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rose_s
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posted October 06, 2012 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rose_s     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wonder how significant of Neptune aspects in this composite;

Sun in Virgo
Sun conjunct Venus in the 7th house
Moon in the 8th house
Sun conjunct Mercury
Saturn conjunct Ascendant and opposite these three planets
Then here come the Neptune in the 4th house square all of these planets except the moon.

Any comments please?

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posted October 06, 2012 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pussycat:
What does it mean when there are NO aspects at all to the Node in the composite?

I'm just curious because i am trying to learn stuff and i did a composite for every relationship i had.
All of them are very different but the one thing that all have in common is that there is no aspect to the Node!


I'm not sure about this one, it is possibly a free-er/less restricted arena of operation, but I don't really know what that means or how to understand it. There is a possibility that Saturn-ascendant, saturn-moon, jupiter-ascendant, jupiter-moon, and any jupiter-saturn, or any of these three with the MC will give the direction. It seems direction for growth is required as a couple. Composites without these aspects or nodal aspects give a stalemate/falling away sensation.


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posted October 06, 2012 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rose_s:
I just wonder how significant of Neptune aspects in this composite;

Sun in Virgo
Sun conjunct Venus in the 7th house
Moon in the 8th house
Sun conjunct Mercury
Saturn conjunct Ascendant and opposite these three planets
Then here come the Neptune in the 4th house square all of these planets except the moon.

Any comments please?


I don't want to monopolise the thread though I guess I did, and I'm no expert so disregard anything at will - however, I would say that the composite sun-venus in the 7th is excellent (just wonderful), and saturn conjunct the ascendant is pretty excellent too, though has just a hint of suffocation to it (otherwise pretty serious relationship).

Neptune square sun/venus/merc: feelings of giving up, feelings of lost potentials, some ideal feelings mixed in though, but overall a downhearted feel.
Neptune square saturn/asc: blaming
Neptune possibly trine Moon: feelings of things being exquisitely beautiful, like tears or dewdrops

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posted October 06, 2012 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My current relationship doesn't have aspects to the node, except for a trine to the MC. It is also conjunct the composite vertex, however, in the sixth house. And conjunct my bf's natal DSC (exact).

How would you interpret NN conj vertex in composite?

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posted October 06, 2012 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pussycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chryseis:
I'm not sure about this one, it is possibly a free-er/less restricted arena of operation, but I don't really know what that means or how to understand it. There is a possibility that Saturn-ascendant, saturn-moon, jupiter-ascendant, jupiter-moon, and any jupiter-saturn, or any of these three with the MC will give the direction. It seems direction for growth is required as a couple. Composites without these aspects or nodal aspects give a stalemate/falling away sensation.


Thank you Chryseis!!!
That's very interesting!I just noticed that even with the guy i'm in love now (and we don't have a relationship) again there are no aspects to the Node in our composite.
At least we have most of the connections you mentioned above!
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posted October 06, 2012 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rose_s     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chryseis:
I don't want to monopolise the thread though I guess I did, and I'm no expert so disregard anything at will - however, I would say that the composite sun-venus in the 7th is excellent (just wonderful), and saturn conjunct the ascendant is pretty excellent too, though has just a hint of suffocation to it (otherwise pretty serious relationship).

Neptune square sun/venus/merc: feelings of giving up, feelings of lost potentials, some ideal feelings mixed in though, but overall a downhearted feel.
Neptune square saturn/asc: blaming
Neptune possibly trine Moon: feelings of things being exquisitely beautiful, like tears or dewdrops


Chryseis, thank you very much.

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posted October 06, 2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the composite sun-venus in the 7th is excellent (just wonderful)

yes it is. just delightful

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Chryseis
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posted October 06, 2012 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
My current relationship doesn't have aspects to the node, except for a trine to the MC. It is also conjunct the composite vertex, however, in the sixth house. And conjunct my bf's natal DSC (exact).

How would you interpret NN conj vertex in composite?


Composite Vertex conj NN tends to accentuate a lostness felt by being together. This is because a central purpose to the relationship is tripped up by the Vertex. The composite Vertex is a point where you get like metaphysical winds rushing through that resolve disparities and contributes to an assimilation or amalgamation between the couple. One would thing, well me in fact,lol, yes I would have thought that that would be great tied up with the node, however it sort of pulls the rug out from under the Node, though there is a mixed impression here - so it depends on the viewpoint.

The Vertex is like a point of grace that makes everything more peaceful, and more inclined to get along with each other and those around you. Its a point of social favour as well as peaceful cooperation within the couple, or in natal, its a point where we are more confident because our internal mess is kind of integrated.

When it comes into contact with the NN in the composite the couple lose the incentive or inclination might be a better word, to fulfill the purpose of the NN.

It could be better explained maybe, but that's kind of close.

With your bf's DSC hitting the same spot there is an influence. He is more inclined to have a mixture of resigned frustration within the relationship, but there's humour too, and almost resistence to bother too much with things that don't feel quite right. I think the almost humour comes from the lightness of the influence of the composite Vertex - like an image would be, bf with bills in hand saying we need to get these bills sorted, then you say well yes that would be good if I hadn't just bought myself this new hat on a whim (puts hat on and gives a winning smile), and then he would just kind of toss all the bills up in the air and suddenly dive at you and grab you round the waist and kiss you with gusto......ah, where was I? in this, oh yeah, um yeah just makes things have a bit of a pointless feel but won't affect the longevity of the relationship, and is a factor in bringing you together, despite the dumbing down of the NN. The NN is bit like a sentence, so though you may get an underlying pointlessness feel to the relationship, you are also more inclined to not feel bogged down by the pointlessness. So maybe if there was good karma in effect this would be like a reprieve within lives, kind of like a concession on your souls.

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Chryseis
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posted October 06, 2012 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@pussycat, yes the jupiter and saturn influences, bring the higher purposes.

@rose_s, thank you

@RAS, yes excellent, and a point with what you said earlier about the composite conjunctions. Its not the smaller stelliums or pairs that are the issue, but when there is like a glut of conjunctions (say 5 or more)within say 15 degrees, that there would be a less desirable type of relating (key words: narcissism, sycophancy, beligerance, mind games, perversion - all due to the view of the other to be so close that there are trust issues, oppression, psyching each other out kind of stuff - but also the level of this would depend on the dynamics of the planets, the signs and the aspects to transaturnian planets).

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posted October 06, 2012 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is so informative.
The node aspects I have with current guy I'm dating is Venus, Jupiter, and Pluto square NN. NN also trine Chiron and semi-sextile AC.

What do you think about Vertex in the 7th house? I have seen this a number of times with boyfriends/exes. The last 3 guys I was serious with. No wait, I have had this with EVERY guy I was serious with. A lot of them conjunct Venus as well. It's actually kind of insane how often I have seen this with guys I have liked seriously. I believe in all cases there was at least the NN or a personal planet along with the vertex in the 7th. I wonder if I could even date a guy without the Vertex in the 7th if I tried.

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posted October 07, 2012 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11nahyt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you guys find that the signs the planets are in , are relevant or not? I had read somewhere that the signs are not relevant, but that in which house the planet falls into and the aspects are what should be considered.

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Chryseis
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posted October 07, 2012 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say that composite Vertex in the 7th, generally, would be that the couple would be a bit like two mice on a treadmill, unable to get off for the most part as they would find that they would often be doing just about everything together. If they started to weary of it, they would push on because the winds of grace would enable an ease of negotiating/being thickly involved.

Other planets conjunct or aspecting would intensify or colour the type of togetherness, but basically, it would be like if someone got up to clean their teeth they would kind of be waiting, even half annoyed maybe that they feel they should wait, until the other got the gist to clean their teeth too. Or the one lagging, might be thinking, god, do we have to clean our teeth now, like its almost an unspoken ease of super highway that makes it almost a given that they do a lot together.

Seems ridiculous to me, can it really be like this? I didn't think the Vertex would be that important. I'll have to look into more and from other angles and rearrange the variables.

Another metaphor, was like the couple are on a kind of message rope, and they are constantly relaying messages along the rope to one another and others can be in between. Sounds like a nightmare to me.

In terms of splitting up, there's possibly something about the vertex still operational despite the couple not together and also somehow operational before they are together. And how does a 7th house composite vertex actually split when there is this ease and amost compulsion to be in almost constant acknowledgement of one another? Seems difficult to extricate but other factors will dominate.

Maybe I would alter these comments over time, I'm not sure. I still feel that I'm not getting enough perspective, so I wouldn't take it as a definite, all this.

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Chryseis
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posted October 07, 2012 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
11nahyt, I think the signs are always relevant but the characteristics of the planet and its relationship to the other planets may predominate in terms of trend, whereas sign might be more about trait/flavour.

Composite venus in cancer square composite mars in Libra, is a bit of a miserable aspect, it has a feel like upset at things not being fair.

Composite venus in cancer square composite mars in Aries, has a miffed feeling instead, not so much misery but like the couple have an underlying aggravation like they still have their nose out of joint but they feel they might pay out on someone for it.

Composite venus in cancer opposing composite mars in capricorn, has a pretty good feel like as if they can handle everything and they are pretty cool and sexy about it.

Composite venus in cancer conjunct composite mars in cancer, is a combo that could easily be in important relationships. But it would seem like the couple are like two sooking children, the attraction would be high, but kind of a target for other factors to scr*w them around, its like a vulnerable aspect.

Composite venus in leo conjunct composite mars in leo, is a super cool/popular combo, but vulnerable again to the darts from others as indicated by archetypes of aspecting planets.

Composite venus in virgo conjunct composite mars in virgo, is sh*t, well that's how it feels, they don't even feel vulnerable, they just feel sort of grungy and earthy but kind of like t*rds, lol. God how awful!

Gosh, I better stop there, I think I've had that in composite!

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posted October 07, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chryseis:
I would say that composite Vertex in the 7th, generally, would be that the couple would be a bit like two mice on a treadmill, unable to get off for the most part as they would find that they would often be doing just about everything together. If they started to weary of it, they would push on because the winds of grace would enable an ease of negotiating/being thickly involved.

Other planets conjunct or aspecting would intensify or colour the type of togetherness, but basically, it would be like if someone got up to clean their teeth they would kind of be waiting, even half annoyed maybe that they feel they should wait, until the other got the gist to clean their teeth too. Or the one lagging, might be thinking, god, do we have to clean our teeth now, like its almost an unspoken ease of super highway that makes it almost a given that they do a lot together.

Seems ridiculous to me, can it really be like this? I didn't think the Vertex would be that important. I'll have to look into more and from other angles and rearrange the variables.

Another metaphor, was like the couple are on a kind of message rope, and they are constantly relaying messages along the rope to one another and others can be in between. Sounds like a nightmare to me.

In terms of splitting up, there's possibly something about the vertex still operational despite the couple not together and also somehow operational before they are together. And how does a 7th house composite vertex actually split when there is this ease and amost compulsion to be in almost constant acknowledgement of one another? Seems difficult to extricate but other factors will dominate.

Maybe I would alter these comments over time, I'm not sure. I still feel that I'm not getting enough perspective, so I wouldn't take it as a definite, all this.


Perhaps this is why I am still on speaking terms with all of my exes. I don't talk to them all everyday or anything but probably at least once a month or every two months. I'm not on bad terms with any of my exes. I also have this with some of my girlfriends. I'd have to look back and check. I don't think this is necessarily bad. It could be tough while one partner is not yet over the other but it ensures closure in my experience.

I'd say this one guy who I was involved with and I didn't have it. We never dated seriously but I don't feel any closure and we will go much longer periods without communication. It feels like unfinished business and a little painful for me. We had vertex conjunct chiron in the 8th, at the end of the 8th sun and mars conjunct and Venus conjunct NN in 7th.

Edit- I have vertex conjunct composite DC with my four closest, long lasting friendships with girls. 2 are in the 7 and 2 are in the 6th conjunct DC less than one degree

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Chryseis
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posted October 07, 2012 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, that guy does feel like unfinished business.

there does seem to be patterns, I tend to have composite vertex in the 5th

that is amazing about the composite vertex and DC with your girl friendships!

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posted November 14, 2017 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[BUMP!]

I want to bump this because this can be useful and helpful for those who is trying to interpret their composite chart with someone.

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posted November 14, 2017 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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