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hannaramaa
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posted September 19, 2012 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is obsessed with who in moon conjunct pluto synastry aspect? Pluto?

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posted September 19, 2012 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it could go either way, depending on both peoples natal/transits...

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posted September 19, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Who is obsessed with who in moon conjunct pluto synastry aspect? Pluto?

Man... Moon-Pluto conjunct, especially with a 0 degree orb, is INTENSE. It is all around intensity and obsession. It is usually the Pluto person who feels like they are absolutely obsessed with keeping tabs on, sometimes controlling the feelings and sentiments of the Moon. The Moon, since it is a more vulnerable and feminine planet, can feel overwhelmed by Pluto's looming shadow, the way they can make up anything at anytime even the stupidest reasons for them to spend time together, how they seem to be a subtle but controlling force. Yet the Moon might feel absolutely empty when Pluto pulls away, and if the Moon pulls away first, then Pluto goes into often a serious depression and rage.

All in all, it has a potential to be extremely nurturing and can add a weird sense of nurturing in sex and love. This aspect is one that bonds and puts two people in for the long run. All Pluto wants to do at its most compassionate side is protect and shelter the Moon, the other person's heart. They want to probe and dig deep and get all of their emotions out on display so they can understand them, heal them. Moon feels secure like Pluto is 'safe' since it sticks around no matter how weird their feelings get, no matter how messed up the Moon feels.

There will be indicators in the natal chart to how easily the Moon can handle it. If the Moon falls in Scorpio or has natal Moon-Pluto aspects perhaps they won't subconsciously be as disturbed or fearful of the Plutonian digging influence. The Moon is going to feel the obsession more from the Pluto person and notice right away when it gets weird, while Pluto might feel that their obsession isn't weird at all... or can't even see that it is an obsession, only feels they are drawn to watching over the Moon. So both can feel it pretty powerfully.

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posted September 19, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was great s.scorpio...
Let me ask u whats the difference with moon/pluto in synastry verses in composite..

In the composite how can u tell who feels what?
Do u think the female would then feel the moon part of it?
Or it's equal with both?

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posted September 19, 2012 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Man... Moon-Pluto conjunct, especially with a 0 degree orb, is INTENSE. It is all around intensity and obsession. It is usually the Pluto person who feels like they are absolutely obsessed with keeping tabs on, sometimes controlling the feelings and sentiments of the Moon. The Moon, since it is a more vulnerable and feminine planet, can feel overwhelmed by Pluto's looming shadow, the way they can make up anything at anytime even the stupidest reasons for them to spend time together, how they seem to be a subtle but controlling force. Yet the Moon might feel absolutely empty when Pluto pulls away, and if the Moon pulls away first, then Pluto goes into often a serious depression and rage.

All in all, it has a potential to be extremely nurturing and can add a weird sense of nurturing in sex and love. This aspect is one that bonds and puts two people in for the long run. All Pluto wants to do at its most compassionate side is protect and shelter the Moon, the other person's heart. They want to probe and dig deep and get all of their emotions out on display so they can understand them, heal them. Moon feels secure like Pluto is 'safe' since it sticks around no matter how weird their feelings get, no matter how messed up the Moon feels.

There will be indicators in the natal chart to how easily the Moon can handle it. If the Moon falls in Scorpio or has natal Moon-Pluto aspects perhaps they won't subconsciously be as disturbed or fearful of the Plutonian digging influence. The Moon is going to feel the obsession more from the Pluto person and notice right away when it gets weird, while Pluto might feel that their obsession isn't weird at all... or can't even see that it is an obsession, only feels they are drawn to watching over the Moon. So both can feel it pretty powerfully.


The Moon person has Moon in Scorpio, and I have moon opp. Pluto in my own natal chart! I feel it I think. I always want to be talking to him, his attention is oddly soothing. And not in a romantic way, just you know...him. I'm trying to pace it lol but yes I'm definitely feeling it now. And you are so spot on about nurturing! He's younger than me for one, and two he's naive and it's not that I want to protect him but I wish he would see how people really work. Maybe he knows and doesn't share because he doesn't feel it's necessary. Iono. I trusted him a lot faster and respected him a lot faster than I do most people, if I ever do. He likes a girl right now who is no good for him whatsoever and it's taking a lot for me not to be like "HELLO SHE SMOKES METH!" He wants to save everyone, you know so I can see he's attracted to kind of messed up people (aside from physical attraction.)

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posted September 19, 2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
That was great s.scorpio...
Let me ask u whats the difference with moon/pluto in synastry verses in composite..

In the composite how can u tell who feels what?
Do u think the female would then feel the moon part of it?
Or it's equal with both?


Thanks. In synastry, it's the two energies mixing together directly. One person directly affecting another's feelings, their wellbeing, their spiritual identity. The composite is a different story... it's the relationship itself, the circumstances surrounding it, the meeting and the road bumps, how it began and how it could end.

So if we have Moon-Pluto in composite, like the exact conjunction, we find that a great deal of emotional obsession and tumult is one piece of the relationship's background. It was founded on these terms. I feel both the male and female could feel it, especially if the male has a natal Water Moon, Scorp Moon, and/or Moon-Pluto. Both partners have the potential to feel like their souls are being dug up, pried open... like hidden feelings and obsessions could be coming to light for the first time. It could feel like for the first time, they felt comfortable sharing their demons with a love interest, their weirder and darker thoughts/feelings...

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posted September 19, 2012 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
The Moon person has Moon in Scorpio, and I have moon opp. Pluto in my own natal chart! I feel it I think. I always want to be talking to him, his attention is oddly soothing. And not in a romantic way, just you know...him. I'm trying to pace it lol but yes I'm definitely feeling it now. And you are so spot on about nurturing! He's younger than me for one, and two he's naive and it's not that I want to protect him but I wish he would see how people really work. Maybe he knows and doesn't share because he doesn't feel it's necessary. Iono. I trusted him a lot faster and respected him a lot faster than I do most people, if I ever do. He likes a girl right now who is no good for him whatsoever and it's taking a lot for me not to be like "HELLO SHE SMOKES METH!" He wants to save everyone, you know so I can see he's attracted to kind of messed up people (aside from physical attraction.)

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The soothing attention thing? So Moon-Pluto. Ami Ann commented in a thread about Moon-Pluto once how this is the aspect where both partners have the potential to nurture each other, just feel elated talking about their problems, holding one another when they are sick on the couch together. It's a deep and almost maternal connection. How you wish to protect him is also why your heart is so drawn to him... its Pluto's need to protect and shelter, hide away and regenerate.

I'm sure it's hitting you hard how he's turning to someone else for affections or romance than you. Because that's how one can feel with a Moon-Pluto relationship; there's some key rules. Don't even mention an ex. Don't say someone else makes you feel better, or that you feel better after talking to them. Don't say you feel comforted by so-and-so in front of me!! Lol.

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posted September 19, 2012 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
The soothing attention thing? So Moon-Pluto. Ami Ann commented in a thread about Moon-Pluto once how this is the aspect where both partners have the potential to nurture each other, just feel elated talking about their problems, holding one another when they are sick on the couch together. It's a deep and almost maternal connection. How you wish to protect him is also why your heart is so drawn to him... its Pluto's need to protect and shelter, hide away and regenerate.

I'm sure it's hitting you hard how he's turning to someone else for affections or romance than you. Because that's how one can feel with a Moon-Pluto relationship; there's some key rules. Don't even mention an ex. Don't say someone else makes you feel better, or that you feel better after talking to them. Don't say you feel comforted by so-and-so in front of me!! Lol.


^ Rofl, exactly! And that kind of explains why he would get so annoyed with me talking about my crush (back before I ever did our synastry - me and the Moon) without "liking" me like that. Explains so much! And he did try to protect me emotionally from this guy! AH I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I'm not a pedophile (he's 19 I'm 23) we just have Moon-Pluto!!

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posted September 19, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting....
Only I wonder if someone that doesn't have natal pluto actually feels it more, because they are not use to that energy..

I have venus/pluto in my natal, but I don't really feel it in synastry...

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posted September 19, 2012 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ Rofl, exactly! And that kind of explains why he would get so annoyed with me talking about my crush (back before I ever did our synastry - me and the Moon) without "liking" me like that. Explains so much! And he did try to protect me emotionally from this guy! AH I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I'm not a pedophile (he's 19 I'm 23) we just have Moon-Pluto!!

Yes, totally. Any talking about old ex's, crushes, even members of the opposite sex that you knew and could possibly have liked [like leaving an open door with things - 'I used to have fun in class with this girl Marie, so it made class easier', for example, will lead the other person to become suspicious and very upset even if it was long ago... and infuriatingly enough sometimes one will purposely make these open-door statements in order to make the other jealous!]

Oh yeah, possessiveness to the extreme will happen even when the relationship ends if it does end. I have this with my current love interest and I've said, 'No matter where you are if you end up doing anything stupid or be with anyone stupid if we break up, I'm gonna come find you, I'll track you down when I get rich and can have one of those P.I. people work for me'. I laughed self-consciously and apologized for being impulsively creepy, but he was actually flattered and very happy with it... LOL OK then. We also have a similar dynamic, I'm almost 18 and he's 21. I'm Pluto and I always came on strongly to him and saw him as a conquest, not the other way around as one might imagine it'd be like.

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posted September 19, 2012 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Interesting....
Only I wonder if someone that doesn't have natal pluto actually feels it more, because they are not use to that energy..

I have venus/pluto in my natal, but I don't really feel it in synastry...


That's a great point. I can attest to this. I don't have Moon-Pluto in my natal chart, only Scorp Venus-Jupiter sextile Moon, so when I had this aspect as Pluto in the relationship and their Moon landed on it in my 12th, it was like all my secret control, dependency and obsession issues in love began to just burst out like a wellspring for the first time.

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posted September 19, 2012 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had moon square pluto in synastry with a girl.I was pluto.I always considered her my friend BUT I got so obsessed with her.It was not love but obsession was so strong.I could easily spend 5-6 hours in a day just chatting with her but still it was not love.She eventually left me without a word and my life turned upside-down.I have moon-pluto and moon in 8th house in my natal chart and it seems I can never really like anyone until I get obsessed with them and I hate sharing them with others.I have had venus-pluto,mars-pluto contacts in synastry with others but none of them was as intensely felt as this moon-pluto.After nearly 2 years I am still recovering.

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posted September 19, 2012 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My parents had this both in synastry and composite; moon square pluto, my mother pluto and my father the moon, it didn't even nicely.

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posted September 19, 2012 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's a great point. I can attest to this. I don't have Moon-Pluto in my natal chart, only Scorp Venus-Jupiter sextile Moon, so when I had this aspect as Pluto in the relationship and their Moon landed on it in my 12th, it was like all my secret control, dependency and obsession issues in love began to just burst out like a wellspring for the first time.

Ive never really had moon/pluto in synastry.. until now, in synastry its a both way sextile.
I have had moon/pluto in Composite.
Ive felt it, but never before to the extent that I feel it now, in this case...
Im not sure what it is, maybe its Jupiter increasing it... idk

Anyways from my perceptive moon/pluto in composite seems like one person acts out the moon side, while the other acts out the pluto side, but at times it briefly switches to the other person But each person sticks to one most of the time....
Then as for having to speak to each other all the time its mutually felt. Also not wanting to let it go is mutually felt...
It seems like no matter what happens, something just brings you back....

Thats how I have been experiencing it..

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posted September 19, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have moon-pluto conjunct exact with my bf - it's our closest synastry aspect. we both also have pluto in the 1st house, so we already have a comfort with pluto energy natally. i am the moon, he is pluto, and it often feels overwhelming, imo. at first i felt very obsessed with him (venus/pluto also), but as the relationship has progressed i can see it's actually him that is more obsessed than me. my moon needs 'space' away from him to just be alone and regroup. then, as soon as i ask for space i'm compelled to be near him again - it's a highly obsessive aspect from what i can tell. i do enjoy taking care of him (my moon) more than he does for me so moon is definitely the caretaker in the partnership. imo, if the relationship ends it'd be harder on the pluto than the moon - although the moon is the emotional one i think moon is the less obsessed of the two, so it'd be easier to let go. i also recebtly came to the conclusion that the pluto person should either a) break off the relationship or b) be put in a 'forced' situation that makes them break it off - given pluto's nature it'd be best imo to have them end the relationship; it might minimize future obsessive/vindictive behaviors against the moon

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posted September 20, 2012 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Starmoon - I just kind of know to give him space. If I had it my way him and I would be best friends always texting each other but he's 19 and he's a Taurus w Mercury in Taurus, Venus in Aries, Mars in Leo - so I'm sure he needs his space. Although something I just thought of is he's probably as possessive as I am considering his Taurus sun, and Scorpio moon. So maybe emotionally we're on the same wavelength. I do feel like I care a little bit more about him though. He cares about me as a friend and I do turn to him to take care of me emotionally in a weird way, but he cares about anyone who needs help and will be loyal to anybody that gives him one chance. So it's not as special to me.

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posted September 20, 2012 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have Moon square Pluto in the composite too!

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Man... Moon-Pluto conjunct, especially with a 0 degree orb, is INTENSE. It is all around intensity and obsession. It is usually the Pluto person who feels like they are absolutely obsessed with keeping tabs on, sometimes controlling the feelings and sentiments of the Moon. The Moon, since it is a more vulnerable and feminine planet, can feel overwhelmed by Pluto's looming shadow, the way they can make up anything at anytime even the stupidest reasons for them to spend time together, how they seem to be a subtle but controlling force. Yet the Moon might feel absolutely empty when Pluto pulls away, and if the Moon pulls away first, then Pluto goes into often a serious depression and rage.

All in all, it has a potential to be extremely nurturing and can add a weird sense of nurturing in sex and love. This aspect is one that bonds and puts two people in for the long run. All Pluto wants to do at its most compassionate side is protect and shelter the Moon, the other person's heart. They want to probe and dig deep and get all of their emotions out on display so they can understand them, heal them. Moon feels secure like Pluto is 'safe' since it sticks around no matter how weird their feelings get, no matter how messed up the Moon feels.

There will be indicators in the natal chart to how easily the Moon can handle it. If the Moon falls in Scorpio or has natal Moon-Pluto aspects perhaps they won't subconsciously be as disturbed or fearful of the Plutonian digging influence. The Moon is going to feel the obsession more from the Pluto person and notice right away when it gets weird, while Pluto might feel that their obsession isn't weird at all... or can't even see that it is an obsession, only feels they are drawn to watching over the Moon. So both can feel it pretty powerfully.


I have this w/ my bf(me pluto him the moon). Seems like i'm an obssesed controlling freak . True, I want all of him and I won't accept a no for an answer!lol
But, I can't say for sure who's more obssesed 'cause he also has there venus and sun...so I wonder who holds the power in this relationship. It's him I guess, through all those subtle scorpionic strategies.
"All Pluto wants to do at its most compassionate side is protect and shelter the Moon, the other person's heart." it's the other way around..He's the protector not me. Whenever I feel down he just like to take care of me,just be there listening and holding me.

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posted July 01, 2014 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bittersweet81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mumīs Pluto forms an exact conjunction with my natal Moon in the first house (Pluto and Moon in Leo)
She was a controlling mum. I always felt that she read my diaries when I was a teenager (I event left messages for her there! lol)
And now that I am not a teenager anymore, I still feel the controlling thing. The way she talk to me, the suggestions that sound like orders... It is something that I can not a stand with Uranus in the 4th opposing my Sun - Venus in the 10th... I hate people telling me what to do.

But yes, the controlling person is the Pluto one, and the Moon person, can feel trapped, depending on the characteristics of his/her own chart

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posted September 26, 2015 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whitewitch111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn!!! I've got this too with a man in Libra. It falls in his second and my fifth...I'm moon, he's Pluto... God I am exhausted!! What's interesting is we're both very Plutonian in nature. His sun/moon reside in Pisces in his 8th, and my natal Mercury(ruler of my AC), Venus(ruler of my sun sign, Libra), Jupiter, North Node, and Pluto all reside in Scorpio in my sixth house. Throw in my Venus-Pluto -DC conjunction...Well you get the point...

Yeah he's psychic and I am too, but in a more empathic way..
My sun is conjunct my moon by less then a degree, so his Pluto conjunct that too...God! Advice?? In exhausted...
The sex is intense though!

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Im positive its the pluto person who is obsessed i know first hand! My moon squares any late pluto in scorpio people its ridiculous lmao literally both of my most serious relationships my moon squared there plutos and both told me they dont know what it is but they get so jealous and possesive over me its like i bring it out of them and keep in mind i dont do anything crazy its just my moon squares the crap out of there plutos it can be an extremely draining energy if you cant handle the heaviness of pluto and control yet its a healing type of aspect as well you can both heal each others pain and it feels great to talk about everything especially the deep darkest parts of our psyche so all in all it creates a plutonian type of theme in the relationship

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Oh! The most delicious aspect of all aspects. You can feel so close with the other it's ridiculous! I have it with my daughter, exact. Because my Moon is in Aqua and have I a strong Uranus I respect her privacy and am always pushing the independency. I would never control her but I guess she feels the heavy Pluto in our bond. Even though I try and do everything to not be like that. We are extremely close, it feels delicious! If I'd ever loose her my life is over.
I also had this aspect with a much younger man, exact; my P conjunct his Moon (and his Pluto 5 degrees square my Moon). OH MY G!! This was so incredibly sweet, erotic almost and very delicious. We never did anything, it wasn't appropriate but both of us could't ignore this strong feeling! We danced and were mesmerised by each other. I felt like the prince of 'Cinderella' when he was suddenly gone. Like the fairy tail ended. I was obsessed indeed. It was something outside of me. I HAD to think about him, like something took me over. That was annoying. But I can really imagine being together would be so satisfying as well as exhausting. Still, very delicious!

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