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Topic: hmm.. why so?
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scorpy_oh
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posted September 22, 2012 06:01 AM
  
i've noticed that people liken a planet to scorpio if it's found in the 8th house regardless of the sign (example: sun in virgo in the 8th house). what i mean by liken is that they tend to take the planet in the 8th house as the equivalent of a planet expressed in scorpio. this is usually the case with the 8th house and almost always, i find myself shaking my head.am i the only one who thinks that it is inaccurate to do so? following that logic, i could say that my sag mercury is akin to a libran mercury because it's in my 7th house. and that my scorpio moon is akin to a virgo moon because its in the 6th house. or that my virgo venus is akin to a leo venus because it is in the 5th house. blah blah blah. you see where i'm going with this but no one really makes such claims like these unless a planet is in the 8th house. IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted September 22, 2012 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by scorpy_oh:
i've noticed that people liken a planet to scorpio if it's found in the 8th house regardless of the sign (example: sun in virgo in the 8th house). what i mean by liken is that they tend to take the planet in the 8th house as the equivalent of a planet expressed in scorpio. this is usually the case with the 8th house and almost always, i find myself shaking my head.am i the only one who thinks that it is inaccurate to do so? following that logic, i could say that my sag mercury is akin to a libran mercury because it's in my 7th house. and that my scorpio moon is akin to a virgo moon because its in the 6th house. or that my virgo venus is akin to a leo venus because it is in the 5th house. blah blah blah. you see where i'm going with this but no one really makes such claims like these unless a planet is in the 8th house.
duude I couldn't agree more!!
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C1ND3R
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posted September 22, 2012 11:11 AM
I've kinda wondered if reading about the house ruling planet and the signs ruling planet in conjunction... i.e. Sun in Virgo, 8th = Mercury conjunct Pluto.. Would give further insight...
Didn't look into it, though.
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anonymidarkness
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posted September 22, 2012 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by scorpy_oh:
i've noticed that people liken a planet to scorpio if it's found in the 8th house regardless of the sign (example: sun in virgo in the 8th house). what i mean by liken is that they tend to take the planet in the 8th house as the equivalent of a planet expressed in scorpio. this is usually the case with the 8th house and almost always, i find myself shaking my head.am i the only one who thinks that it is inaccurate to do so? following that logic, i could say that my sag mercury is akin to a libran mercury because it's in my 7th house. and that my scorpio moon is akin to a virgo moon because its in the 6th house. or that my virgo venus is akin to a leo venus because it is in the 5th house. blah blah blah. you see where i'm going with this but no one really makes such claims like these unless a planet is in the 8th house.
Because the descriptions written about scorpios describe them as sexy,intense,powerful,even negative traits are revengeful,sadistic which obviously makes them seem like they are powerful than others.For example pisces’s positive trait is creativity whereas negative trait is being a pushover,even leo positive:charismatic,negative:narcisstic.Even in moon sign where scorpio is not comfortable the descriptions describe them as extremely passionate,intense emotions,come on who wouldnt want to be described as powerful,sexy,strong willed.Its all because of the descriptions,if they start describing gemini like that then I am sure people would start talking about their 3rd house planets,“i can relate to gemini traits,this placement is similar..blah blah”. IP: Logged |
C1ND3R
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posted September 22, 2012 11:57 AM
^ hmm.. That may be true. I can think of a few people who don't identify themselves as "sexy"; prefer "beautiful" something like that.IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName
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posted September 22, 2012 12:00 PM
no, it really is this simple for me:houses are a match-in-theme with signs. but they aren't signs or traits.. they are activities. if you have a planet in a house, then that planet brings its energies, and its signs traits, to the areas and interests of the themes represented by that house. so, for example, i have Mars in Virgo, in the 2nd House. my mars is very virgo, straight forward enough. but my Mars in Virgo very strongly Applies its virgo energies, in the areas of Finance and wealth. i'm the only person i know who constantly tries to plan, use logical thinking, and participate in the best way to utilise my money. for example, before i buy anything online, my mars virgo is usually concerned with its quality, or wether its really any good. what does my mars do? it Researches it, and compares various reviews. my Mars in virgo will always research where else i can buy it to find the best deals. this is how for me, my mars in virgo is interpreted in being in the 2nd House. it doesn't make my mars in virgo's traits taurean. but it actively lends its energy and traits to areas of the 2nd house. i love business and trade. But i still don't have the personality of a mars-in-taurus placement.
if someone has planets in the 8th house, one interpretation maybe, depending on the nature of the planet, is they could find themselves interested in, or actively involved in work/job/career or strong interested in an 8th house theme, maybe Psychology in some way. this as a result might bring them in association with people of planets in the same house, or the signs scorpio, or people with planets that contact pluto in their own charts.
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aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 12:11 PM
because houses modify the expression of the planets that reside in them, it doesnt mean they replace or override the sign of the planet, it just changes things a bit. for example a person with sun in pisces in the third would be alot chattier then a pisces sun in the twelfth. having a virgo sun in the 8th would add a scorpio flavor to their personality.IP: Logged |
violet7887
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posted September 22, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
because houses modify the expression of the planets that reside in them, it doesnt mean they replace or override the sign of the planet, it just changes things a bit. for example a person with sun in pisces in the third would be alot chattier then a pisces sun in the twelfth. having a virgo sun in the 8th would add a scorpio flavor to their personality.
House placements are very important. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted September 22, 2012 01:14 PM
but y is venus in h1 better than venus in h12?venus in h1= venus in aries detriment/fall
venus in h12= venus in pisces exaltation IP: Logged |
violet7887
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posted September 22, 2012 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
but y is venus in h1 better than venus in h12?venus in h1= venus in aries detriment/fall
venus in h12= venus in pisces exaltation
the difference is that having venus in pisces is not exactly the same as having venus in the 12th house. There are differences and + the sign of venus and other house placements can alter that. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted September 22, 2012 01:48 PM
The idea seems odd in general because house placements depend on house systems used Example:
My Sun and Jupiter are in Cancer 3rd house placidius but under the equal house system their in my 2nd house
The same for my Moon and Venus in Gemini 1st and 2nd house yet under a different house system their both in the 1st house. IP: Logged |
moonlight
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posted September 22, 2012 06:27 PM
Where a planet resides in your Natal chart is very important. More important that the actual sign, in my opinion. Everyone and your brother could be born a Scorpio if their birthday is late October/early November...but not everyone will have their Sun in the 8th house, etc. Aspects and house positions are the most important. IP: Logged |
scorpy_oh
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posted September 23, 2012 03:28 AM
so i'm assuming that you all agree that it is inaccurate? lol. if you disagree, then please do explain. i am interested in your thoughts.i am well aware that houses are important. i'm merely pointing out that it is inaccurate to say that a moon in the 8th is equivalent to a scorpio moon. having your moon (assuming that it is not scorpio) in the 8th house just means that you channel your planet's energy into areas/activities that are ruled by that house. i feel that people are too eager to jump the gun and say "i have _____ in the 8th house so its like having a scorpio _____." someone said that descriptions are the culprit and i definitely agree. though, i feel that most descriptions of scorpio fail to catch what scorpio really is about. they magnify what is truly minute in terms of the whole. i disagree with the statement of signs being less important than the house. i think that they both are. if that were true then people who have planets in the same houses but different signs would experience the areas of that house almost exactly the same which is not the case. IP: Logged |
Slummer
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posted September 23, 2012 03:44 AM
It's a good question...with a very simple answer. Here's why.Yes, houses are not signs or aspects. They're areas of life experience. That is well established. But the simple fact of the matter is, when you get someone with a stellium of planets in a certain house, they do tend to have the flavor of the sign associated with that house, in their personalities. That's one of those things the astrology books don't tell you that is obvious to anyone who really pays attention to how people function, and have looked at enough charts. 8th housers are usually pretty damn Plutonian/Scorpionic, or at least have a strong streak of that in their personality, even if all those 8th house placments are in Sag, for instance.
7th housers are pretty Libran in nature, fifth housers are pretty Leonine if you've ever interacted with one long enough, so on and so forth. Then again my take on this might be colored by the fact that not only is my 8th packed, Pluto is busy in my chart and aspects my moon, mercury, venus, mars....The fact that my chart ruler is in Scorpio and angular (and in aspect to my ascendant), probably colors things a bit, too. IP: Logged |
CRCRINCON
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posted September 23, 2012 03:47 AM
I have sun in Virgo 8th and Venus Leo in 8th. I don't think of myself as a scorpio, but I am however an intense, passionate person with a focus in my life on subjects of sex, psychology, money, death, secrets, transformation. I don't make this happen. It just does. My life is surrounded by these subjects. But I do have moon trine Pluto, sun semi sextile Pluto, Venus semi square Pluto, Pluto square Asc. All close orbs. And I have sun opposed to Jupiter in the 2nd. And that 8th house sun is square Neptune in the 12th. Talk about heavy!!! Ughhh. And my sun/moon midpoint is Scorpio. And my progressed chart has a stellium of sun, mars, Pluto, Uranus in 8th libra and then mercury in Scorpio. So in looking at the whole picture one might experience me as somewhat Scorpio like. But It's just my life has these themes of the 8th house everywhere. Hope that all made sense.  IP: Logged |
moonlight
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posted September 23, 2012 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by scorpy_oh:
i feel that people are too eager to jump the gun and say "i have _____ in the 8th house so its like having a scorpio _____."
I've heard people say this about all the houses, not just the 8th. I don't really understand what you are trying to say. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 23, 2012 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by scorpy_oh:
so i'm assuming that you all agree that it is inaccurate? lol. if you disagree, then please do explain. i am interested in your thoughts.i am well aware that houses are important. i'm merely pointing out that it is inaccurate to say that a moon in the 8th is equivalent to a scorpio moon. having your moon (assuming that it is not scorpio) in the 8th house just means that you channel your planet's energy into areas/activities that are ruled by that house. i feel that people are too eager to jump the gun and say "i have _____ in the 8th house so its like having a scorpio _____." someone said that descriptions are the culprit and i definitely agree. though, i feel that most descriptions of scorpio fail to catch what scorpio really is about. they magnify what is truly minute in terms of the whole. i disagree with the statement of signs being less important than the house. i think that they both are. if that were true then people who have planets in the same houses but different signs would experience the areas of that house almost exactly the same which is not the case.
true, the house doesn't overrule the sign the planet it is in, but it does modify it it a bit. my aqua sun is in the 12th,and I'm definitely an aquarius but I do have some pisces traits . its the same with my taurus moon in the third, I'm definitely a taurus moon, but some of the gemini moon descriptions match me as well.IP: Logged |
Slummer
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posted September 23, 2012 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by moonlight:
I've heard people say this about all the houses, not just the 8th. I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
5 is 5 whether you get it by adding two to three or four to one. That's what's going over scorpy's head but virgo has a knack for missing the forest for the trees. But that might be intentional, and more about ego and trying to mark territory that they think is theirs exclusively - and have attached a certain amount of their personal identity and pride to - than about astrological accuracy. To some extent their name gives he/she away... IP: Logged |
moonlight
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posted September 23, 2012 11:36 AM
A person with just their Sun sign alone in Scorpio has less of a Scorpio/Pluto influence than those with a stellium in the 8th or multiple planets in Scorpio. For example, looking at my progressed chart, my stellium has remained in the same house and will continue to remain in that house until I am 45 or so. But my Sun, however, progressed to the following sign early on in my life. This is why house positions hold more importance. Planets remain in a house much much longer than your Sun or Moon would in a sign. Let's say someone is a Cancer sun, and the other person has a stellium in the 4th...the person with a stellium in the 4th will feel more like a Cancer than the person with a Cancer Sun. Unless of course, the person who is a Cancer Sun has other planets in Cancer, or multiple aspects to the Moon. IP: Logged |
moonlight
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posted September 23, 2012 11:46 AM
And the only time I ever really shake my head is when someone shouts "It's because I'm a Libra or it's because I'm a Capricorn, It's because I'm a Scorpio!" This is when I shake my head because I know they haven't a clue what Astrology is about. Just saying. Lol.IP: Logged |
moonlight
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posted September 23, 2012 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Slummer:
5 is 5 whether you get it by adding two to three or four to one. That's what's going over scorpy's head but virgo has a knack for missing the forest for the trees.But that might be intentional, and more about ego and trying to mark territory that they think is theirs exclusively - and have attached a certain amount of their personal identity and pride to - than about astrological accuracy. To some extent their name gives he/she away...
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sand
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posted September 23, 2012 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Slummer:
It's a good question...with a very simple answer. Here's why.Yes, houses are not signs or aspects. They're areas of life experience. That is well established. But the simple fact of the matter is, when you get someone with a stellium of planets in a certain house, they do tend to have the flavor of the sign associated with that house, in their personalities. That's one of those things the astrology books don't tell you that is obvious to anyone who really pays attention to how people function, and have looked at enough charts. 8th housers are usually pretty damn Plutonian/Scorpionic, or at least have a strong streak of that in their personality, even if all those 8th house placments are in Sag, for instance.
7th housers are pretty Libran in nature, fifth housers are pretty Leonine if you've ever interacted with one long enough, so on and so forth. Then again my take on this might be colored by the fact that not only is my 8th packed, Pluto is busy in my chart and aspects my moon, mercury, venus, mars....The fact that my chart ruler is in Scorpio and angular (and in aspect to my ascendant), probably colors things a bit, too.
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scorpy_oh
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posted September 24, 2012 03:44 AM
not denying the fact that a planet isn't modified by the house. i am denying the fact that a planet in that house replaces a planet in the sign that the house is ruled by. that is it. and i've used the 8th house especially b/c this is where i've seen this occur the most.i understand what you are trying to say about stelliums. there is no denying that fact. i have a scorpio stellium in the 6th house and i see what you are saying as i experience sharing many virgo traits. and i can easily say that you may as well be highly plutonian than i am considering your packed 8th house. no bruised ego here however, i am talking about instances with single planets. i am not quite sure where you are getting the whole 'marking territory' thing. apologies for not indicating that in the original post. IP: Logged |
scorpy_oh
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posted September 24, 2012 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by moonlight:
And the only time I ever really shake my head is when someone shouts "It's because I'm a Libra or it's because I'm a Capricorn, It's because I'm a Scorpio!" This is when I shake my head because I know they haven't a clue what Astrology is about. Just saying. Lol.
lol. i get what you're saying. it only bothers me when they seriously blame their actions on their astrological placements. if it's done out of humor, then it's all good. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted September 24, 2012 03:53 AM
Houses and signs are totally different things. So whoever deems the philosophy that 8th house equals scorpio is incorrect. I have Leo Sun and Mercury in the 8th H, but I'm definitely not a Scorpio. However I do like things that are dark, morbid, heavy and crude. But thats also a Leo thing - hello Charles Bukowski. IP: Logged |
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