posted October 05, 2012 10:55 PM            

To read the composite,initially look at the chart as a complete object, and take in the patterns of the aspects and placements and draw the focus to key aspects, and then sort of translate the impression.

To pinpoint in the composite, the overall drift of whether there is much of a connection or not, start at the ascendant. The ascendant needs to tie with the moon to enter the emotional heart as well as the proximity of each other. If you can't get the ascendant correct then do your best off the aspects, invariably you will get enough of the rest of the placements and aspects.

For there to be a sexual liaison, mars has to connect with moon,or sun, pluto, or neptune, and there has two be at least two aspects to saturn, preferably to ascendant, sun or mercury, and trines would be best, followed by sextile, or in some cases conjunction, square, opposition. Quincunx will rely on other aspects to get over the hump, and semi-squares for saturn would reflect not able to agree on an approach to get together.

For dating, casual, coffee/dinner; the moon requires several easy aspects and in this, conjunction and opposition are included if the aspects are to venus, jupiter, mercury, and sometimes mars and saturn, depending on other aspects. So sextile and trine of moon to anything really.

When there are a lot of squares between planets, other people/fate/ responsibilities/circumstances are blockading the connection. When there are a lot of oppositions; distance, illusions, and impracticalities are an issue, or deception - because oppositions often have an issue with being able to see each other clearly for what ever reason.

Many conjunctions, can stifle the connection and confuse things and this is where you will get the situation where people are not sure of each other, not sure of how they feel, not sure if they can be bothered etc.

The best composite charts have a spread of planets with a few conjunctions, minimal squares and oppositions (unless with benefics), but lots of sextiles and trines, and if you have the ascendant then lots of aspects to it are a good sign.

Jupiter makes for a good feeling relationship, and look to the house/sign/rulerships and whether it contacts both venus and saturn, if it contacts moon, a baby could be in the offing. Jupiter to mars, is difficult though exciting,and will probably accompany possessiveness, jealousy, and competition.

Venus aspects are all good in composite. They can all be part of an important or hardly viable relationship. No venus aspect is a bad aspect, all that will happen is that if there is a predominance of say, Venus-Neptune with Venus-Moon, and to a lesser degree Venus-Mars, their could be a lot of waivering of the relationship, due to the strong emotional/conceptual/idealistic element, and emotional games/disappointment of ideals.

Chiron has its own story in the composite, but beneficial contacts to Saturn (any aspect) or to Mars (preferably trine, sextile, conjunction) will make for a relationship that has motivation to fuse and heal - the 'in sickness and in health' quality. Chiron to Mercury - is a friendship quality. Chiron to Venus, any aspect - health issues, and health of the couple will either improve or worsen - generally worsen, its like a sloughing off of stuff and often there is more health stuff underneath. So the couple will be attracted to one another to do this healing type thing but in the process, they can get worse, and often mental health will suffer. Chiron to Moon attracts random atmospheric discharge such as, accidents, violence, near drowning, choking, stuff like that, because its like the couple is a magnet for correcting imbalances, and their own centres will fluctuate with their energy, and then when they are 'on' they can feel full of gusto, but will attract this atmospheric flotsam/jetsam that can result in injury.

The Node is important, for sign, house and aspects. Best Nodal house is 7, 1, 2/3, and 6. Seven because of the initimacy required to fulfill the meeting up required to fulfill the node. One because, its like a validation of the two as a relationship. Two/Three, and/or because of the togetherness/sensual proximity, three because of the communication. Six is a good nodal house because its about daily routines, and has the element of sunrise to sunset about it.

Other houses for nodes are as follows: 4th - upsets things because its hard to correlate to histories to go forward, well it is anyway, but with the node in the 4th its really hard, so people may last together but there's a lot of distress. 5th - establishes immediate no-go areas, end there is always a disjointed nature to the relationship, kind of like isolating one another from the other. 8th node - is pretty good, but everything else goes to pot basically, like constantly so salubrious with one another that the whole relationship has sex and fondling kind of weaving through every moment. I can hear everyone saying this is good, but as you can imagine, it would be very obsessive, and if there are difficult aspects/points to the rest of the composite, it can make people unbalanced and become criminals when things go awry.

9th Node - is basically a set up for failure. Immediately, you're on the road to separation, whether legally, or spiritually/philosophically, or just lose connection with one another. The reason why this is because of the growth factor, the relationship outgrows itself.

10th Node - makes the relationship hard, and though you might stay together, the coldness seeps into the relationship and everything is goal/career/ambition focused.

11th Node - friends will eventually break you up, or if you stay together, the relationship is like part of a group, whereby there is a lot of influence and input from others, and not much togetherness is achieved except for group goals/activities.

12th Node - The couple have this kind of strange relationship, like as if both people are constantly changing their face/persona so its hard to pin a tail on either - in a way they never get to see each other clearly or get to know one another. They just get an impression of the other, and there is a loneliness to it.

There's bucket loads more, but am not sure what to include as I am fairly flippant in my translation and kind of hope that I have put things down correctly, and I hope I don't negatively impact anyone's relationship if what I have written is not correct.

I should copy and paste - I haven't crossed my t's and dotted my i's enough but here you go. Anyone is welcome to dispute, and I may agree with you, lol.

posted October 05, 2012 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
Thank you yes LSC, I would welcome it, as it would enable me to reflect and discriminate on what I have written.

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posted October 06, 2012 12:57 AM            

Anyway, I would say Pluto square North Node in the Composite will pretty much result in the dissolution of the relationship. It will be a significant one though. I wouldn't say it would have to be violent though as it is more a clearing of debris to go forward or to realize.

Synastric aspects or the natal signs and aspect combos would more likely indicate violence. The composite doesn't seem to show violence towards one another. Sun square Mars in the composite definitely heightens the physical but for violence it would have to come down to those individual interactions or predispositions. Sun square Mars, is about heightened physical-ness, and this can play out in bickering and pushing around but isn't indicated as violence.

posted October 06, 2012 01:17 AM            

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The composite can indicate how involved people will become, or whether they will never really have much contact.

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^this.

Basically, if synastry is great but the composite is eh, u will always feel that there's sooo much potential there between you, but for whatever reason u just never seem to hang out much or stay in contact, or really become much of close friends. its bc the composite is how u work as a TEAM..how ur energies merge, get me? so u may be drawn to each other but if ur energies dont gel in a perfect fit then it just never happens

posted October 06, 2012 01:49 AM            

If the composite is strong then the relationship should always be tangible. I'm not sure about finding a strong composite with a random celebrity, but I would think that the connections would have to be evident as indicated above to be an actual meeting each other kind of relationship.

It seems to be that all aspects to the True/North Node in the composite affect the relationship considerably.

NN conj sun: predominant male role present, father/son/governor/boss
NN opp sun (conj SN): similar interest in 'male' activities eg. sport, racing, firefighting, house maintenance, debating
NN conj moon: predominant female role present, wife/mother/big sister/seamstress/dairymaid (weird??) (these are the words presented, and I don't know why sun didn't include husband, but it just won't; conversely moon, won't include daughter though sun included son)
NN opp moon: much reflecting, whiling away the hours around pools, mesmerising one another, writing/reciting verses etc.
NN conj merc: good with the budget, tightfisted, fetishes
NN opp merc: poverty, respiratory issues/air quality problems, sensitivities to chemicals.
NN conj venus: meeting up with celebrities, artists, popular people, having lots of social events, being comfortable financially, having nice clothes to wear and nice children.
NN opp venus: similar to the above, though more random like an occasional surfacing of the above and not so consistent, more like fleeting experiences of the conjunction.
NN conj mars: problems with joints, cancer risks, blood issues.
NN opp mars: more of the same, though with relief.
NN conj Jup: Notoriety/fame especially photographed. Newsworthy stuff about the couple, such as achievements, sports etc.
NN opp Jup: Similar though less of and more likely the promise of fame rather than the fruition.
NN conj Sat: Involvement with authorities for good or bad. The relationship sometimes set out as prenuptials or custody arrangements etc.
NN opp Sat: Similar though less, compromises can be made without the formalities.
NN conj/opp Chiron, Uranus: (can't really get the impression)
NN conj Nep: wastefulness, addictions, habits that dissolve/disintegrate, but the relationship can survive because the couple is not prepared to go out on a limb for or without either.
NN opp Nep: more of the positive Neptunian qualities, eg. could dive together, be swim teachers, write/perform music/dance/act together, but there is a kind of bottomless pit between the two, like a great divide whereby their true connection is lost in the water/music/etc.
NN conj Pluto: very special relationship, 5 star quality, refreshes, uplifting to others, quality relating to each other.
NN opp Pluto: same though carries a stress to it as if they are missing something so always wondering if they should move on from each other but perhaps can't.

So they are all for composite, and the squares would be:
Sun: cranky, miffed feelings/regard
Moon: pretty good all in all, but very emotional, and lots of deep and meaningfuls.
Merc: very intellectually/financially/health focussed, there is a stingy pettiness, but also a flourishing of motivation to get on with things, plan holidays (on a budget), plan hobbies, make time for children/pets/work etc, lots of flourishing zippy energy.
Venus: glorious, they feel so scrummy together, like they could eat one another, and others will be attracted/resentful of them.
Jupiter: pretty terrific, exciting stories to tell that are for the most part how it was, sometimes a bit bombastic and showy about their lives/each other.
Saturn: Serious with one another, dry wit, almost enjoying the duress of what they need to do. Attending to everything by the book and almost nutcases with their overattention to the way things should be done. And more of them able to work it out themselves then having to rely on others to set it out on paper like the conjunction.
Chiron, Uranus: (difficult again to indicate)
Neptune: (difficult to indicate as well)
Pluto: clearing to go forward, can breed resentments, often from those around them, and probable dissolution of the relationship, and occasionally transformation of it in some cases, but generally, the death of the relationship. A significant relationship though.

posted October 06, 2012 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:

^this.

Basically, if synastry is great but the composite is eh, u will always feel that there's sooo much potential there between you, but for whatever reason u just never seem to hang out much or stay in contact, or really become much of close friends. its bc the composite is how u work as a TEAM..how ur energies merge, get me? so u may be drawn to each other but if ur energies dont gel in a perfect fit then it just never happens

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Yeppers, pretty much I agree

posted October 06, 2012 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
chryseis, how do u know that? from what ive always seen a scattered composite is not the way to go and conjunctions are great (as long as the planet is not malefic)

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scattered is never good if the aspects aren't there, but if their are trines/sextiles and then the harder aspects with the benefics, then this is ideal.

A bunching up with conjunctions all bumbling on top of one another, the couple find it hard to trust one another, or trust their own feelings - like am I getting this person right - um I just don't know about them.

A more spread out composite, is a stronger composite, because the different areas of the chart are more able to support the composite as a whole. Charts that are focused in one or two areas, lessen their sphere of relating as a couple, and there is potentially huge weaknesses in the relationship whereby it can't cope with a lot. So I guess the shape doesn't necessarily indicate non-existent but it might show more drama because as a couple they are side stepping a lot of stuff, or it might be a kind of dull ineffectual kind of relationship.

posted October 06, 2012 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
scattered is never good if the aspects aren't there, but if their are trines/sextiles and then the harder aspects with the benefics, then this is ideal.

A bunching up with conjunctions all bumbling on top of one another, the couple find it hard to trust one another, or trust their own feelings - like am I getting this person right - um I just don't know about them.

A more spread out composite, is a stronger composite, because the different areas of the chart are more able to support the composite as a whole. Charts that are focused in one or two areas, lessen their sphere of relating as a couple, and there is potentially huge weaknesses in the relationship whereby it can't cope with a lot. So I guess the shape doesn't necessarily indicate non-existent but it might show more drama because as a couple they are side stepping a lot of stuff, or it might be a kind of dull ineffectual kind of relationship.

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Wow, first I wanted to say, your replys are very thorough and informative, with a different and logical spin on things. I loved reading them

What you say above about a great amount of conjunctions and how that may actually take away and weaken the relationship because of an imbalanced focus on a certain sphere totally makes sense especially considering house rulers. I'm wondering tho, do you think synastry overlays help balance that out even if it's more so one sided effort rather than a combined one. Say there's a 4th house synastry stellium overlay while the 4th house is empty in the composite. Wouldn't the 4th house flavor still be part of the relationship with one person assuming the role (creating a place to belong).

posted October 06, 2012 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Wow, first I wanted to say, your replys are very thorough and informative, with a different and logical spin on things. I loved reading them

What you say above about a great amount of conjunctions and how that may actually take away and weaken the relationship because of an imbalanced focus on a certain sphere totally makes sense especially considering house rulers. I'm wondering tho, do you think synastry overlays help balance that out even if it's more so one sided effort rather than a combined one. Say there's a 4th house synastry stellium overlay while the 4th house is empty in the composite. Wouldn't the 4th house flavor still be part of the relationship with one person assuming the role (creating a place to belong).

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posted October 06, 2012 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
Thanks chrysies and ras .. And as for the domestic violence stuff, maybe looking at composites for celebrities known for domestic violence issues?v you would prob see a pattern of aspects within each chart... I've always heard Venus/pluto being the culprit for those situations. The whole "fatal attraction" thing with that aspect . But i really believe ,one would have to look at both natal charts to see who would be the violent one, and how that aspect would mesh with the other person's chart

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posted October 06, 2012 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Wow, first I wanted to say, your replys are very thorough and informative, with a different and logical spin on things. I loved reading them

What you say above about a great amount of conjunctions and how that may actually take away and weaken the relationship because of an imbalanced focus on a certain sphere totally makes sense especially considering house rulers. I'm wondering tho, do you think synastry overlays help balance that out even if it's more so one sided effort rather than a combined one. Say there's a 4th house synastry stellium overlay while the 4th house is empty in the composite. Wouldn't the 4th house flavor still be part of the relationship with one person assuming the role (creating a place to belong).

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I think there is something about the strength of the natal of an individual balancing the deficit, but for some reason the synastry doesn't seem to take up the slack in the composite, probably because the totalling has already been done to make the composite. Of course that is just my swing on things.

The nature of the composite has a lot to do with the composite ascendant. When the ascendant is not really known, you can only read the overall planet placement and aspects - this is enough to indicate a reasonable, in the flesh connection. There are other factors but I don't have any knowledge of them and I can't bring them down to an explanation.

In the particular case of the strong synastric 4th house stellium as an overlay to the empty composite 4th: it seems that the moon and the ruler of the 4th in the composite will account for this.

If the composite looks weak overall, and factors such as the strong 4th stellium in one person's natal had some pretty strong synastry overall with the other, then what you may get are two people that seem perfect for each other or one person is totally over the moon with the other but it just doesn't happen.

If the composite shows a deficit in a lot of areas due to the bunching up of planets, some of those conjunctions will balance the chart due to rulership, but some of the conjunction combos will complicate relating. The strength of someone's natal stellium placement will influence the outline of the composite, in terms of quality. The strength of synastry will seem wasted, however, if the composite doesn't indicate an adequate combination, I guess I'm mainly referring to attraction relationships that get to the level of spending romantic time with one another at the minimum.