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LionFish
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posted October 15, 2012 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do any of you other Pisces out there eventually feel like other people think they're "owed" the way that you treat them?

And I'm not just talking about Leos

What I mean is that people get used to the servitude. And then, when you do something for yourself because they've taken so much and not given anything back, they get offended that you're not at their beck and call. "You're my bestfriend, where are you, I miss you" When in reality its "You were taking care of me, I can't do it by myself anymore. I need you" People put Pisces off as wishy-washy and co-dependent, which we can be, but I think we loan this trait to other signs by nurturing and loving them until we can do so no more...

I've had a few "friends" in life that I've had to sever from my circle because they were toxic like this. They "owned" me and my friendship and loyalty were a thing they felt they controlled, instead of something intangible that would have gone to the depths of the underworld to make them happy.

I love being a Pisces and the need/want to serve others that comes with it. And it warms my heart to see that there are people who want to protect Pisces.. Gives me hope for all those I had to let go. Maybe a nurtured/balanced Pisces will find those set adrift by a broken fish.

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Leo ASC, Pis Sun, Tau moon

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Faith
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posted October 15, 2012 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ My Pisces best friend gets that a lot. She actually babysat for her sister, free of charge, for years, so that her sister could make money (while my friend made none.) Her sister kept saying she would pay her, but never did. My friend just felt so bad for her sister, it didn't really matter.

Untilllll....her sister turned around and started telling people that she had been HELPING my best friend by ALLOWING her to babysit all those years. "I gave her a place to stay during the day," her sister bragged. "She was so desperate, she had no money or anything."

They no longer speak.


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LionFish
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posted October 16, 2012 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I could say I was surprised I'm glad she stood up for herself though. I bet it was an ugly scene when she finally did. Pisces are only pushovers until you wound us

I went through a very similar situation with my bff and her boyfriend, who is like a brother to me. I watched their kids, cleaned their house, and cooked their meals. I was their live-in nanny and I didn't mind one bit. I didn't pay rent (I worked about 10 hours a week at the time) and slept on the couch in the living room. I did however spend money on their kids, on them, the house, food, toiletries..whatever I had to give, I gave it. This went on for about a year until the boyfriend and I got into a fight over friends that I'd brought over. Not bad people by any means, just people HE didn't know. Well, it ended up with me telling him I was packing my things and leaving (which I did) and his response was "Great, one less mouth to feed. It's not like you pay rent. What is it you do for our household anyway?" My bff didn't call/text anything me for 2 days after it happened and the only thing she said to me was "Sorry it happened like that."

He's only worked off an on since I moved out because they can't afford an actual babysitter or daycare. I still see them and talk to them now, it took a while to be able to do so. And now I only do it on the basis that I don't give anything I don't get in return. Which puts a really big strain on the relationship from my end because my love/care/generosity towards these people knows no bounds, but I also refuse to be hurt by the same person twice.

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Faith
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posted October 16, 2012 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ It all sounds SO familiar!

My best friend and I grew up next door to each other, so I'm kind of an expert on her life story. One interesting pattern with her is, guys will break up with her, and EVERY single time, without exception, they come roaring back into her life at a later time, trying to sweep her off her feet.

I think it's that they took her kindness for granted. They, too, started to think that she was going out of her way for them because she "owed" them something. Only after she was gone did they snap out of it and realize what was going on.

Of course, she feels bad turning them away when they beg for second chances but there's only so much one fish can do for the world.

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12thhouser
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posted October 16, 2012 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blanky:
Pisces Venus found me doing nice things for others even when it was an inconvenience for me. I had to learn to say NO. This has simplified my life. Pisces Rising too.

And I too love Pisces. I think it helps me think about being "one" with the universe, infinity for that matter. It just seems easy for Pisces to do this.

But I too was a doormat for years.


Hi Blanky,

I also have both Venus in Pisces and Pisces rising. which house is your Venus in, 12th or 1st? When I've told people "No" (when it's obvious they could help themselves in whatever they were asking me to do for them), they would get upset. I think sometimes a bit of "suffering" can be good for those with Pisces placements or angles. It's like exercising. When you start exercising, the thought of it can make you cringe if you've never done it before or haven't in while, just as the thought of turning someone down for help (when they can help themselves and appear to be using you) can seem selfish to yourself, maybe even to others. But some people need to work things out on their own. At the same time, yes, the traditional model of helping those who are suffering can be quite rewarding. All of these many-sided scenarios are in Pisces. It's actually quite a complex sign.

Besides Pisces rising and Venus in Pisces, I have Jupiter in Pisces (conjunct my Venus), too.

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hippichick
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posted November 05, 2012 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My gosh....

I had another Pisces patient, an 83 year old who had never been sick or in a hospital cept for when she had her kids.

You would have thought she landed in the Hyatt Hilton!

Her family, who never had any experiences with hospitals either, catered to her every whim and want. We found ourselves having to cater to all of them.

I spend 2 1/2 days educating them about hospital etiquite and not her very serious heart condition she has.

I finally lost it one morning, when the family showed up with a bunch of food and coffee, not for her but them!

Due to your friend and mine, Obama, we have open visitation, 24/7 and we cant run families out.

So before I knew it, they had a party going on. There was this 14ish something boy, who clearly had ADHD or the like who brought his "oma" a giant balloon that sung "You are my sunshine...." and he kept hitting it, the room grew louder and louder then they started to gather the IV pumps and monitor wires and get her out of bed.

I went in the room and told them that if they didnt simmer down, and take her condition seriously she would likely go into a lethal arrythmia and we would be shocking her and breaking her ribs with chest compressions.....

I had to get the charge nurse to go in and set some rules...that didnt last the day.

BAAAAAD FISH!

I have a friend who is experiencing trouble with another Pisces...selfish and loud and disrespectful...this one has a Scorp asc, which shames me terrible..

geezzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Pisces-Sweety
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posted November 05, 2012 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pisces-Sweety     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was younger.. I used to be extremely sensative and helpful towards people, even those who didn't need my help. I realized that a lot of people are indeed ungrateful and some of them even backstabbed me. There were times where I stood by people through thick and thin but when I needed someone, no one was there. Everyone suddenly became "busy". Some part of me still wants to help people but I realized that I have limits. Some people don't want your help. I try to help once, twice and sometimes 3 times.. but that's where it stops. There is only so much you can do to help. I'm not selfish or anything but I know it's because I'm sensitive (pisces sun, mercury and asc.) I get extremely exhausted and end up telling people to "f-off" even though i don't mean it. As for helping ungrateful people.. ive been there.. I give people 2 chances.. rarely 3.. then eventually I cut them off.

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Rosalind
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posted November 05, 2012 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this:

Scorpio ASC with ruler in 12th house of Pisces.
Jupiter in Pisces in 5th house (I'm told I have a pure heart. I don't see it like that but anyway)
Neptune in 2nd house. In my opinion its not the best place for Neptune because the native tends to give money more than he has.
NN in 6th house of Virgo (serving) and SN in 12th house of Pisces). I live to serve, to suffer, to understand and feel other people's suffering and to help them in a humanitarian way.

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Faith
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posted November 05, 2012 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hippichick,

That makes me so sad...when my father was dying, he was in and out of hospitals for 7 months, and he got virtually NO SLEEP because of the rudeness of other people. That is SO unhealthy!

I also wonder about the degrees of Pisces who are rude, and whether or not they are cusp people. Aquarius-Pisces Cusp can seem like they have a chip on their shoulder sometimes (even though I love a few of these people, and they don't exhibit that to me...but they are older and wiser)...and Pisces-Aries Cusp sometimes just do whatever they want, even if it's eccentric.

One of my longtime best friends is born right on the Pisces-Aries cusp. She is SUPER nice, and I love her. But she does what she wants, and there is nothing you can do to change her, even if it inconveniences you or hurts your feelings. She's just really chipper and like, "Sorry! I gotta do what I gotta do!"

But she will also bend over backwards for you at other times, and if you need something, she will provide it 110%

She practically set up and paid for the catering after my dad died, because she brought us SO much good food, without being asked or informed that we needed anything.

I PISCES!


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hippichick
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posted November 05, 2012 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, thank you for loving us!

As you probably know, despite my Scorp asc I am hugely Aquarian.

This latest Pisces patient's birthday was ONE DAY after mine and alot of years...

She was from Austria.

Actually in the end, she and I reached a good place. I never called her out on being a Bad Fish, cause these were "educated" (lol!) white folks with attitude not like the hood rats that I usually take care of.

I keep running across bad fish....Hope they are not presenting a mirror for me.

ewwwww,

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affy
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posted November 05, 2012 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for affy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I HAVE to say this! This is a beautiful thread of posts, and I relate to a lil' bit of every Piscean experience stated here So much so that it brought tears to my eyes

I'm in a position where I've decided to care a lil' more about myself and not be at the beck and call of my friends, but it hurts so much After giving your time, energy and love to the people around you, the least I would've expected was them asking me to come back, but none of them seem to be bothered.. well, I can't blame them, it's just me..

Sometimes I wish the Capricorn in me rises, but it seems like my 12th house stellium + Neptune rising walks away with the grand prize at the end of the day.. Annoying, yet I'm glad to be a Fishy

Sorry about the rant, guys.. needed to let some steam off, and this thread was just too touching for me not to post

Go Fishies

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hippichick
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posted November 05, 2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by affy:
I HAVE to say this! This is a beautiful thread of posts, and I relate to a lil' bit of every Piscean experience stated here So much so that it brought tears to my eyes

I'm in a position where I've decided to care a lil' more about myself and not be at the beck and call of my friends, but it hurts so much After giving your time, energy and love to the people around you, the least I would've expected was them asking me to come back, but none of them seem to be bothered.. well, I can't blame them, it's just me..

Sometimes I wish the Capricorn in me rises, but it seems like my 12th house stellium + Neptune rising walks away with the grand prize at the end of the day.. Annoying, yet I'm glad to be a Fishy

Sorry about the rant, guys.. needed to let some steam off, and this thread was just too touching for me not to post

Go Fishies


ooo, my this made me smile from my Pisces soul...

blessins to ye!

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