posted October 07, 2012 08:08 PM            

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posted October 08, 2012 12:48 PM            

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posted October 08, 2012 12:52 PM            

To me the Moon is more vertical, reaching into the depth of your being (the Moon-point would be the IC at the bottom of your chart).

Venus is more horizontal, stretching out, relating to others, but not always on a very personally deep level - (Venus-point is the DESC).

posted October 08, 2012 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ami.

what do you think how would a Moon-Pluto trine feel?

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Hmm Ceri
I never experienced a trine with it. I have experienced the Moon/pluto conjunction. One was 3 degrees. One was exact. It is a bad obsession *sigh*

I think the trine would have the soul closeness and passion but not the hard edge, but rather a softer feeling.

Perhaps, one could ride this wave and not be thrown to the ground with the wave, as in the hard aspects

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posted October 08, 2012 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think the trine would have the soul closeness and passion but not the hard edge, but rather a softer feeling.

Perhaps, one could ride this wave and not be thrown to the ground with the wave, as in the hard aspects

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lol

But yes I can actually see this I think. Sort of a "nice smooth intensity", but still pretty deep, maybe just not that obsessive, not that undertow sucking you in, but you rather go there willingly?

posted October 08, 2012 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hmm Ceri
I never experienced a trine with it. I have experienced the Moon/pluto conjunction. One was 3 degrees. One was exact. It is a bad obsession *sigh*

I think the trine would have the soul closeness and passion but not the hard edge, but rather a softer feeling.

Perhaps, one could ride this wave and not be thrown to the ground with the wave, as in the hard aspects

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posted October 08, 2012 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
lol

But yes I can actually see this I think. Sort of a "nice smooth intensity", but still pretty deep, maybe just not that obsessive, not that undertow sucking you in, but you rather go there willingly?

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Totally, once again, you expressed it, beautifully, Ceri

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posted October 09, 2012 08:14 AM            

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Also i had a guy whos pluto wasnt exact, about 5 degrees from my moon...in my 12th house, our relationship was life changing and took me about 4 years to get over and i still think about him sometimes!
I'd be scared to find an exact conjunction...if 5 degrees had such a profound affect on me! Maybe it was the 12th house conjunction that made it so powerful?

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Ok, let's see if/how the conj. plays out in our natal houses.

Gab, it fell in your 12th, can you clearly relate it to this house, or not?

In my case it's falling in my 3rd (me Moon) and I can honestly say that it frustrates me that he isn't that talkative about his feelings/emotions and all that stuff.
I have to *dig* most of the time (dig? the moon? yes the moon!)
To a point that he *has* to open up.. and then he can feel completely down but me not as I'm happy that I finally understand/know how these emotions effect his behavior.
That's what I wanna *know*! Because only then I can *understand* which is a necessary otherwise I'm gonna project all the bad things happened to me on *him*.
I tried to explain that more than once but he doesn't get it somehow.
When he finally opens up (although he's feeling bad) I give him sugarcubes for days to reward him. He may not think in *any way* that I will reject him for opening up, and so I take care the next time he will do it again (hope). He has to see that I *really* appreciate it..

but is it really the house playing a role here? Isn't it just a sex-problem as us women we're simply more talkative and in tune with our emotions...

posted October 09, 2012 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok, let's see if/how the conj. plays out in our natal houses.

Gab, it fell in your 12th, can you clearly relate it to this house, or not?

In my case it's falling in my 3rd (me Moon) and I can honestly say that it frustrates me that he isn't that talkative about his feelings/emotions and all that stuff.
I have to *dig* most of the time (dig? the moon? yes the moon!)
To a point that he *has* to open up.. and then he can feel completely down but me not as I'm happy that I finally understand/know how these emotions effect his behavior.
That's what I wanna *know*! Because only then I can *understand* which is a necessary otherwise I'm gonna project all the bad things happened to me on *him*.
I tried to explain that more than once but he doesn't get it somehow.
When he finally opens up (although he's feeling bad) I give him sugarcubes for days to reward him. He may not think in *any way* that I will reject him for opening up, and so I take care the next time he will do it again (hope). He has to see that I *really* appreciate it..

but is it really the house playing a role here? Isn't it just a sex-problem as us women we're simply more talkative and in tune with our emotions...

So if you have anything to say about the house this aspect is falling in... please do!

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This is what i have learned about pluto in my relationships....ive been pluto conjunct an ex's moon, and ive been the moon with another ex's pluto conjunct me!

Pluto doesnt talk, pluto doesnt share feelings...pluto is a machine! Its all about tearing you open and digging in! When pluto is in action...its not emotional and has no needs!
The guy i saw, never shared his personal feelings, i swear i still don't know much about him and his life...he was always to focused on me and the best way to end a conversation was to start asking him questions about how he was doing, if he needed to talk or even who he was!
I wanted to be there for him like he was for me, but that was never allowed! It hurt to!
You have to remember pluto is scorpio on steriods! Try asking a scorpio personal questions....it never goes well unless they are ready or in crisis...
Pluto is even worse, at least with scorpio they have an intake need to, but pluto doesnt, its a tool not a personal planet or personal energy! Its all outgoing energy to tear down and rebuild focused on your personal planet....
If he had pluto conjunct his own personal planets and had used pluto to do some soul searching, he might be willing to share whats hes learned and open up through that! But if not your going to be talking to a brick wall. From pluto's perpespective, Pluto doesnt need help and might be somewhat offended that you think it does!

Offering to reciprocate the kind attention he is giving you, when pluto is in action,to him seems like your saying the powerhouse isnt strong enough and needs help!
So when pluto is out, don't expect to hear anything from your partner about there needs, at that moment they don't have any!

I had to learn to just enjoy all the obsessive attention and find other ways to give back to him! It was the first relationship i had that it wasnt all about me giving all my attention the guy and i got neglected. But i felt like i was neglecting him emotionally...but pluto didnt see it that way, and never will!
How you give back to pluto is by heeding their advice, growing, changing, seeing what they are saying and acting on it and becoming healthier and happier through his suggestions and help.
If you want to really give pluto huge esteem, just go on and on about you and how happy you are now, and always end it with a thank you...and smile a lot!
They will listen and feel proud if you tell them how much more you enjoy life because of what you've learned through them or they have helped you see, let them make you happy because in the end all pluto wants is to see is your happiness and know its a lot to do with their efforts!

posted October 09, 2012 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Got birthtime for the new guy im seeing...things just get stranger and starnger here!
His Ascendant is conjunct mine under 2 degrees! We have a double whammy...his libra pluto on my libra asc, my libra pluto on his libra asc and his moon conjunct my moon in both our 12th houses...
So now not only do we have the same stelluim saggy sun/merc/nep, his scorp venus/mars conjunct my uranus , my venus conjunct his uranus,and our entire charts fall in the same houses!

His pluto conjuncts his moon but out of sign, virgo moon, libra pluto in his 12th...my pluto conjunct my venus but by 8 degrees...

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posted October 09, 2012 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

WOWSER on that

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posted October 09, 2012 03:23 PM            

For my ex and I, his Moon/Pluto hit my Pluto/MC in the 10th, while my Pluto fell on his 12th house. The dark issues faced were his recovering addictions, pregnancy loss, and mutual episodes child abuse/neglect ):

It was very scary, we peered into each other's soul and suffered very much together, bringout out old deep wounds to the surface. To be honest, neither one of us had ever confided the painful childhood hurts to anyone other than a trusted counselor.

posted October 09, 2012 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
So even a pure cinderella Linkage! = jupiter/chiron conj. (according to Magi-astrology the best you can have between both)

And then that ASC-ASC conjunction with even the desc. co-rulers (pluto) on each others (asc.).. my parents had an asc-asc conjunction (2*) and both desc.-rulers (Neptune) on each others asc also.
And euh.. together till death did them apart he
I've seen Asc-Asc conj. too many times in marriages or very close relationships where nothing could come in between.. it's just like they operate as a *WHOLE* and the steadiness, well.. a good sign!

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posted October 09, 2012 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Great insight, Gabby and Mir in regards to the house placement's coloring of the energy...I hadn't thought of it much in terms of the house, but you both hit the nail on the head regarding the 12th house issues...

For my ex and I, his Moon/Pluto hit my Pluto/MC in the 10th, while my Pluto fell on his 12th house. The dark issues faced were his recovering addictions, pregnancy loss, and mutual episodes child abuse/neglect ):

It was very scary, we peered into each other's soul and suffered very much together, bringout out old deep wounds to the surface. To be honest, neither one of us had ever confided the painful childhood hurts to anyone other than a trusted counselor.

It was overwhelming how we confided and trusted in each other right away, a big relief to be understood. To this date, despite all the haunting hurts we went through together, will always respect and value the trust he gave and provided to me.

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posted October 10, 2012 08:52 AM            

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If you want to really give pluto huge esteem, just go on and on about you and how happy you are now, and always end it with a thank you...and smile a lot!
They will listen and feel proud if you tell them how much more you enjoy life because of what you've learned through them or they have helped you see, let them make you happy because in the end all pluto wants is to see is your happiness and know its a lot to do with their efforts!

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Owno-noway! Compliment/smile etc. with the intention to please isn't written on my Scorp-Moon body (so the conj. in there).
So that's how the Libra-conj. works out?
Btw, his Pluto doesn't do much in his own chart (unless you count a 5+ sextile) BUT.. an exact Pluto/Moon parallel in the declinations!
(btw my moon square my mars so the pluto on my moon will always make a square to my mars but that's another story lol)

Nice to read about how it plays out in the houses.
But the thing we all have in common here with the conjunction itself .. is what you can find in words like this;

*** ~ It was very scary, we peered into each other's soul and suffered very much together, bringout out old deep wounds to the surface.
~It was overwhelming how we confided and trusted in each other right away, a big relief to be understood.***

No I can't compare it to anything before.
Even the pretty exact Pluto/Moon trine (me pluto) was just a poor obsession from my side.
Maybe we all agree, that from the first time we laid eyes... BAM!!! (so it does exist that BAM-experience, soul/mind/body an all-in-one BAM ~ the world around sinking in a second and this really doesn't have *anything* to do with... euh.. well let's say ANY POOR SURFACE ~ this is the kind of thing that makes astrology *really* interesting)

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posted October 13, 2012 04:25 PM            

I don't know the moon/Pluto influence all by itself because that double whammy is sextile her Venus/Neptune conjunction (which is conjunct my Neptune).

I wouldn't say she or I is obsessed because we've always given each other plenty of privacy and space (its much more complicated than it sounds though!).

However, sometimes she reveals ultra personal stuff to me and vice versa.

I've loved her since I was 9, I'm 34 now.

There is this quiet empathy/telepathy between us, its like we can communicate without words. And when she looks into my eyes, its like her soul communicates with mine, that is how it feels. That might be the Neptune connection though.

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Gemini Mercury
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Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted October 13, 2012 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Gabby
What is his Mars?

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posted October 13, 2012 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Owno-noway! Compliment/smile etc. with the intention to please isn't written on my Scorp-Moon body (so the conj. in there).
So that's how the Libra-conj. works out?
Btw, his Pluto doesn't do much in his own chart (unless you count a 5+ sextile) BUT.. an exact Pluto/Moon parallel in the declinations!
(btw my moon square my mars so the pluto on my moon will always make a square to my mars but that's another story lol)

Nice to read about how it plays out in the houses.
But the thing we all have in common here with the conjunction itself .. is what you can find in words like this;

*** ~ It was very scary, we peered into each other's soul and suffered very much together, bringout out old deep wounds to the surface.
~It was overwhelming how we confided and trusted in each other right away, a big relief to be understood.***

No I can't compare it to anything before.
Even the pretty exact Pluto/Moon trine (me pluto) was just a poor obsession from my side.
Maybe we all agree, that from the first time we laid eyes... BAM!!! (so it does exist that BAM-experience, soul/mind/body an all-in-one BAM ~ the world around sinking in a second and this really doesn't have *anything* to do with... euh.. well let's say ANY POOR SURFACE ~ this is the kind of thing that makes astrology *really* interesting)

Gab, yes.. *BALANCE*, that's the first thing I thought with your new guy
Pluto is a sexual planet there (like Juno, Venus, Mars) and so given the same respect for intensity.

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