly believe Mercury is not Virgo's True ruler.

posted September 19, 2012 10:18 PM            

Aries is fire Mars and Scorpio is water Mars.
Taurus is earth Venus and Libra is air Venus.
Gemini is air Mercury and Virgo is earth Mercury.
Watery Cancer is ruled by the Moon.
Fiery Leo is ruled by the Sun.
Sagittarius is fire Jupiter and Pisces is water Jupiter.
Capricorn is earth Saturn and Aquarius is air Saturn.

With the exception of Sun and Moon, the rest of the planets ruling 2 signs actually makes sense because each of those planets have "two sides" to them that illustrates the planet's "personality."

Mars' fighting nature is both honorably fiery (Aries) and vengefully watery (Scorpio). Jupiter's philosophical persona has much to do with being persistently fiery (Sagittarius) as it is forgivingly watery (Pisces). Luxurious earth Venus love beauty and comfort (Taurus) and refined air Venus enjoys admiration and being worshipped (LIbra). Well, Mercury is no different.

I think technically, Mercury is airy and quicksilvery like a Gemini. However, given the nature of Mercury that if you placed Mercury in an earth sign, Mercury does become naggy and nitpicky like Virgo. Mercury in air is free and a bit of a loose cannon with their words and lack of concern for consequences. Mercury occupying earth makes him a naggy perfectionist neat freak, but nonetheless, still really intelligent.

posted September 19, 2012 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I think for a planet to be a sign's true ruler, it has to make the sign feel like, Ahhh, I can really be myself with you.

Fiery Aries people feel comfortable with Mars's fiery energy.

Taurus earthiness is at home with Venus' sensual nature.

Airy Geminis are in their elements with the quicksilver quality of Mercury.

Leo's fire goes well with the sun's.

Scorpio's wateriness and secretivness is an excellent receptacle for the deep emotional nature of Pluto.

Fiery Sagg goes well with Jupiter's expansiveness.

Earthy and somber capricorn goes well with the stodginess and stability of Saturn.

Airy Aquarius handles Uranus's flashes of lighting pretty well.

Watery Pisces goes well with Neptune, god of the sea.

That leaves us with Libra and Virgo.

Virgo's earthiness is not very at ease with the mercurial and air-like qualities of Mercury. Earth and Earth mix well. Earth and water mix well. Earth and air, hmmm, not so well. As a Virgo, I find mercurial things a bit unbalancing. I always have to find a way to ground myself because my body's energy feels off. And this seems to be true of all the Virgos I know. They need to do something down to earth to stay balanced. Otherwise, they fall prey to all the stereotypes of Virgo, which are really a manifestation of the negative aspects of Mercury.

I truly believe Mercury is not Virgo's True ruler.

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Brilliant post. Thank you Belage!

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posted September 20, 2012 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I think for a planet to be a sign's true ruler, it has to make the sign feel like, Ahhh, I can really be myself with you.

Fiery Aries people feel comfortable with Mars's fiery energy.

Taurus earthiness is at home with Venus' sensual nature.

Airy Geminis are in their elements with the quicksilver quality of Mercury.

Leo's fire goes well with the sun's.

Scorpio's wateriness and secretivness is an excellent receptacle for the deep emotional nature of Pluto.

Fiery Sagg goes well with Jupiter's expansiveness.

Earthy and somber capricorn goes well with the stodginess and stability of Saturn.

Airy Aquarius handles Uranus's flashes of lighting pretty well.

Watery Pisces goes well with Neptune, god of the sea.

That leaves us with Libra and Virgo.

Virgo's earthiness is not very at ease with the mercurial and air-like qualities of Mercury. Earth and Earth mix well. Earth and water mix well. Earth and air, hmmm, not so well. As a Virgo, I find mercurial things a bit unbalancing. I always have to find a way to ground myself because my body's energy feels off. And this seems to be true of all the Virgos I know. They need to do something down to earth to stay balanced. Otherwise, they fall prey to all the stereotypes of Virgo, which are really a manifestation of the negative aspects of Mercury.

I truly believe Mercury is not Virgo's True ruler.

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BRILLANT I agree!!!

This is why I have an issue with it and my reasons for I have already stated re: the mental aspect of Mercury.

posted September 20, 2012 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
"I'm trying to remember that not all Virgos are like me or necessarily think like me.
Reading about so many bad experiences people had makes me think that even though I have many Virgo planets I might not be the "pure" Virgo I thought I was."

As many people that have bad experiences with virgos theirs a thousand more that has had good experiences with us. Although the standard zodiac description is pretty grim of virgo, if you do some deep searching you'll find how much more interesting, powerful, and beautiful this sign can really be. You dont have to be an Impure Virgo just to have good traits or be open minded

Most Virgo's I know are open minded and fun loving just not in a wild or dangerous way.

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I agree with you exactly and as I said (somewhere ) that IF I am going to keep up this thing with my Virgo bfriend, then I must learn!

I will say that Virgo men are way different than Virgo women. I think the men can tend to live the more negative attributes of Virgo than the women cause Virgo IS a femanine sign afterall, and I have often said that I have noticed that men who are born under a femanine sign often have trouble with their softer sides.

My Virgo mother, as much as she was not a very good mother when I was younger, she is now at 74. She finally lets go and and gets to know her trippy little Pisces girl more than she ever did~

t~~~

posted September 20, 2012 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I think for a planet to be a sign's true ruler, it has to make the sign feel like, Ahhh, I can really be myself with you.

Fiery Aries people feel comfortable with Mars's fiery energy.

Taurus earthiness is at home with Venus' sensual nature.

Airy Geminis are in their elements with the quicksilver quality of Mercury.

Leo's fire goes well with the sun's.

Scorpio's wateriness and secretivness is an excellent receptacle for the deep emotional nature of Pluto.

Fiery Sagg goes well with Jupiter's expansiveness.

Earthy and somber capricorn goes well with the stodginess and stability of Saturn.

Airy Aquarius handles Uranus's flashes of lighting pretty well.

Watery Pisces goes well with Neptune, god of the sea.

That leaves us with Libra and Virgo.

Virgo's earthiness is not very at ease with the mercurial and air-like qualities of Mercury. Earth and Earth mix well. Earth and water mix well. Earth and air, hmmm, not so well. As a Virgo, I find mercurial things a bit unbalancing. I always have to find a way to ground myself because my body's energy feels off. And this seems to be true of all the Virgos I know. They need to do something down to earth to stay balanced. Otherwise, they fall prey to all the stereotypes of Virgo, which are really a manifestation of the negative aspects of Mercury.

I truly believe Mercury is not Virgo's True ruler.

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posted September 22, 2012 10:08 AM            

OP,

posted September 22, 2012 10:59 AM            

Venus rules Taurus and Libra. Taurus is the beauty than can be touched like food, clothes etc. Libra is the beauty untouched like love, romance, elegance and grace. Aphrodite represents the beauty as a whole. She was the perfect beauty, she needed to rule over both worlds/spaces.

Mars rules Aries and Scorpio. Aries is about the action. Scorpio is about sensuality. Mars was both full of action and sensual. (remember Ares from Xena The Warrior Princess? Take him as a perfect model of Mars) Mars is both conqueror, warrior but full of passion, power and sensuality god.

Jupiter rules Sagittarius and Pisces. Known as the most benefic planet, Jupiter was the king of gods or the god of sky. Therefore he ruled over the entire world and over all creatures.

posted September 22, 2012 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Nope. Mercury IT IS Virgo's true ruler. But while Mercury rules Gemini in the AIR bussiness like intellect and comunication, Mercury rules Virgo ON EARTH bussiness like organization, perfection and order. Gemini is the opposite of Virgo regarding the way Mercury rules over them. Gemini are a mess on Earth but they are are bright in the air. Virgo are the opposite. Are organized but not so bright and quick as the first mentioned. Gemini with some exceptions of course are brilliant regarding intelligence. Virgo are too but not like Geminis. Mercury is the messenger but he cannot be a messenger only in the air. He isnt doing his job part time. Therefore he needs to rule over both Earth and Air. So Virgo has to be his assistent on Earth and Gemini in the air.
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This is why I believe my Gemini Sun husband and me a Virgo sun get on so well. I realize we are squared signs...but it often feels more like we are opposites filling each others blind spots.

Ps. I just did a post on Mercury and I hadnt seen this post either! Must be in the air or on the earth I guess! Lol! Hahaha!

posted September 23, 2012 01:43 AM            

Technically Virgo's secondary ruler is the asteroid Vesta.

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Vesta is a minor planet or asteroid which orbits the Sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. It is the third largest asteroid within the asteroid belt and has a diameter of 503 km and an average distance from the Sun of 353.4 million km.

The asteroid takes its name from the Roman goddess Vesta (Greek: Hestia). Hestia was the oldest child of Rhea and Kronos (Saturn). Her brothers were Zeus (Jupiter), Poseidon (Neptune) and Hades (Pluto), her sisters Demeter (Ceres) and Hera (Juno). Hestia was very popular among the Olympian gods. Apollo, Poseidon and others tried to gain her affection but she decided to live a life of chastity. She was the most modest of Rhea's and Kronos' children and became the goddess of hearth and home. Vesta is hardly mentioned in Greek mythology.

Vesta stands for service in the name of a higher cause which promises a great degree of independence if an individual is completely devoted. Although Vesta must submit to laws in the general public interest and bears great responsibility, she is able to recognise freedom within these boundaries. For this reason, Vesta has a close relationship with nature and natural laws and some astrologers see a connection between Vesta and modern ecological awareness which tries to respect the laws of nature and knows that respecting these means living in true freedom.

In the natal chart, Vesta's position shows where it is wise to search for our uniqueness not by fulfilling personal desires, but by their apparent renouncement in the name of a greater cause which will allow us to experience our individuality on a deeper level. What matters is the inner centre, the inner fire.

Vesta also highlights "the need to reintegrate spiritual and sexual energies".

Vesta appears to have an affinity to both Virgo and Scorpio and might have its domicile or be exalted in one of these signs.

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posted January 26, 2016 02:48 AM            

Mercury is an air planet (very intellectual, witty and fickle - perfect for Gemini), Venus is an earth planet (sensual, down to earth, romantic - perfect for Taurus). It makes me sad how Virgo is portrayed as a boring librarian and Libra as an empty-headed artist. These archetypes are forced and not accurate at all in my opinion. Virgo is a feminine mutable earth sign, and Libra is a masculine cardinal air sign. They deserve rulers that fit them well.

That is why I think that Ceres rules Virgo and Pallas rules Libra.

Ceres (Roman name)/Demeter (Greek name) was the goddess of harvest, agriculture, motherhood, grain. http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Ceres

posted January 26, 2016 05:58 PM            

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I can relate to either Chiron or Ceres as Virgo's ruler. Mercury never felt right to me either.

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posted January 26, 2016 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I apply dual planetary rulership to each sign in my system. I use Ceres as Virgo's main ruler and Mercury as Virgo's sub-ruler.

Seems to work well for me.

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posted January 26, 2016 09:29 PM            

So we have Vesta, Chiron, Ceres, Vulcan, Mercury

posted January 26, 2016 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
I think that Mercury has something to do with Virgo as far as intellect & communication but I don't think the planet rules over Virgo. It's Gemini's true ruler.

Planets I think influence Virgo and why:

Pluto: In the myth Persephone(one of the goddesses to represent Virgo) was abducted by Hades and taken into the underworld and became queen of the underworld. If Hades is Pluto & Persephone is his queen then that directly should give pluto some influence over Virgo. The difference between scorpio's plutonian influence and virgo's is that pluto's energy isn't repressed in scorpio. it's exhualted and fueled by the some say co ruler Mars. With Virgo I think it would influence it with it's dark & sexual side which all virgos have that is repressed until it is bought out.transformation and death and rebirth is also something for pluto...summer changes into autumn in virgo. also fertility..the season of virgo is when all the crops are ripe.

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Persephone isn't the goddess that represents Virgo. Persephone herself is the goddess of the underworld. Demeter (her mother) is the goddess of grains and the earth. Virgo is depicted by a woman with a grain sheath, so technically Demeter is actually the goddess that represents Virgo.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, Virgos are so very intellectual and intelligent, which I feel can definitely be attributed to belonging to Mercury. At the same time, part of me wants to believe that the the ruler of Virgo hasn't been discovered yet.

posted January 27, 2016 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I do enjoy being around Scorpios, but I don't think we share similar energy.

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I think we share a certain intensity in our presence, a bit like a dark cloud at times. But we're much better at mothering / healing / caretaking than Scorps. More like Cancers in that regard. But Cancers remind me of moms that martyr themselves then guilt trip you. Virgos are like nagging mothers that make sure you brush your teeth before bed.