posted October 07, 2012 10:59 AM            

Do you have Pisces placements and feel this is true for you?

Do you ever find yourself helping people who are incapable of seeing that they needed your help, and who are therefore ungrateful?

Maybe others ridicule you for helping ungrateful, unworthy people.

Looking for any comments relative to Pisces' self-sacrificing tendencies.

As for me I feel like Pisces is the spiritual healer that wants to unify everything and everyone.

posted October 07, 2012 11:50 AM            

My experience of observing Pisces is that they can't help, but empathize with others so it may be self-preserving of them to try to be healing others, because, if the people around Pisces aren't being healed, Pisces absorbs their pain.

My sense is that Pisces don't have the choice of not taking on that role, unless they retreat into fantasy and being alone. I think often, they don't really like having to be the healers and can resent it even, unless they sort of learn to accept their role or learn to surround themselves with people who give back to them rather than take from them, which is hard to find because, let's face it, few among us don't need some help being healed over something or other.

I feel for Pisces. I think that's why I have such a soft spot for them. I know they don't have the ability to put up strong boundaries like I do and I think of how vulnerable and crazy I would feel if I was like them. I tend to really actively try to give to Pisces, rather than take from them. It's like I want to be their shield or protector.

posted October 07, 2012 11:51 AM            

And I too love Pisces. I think it helps me think about being "one" with the universe, infinity for that matter. It just seems easy for Pisces to do this.

But I too was a doormat for years.

posted October 07, 2012 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Serve or suffer. I think that's true.

My experience of observing Pisces is that they can't help, but empathize with others so it may be self-preserving of them to try to be healing others, because, if the people around Pisces aren't being healed, Pisces absorbs their pain.

My sense is that Pisces don't have the choice of not taking on that role, unless they retreat into fantasy and being alone. I think often, they don't really like having to be the healers and can resent it even, unless they sort of learn to accept their role or learn to surround themselves with people who give back to them rather than take from them, which is hard to find because, let's face it, few among us don't need some help being healed over something or other.

I feel for Pisces. I think that's why I have such a soft spot for them. I know they don't have the ability to put up strong boundaries like I do and I think of how vulnerable and crazy I would feel if I was like them. I tend to really actively try to give to Pisces, rather than take from them. It's like I want to be their shield or protector.

I think my virgo moon square neptune helps me empathize with Pisces and want to help support their neptunian energy. Them my mars in Aries trine my moon, kicks in and makes me want to fight for them and protect them. It's sort of strange how it happens every time. I can spot a Pisces in a second by my immediate impulse to protect them.

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So nice to know. Thanks for your input, redshift.

posted October 07, 2012 12:41 PM            

Sitting right here, the 3rd day of a 48 hour work week (my first overtime in a long time ) I am serving my patients and I am suffering taking in all of their suffering, and their familly's suffering.

For me there is no other way, I serve naturally and I can't help it and I get umcomfortable when I am "rewarded" for serving.

This morning the wife of a patient brought me a breakfast bisquit and she was so sweet for doing it, and it was yummy! But It makes me feel bad when folks do for me.....

It is the curse and the blessing of The Fish~

terri~

posted October 07, 2012 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Serve or suffer. I think that's true.

My experience of observing Pisces is that they can't help, but empathize with others so it may be self-preserving of them to try to be healing others, because, if the people around Pisces aren't being healed, Pisces absorbs their pain.

My sense is that Pisces don't have the choice of not taking on that role, unless they retreat into fantasy and being alone. I think often, they don't really like having to be the healers and can resent it even, unless they sort of learn to accept their role or learn to surround themselves with people who give back to them rather than take from them, which is hard to find because, let's face it, few among us don't need some help being healed over something or other.

I feel for Pisces. I think that's why I have such a soft spot for them. I know they don't have the ability to put up strong boundaries like I do and I think of how vulnerable and crazy I would feel if I was like them. I tend to really actively try to give to Pisces, rather than take from them. It's like I want to be their shield or protector.

I think my virgo moon square neptune helps me empathize with Pisces and want to help support their neptunian energy. Them my mars in Aries trine my moon, kicks in and makes me want to fight for them and protect them. It's sort of strange how it happens every time. I can spot a Pisces in a second by my immediate impulse to protect them.

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posted October 07, 2012 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
*** It was said of Jack Kerouac, Pisces, that he treated everyone, down to the most strung out bum, or arrogant fool, like they were his equal ***

I love it.
That's the wisdom of Pisces.
A human is (mainly) an emotional being not a mental being as one is learned/conditioned to think.
In Pisces I see the rebel against such widely accepted worldview.

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Yes, absolutely I do as well...and folks just dont understand how I can accept the business man, as I do the housewife as I do the heroin junkie or the alcoholic...

posted October 07, 2012 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
I serve and suffer and suffer from serving.

Sitting right here, the 3rd day of a 48 hour work week (my first overtime in a long time ) I am serving my patients and I am suffering taking in all of their suffering, and their familly's suffering.

For me there is no other way, I serve naturally and I can't help it and I get umcomfortable when I am "rewarded" for serving.

This morning the wife of a patient brought me a breakfast bisquit and she was so sweet for doing it, and it was yummy! But It makes me feel bad when folks do for me.....

It is the curse and the blessing of The Fish~

terri~

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See, I feel like I know you because you sound so much like my Pisces sun best friend when you talk.

I think the suns have it worse than the moons.

posted October 07, 2012 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by redshift:
Serve or suffer. I think that's true.

My experience of observing Pisces is that they can't help, but empathize with others so it may be self-preserving of them to try to be healing others, because, if the people around Pisces aren't being healed, Pisces absorbs their pain.

My sense is that Pisces don't have the choice of not taking on that role, unless they retreat into fantasy and being alone. I think often, they don't really like having to be the healers and can resent it even, unless they sort of learn to accept their role or learn to surround themselves with people who give back to them rather than take from them, which is hard to find because, let's face it, few among us don't need some help being healed over something or other.

I feel for Pisces. I think that's why I have such a soft spot for them. I know they don't have the ability to put up strong boundaries like I do and I think of how vulnerable and crazy I would feel if I was like them. I tend to really actively try to give to Pisces, rather than take from them. It's like I want to be their shield or protector.

I think my virgo moon square neptune helps me empathize with Pisces and want to help support their neptunian energy. Them my mars in Aries trine my moon, kicks in and makes me want to fight for them and protect them. It's sort of strange how it happens every time. I can spot a Pisces in a second by my immediate impulse to protect them.

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Aw so sweet, you have such a natural understanding of us Pisceans! Altruism is an interesting concept - although I'm not sure if it truly exists, I still proceed on the basis that it does. I work within the legal justice system counselling both perpetrators & victims of violence. So I spend a fair amount of time with people who are truly suffering both physically & mentally. This is actually a difficult job for me as it is deeply emotional and difficult to not feel for all the people involved. But I keep going because when I get through to people and watch them turn their lives around, the feeling is amazing. The trick, I have discovered as I get older, is to only do this on a part time basis! I have to spend the rest of my time doing my own thing in my own little world in order to face the realities of other peoples' lives & in order to have the strength to help them. So many times, I've felt like giving up and finding something else to do because I have so many other interests (like music, art, cooking, nutrition, yoga, interior design) but always I am drawn back to this need to help people who are at their lowest. I have a soft spot for people who are suffering and - maybe it is a foolish thing or an ego thing - but I feel I am a better person when I have at least made the effort to help and not walked away. So yes, it is serve or suffer for this Pisces!

posted October 08, 2012 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreamweaver:
Aw so sweet, you have such a natural understanding of us Pisceans! Altruism is an interesting concept - although I'm not sure if it truly exists, I still proceed on the basis that it does. I work within the legal justice system counselling both perpetrators & victims of violence. So I spend a fair amount of time with people who are truly suffering both physically & mentally. This is actually a difficult job for me as it is deeply emotional and difficult to not feel for all the people involved. But I keep going because when I get through to people and watch them turn their lives around, the feeling is amazing. The trick, I have discovered as I get older, is to only do this on a part time basis! I have to spend the rest of my time doing my own thing in my own little world in order to face the realities of other peoples' lives & in order to have the strength to help them. So many times, I've felt like giving up and finding something else to do because I have so many other interests (like music, art, cooking, nutrition, yoga, interior design) but always I am drawn back to this need to help people who are at their lowest. I have a soft spot for people who are suffering and - maybe it is a foolish thing or an ego thing - but I feel I am a better person when I have at least made the effort to help and not walked away. So yes, it is serve or suffer for this Pisces!

BTW Redshift - Are you a Scorpion? I have had a few Scorpion friends over the years who also feel very protective and also are very understanding and your comment reminded me of them.

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posted October 08, 2012 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreamweaver:
He said to me: "Thank you so much for talking to me. Thank you for shaking my hand. You are the first person to treat me like a human being." I almost cried when he said that. AND so, despite the flack for the work that I do - that's why I keep doing what I do, because there is just not enough kindness in the world!!

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Trying not to cry, myself.

posted October 08, 2012 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I've read that this is the choice Pisces people face, and as a Pisces moon, I agree with it.

Do you have Pisces placements and feel this is true for you?

Do you ever find yourself helping people who are incapable of seeing that they needed your help, and who are therefore ungrateful?

Maybe others ridicule you for helping ungrateful, unworthy people.

Looking for any comments relative to Pisces' self-sacrificing tendencies.

As for me I feel like Pisces is the spiritual healer that wants to unify everything and everyone.

It was said of Jack Kerouac, Pisces, that he treated everyone, down to the most strung out bum, or arrogant fool, like they were his equal.

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My sons a pisces, i found a quote one time that made me sad for him...it said
"A Pisces will always give the world more than the world will give a Pisces"

Reading this ans seeing my sweet little son, always smiling and sharing his heart, he never even cried as a baby, i think it was because he didnt want to bother anyone with his needs...this made me want to love him even more...but most pisces get neglected for this soft heart! It made me determined to find out how to help him protect himself...despite his self sacrificing nature!
I think what pisces forgets is protecting themselves allows them to stay emotionally healthy. They suffer and serve, suffer and serve until they have nothing left...then they turn bitter and passive aggressive. The battle they really need to fight is picking battles that keep them warm and well fed also, another words finding ways to serve that make them feel good about themselves instead of depleting their emotional funds and leaving them bankrupt...then they become no good to anyone! Pisces needs to realize their true battle is finding ways to always be strong enough to have something to give. That means balance, knowledge and seeing beyond that one helpless soul who has no appreciation, leading them to see all the numerous souls that truly are trying but could use a little bit of pisces unconditional love to give them a boost into a better place!
When pisces sees their efforts are making a difference pisces won't fall into the blackhole of depression and turn bitter, instead they will flow to new heights of respect and devotion to humanity, which is where they are intended to be!
Bleeding yourself for everyone leads to death, giving a little bit and asking for a little bit back is protecting the gift you have, so that you have it to give for a long time to many!
Jesus Christ died for our sins...and with that, he left us alone...if he would have been here to teach more, he just might have helped humanity learn how to save themselves! If he wouldnt have had to die for us, he could have seen the rewards of his hard work through our appreciation!
I think many pisces want to follow this same path of hurt and death, its in their heart...this martyr-ism until death!

But you would do much better and serve many more not to go out in such a dramatic fashion! Instead stay and help others learn how to love...don't martyr yourself into the ground so that we can't learn from you because your gone!
Old chinese proverb...
"Give a man a fish and he won't starve for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he won't starve for his entire life."

See we need you fishys for life, not just one day! So take care of your gifts by taking care of yourself so we will always have you and your love to help us!! Not all of us are blessed with your unconditional love, so we need you!

posted October 09, 2012 10:07 AM            

The shadow~

Pisces can VERY easily be served upon. Our opposite Virgo, who feels she must serve, Pisces can fall into a very, very darkside of wanting to be served.

One, and only one of my relationships, with a freaky Cancer man, I fell into this, myself.

With Virgo bfriend, now, I am probably too independent and only let him "serve" me cause I understood his need to do so.

I had this patient the last 4 days, a 57 year old March Pisces. O, my, goodness...a BAD FISH! She pretty much sat on her fanny all of her 57 years, doing this drug and that drug, letting folks serve her. Sure, she suffered, but she LIKED it.

On the 3rd night, the night shift nurse got on her butt, shut the door behind her and told her a thing or two. This sel(fish) woman was too lazy to use the call light, but would yell out our names.

"Terri...Terri...Terri......." over and over and over...."Wanda...Wanda...Wanda" (the night shift nurse who had her for 3 nights.) My gosh I was tired of my own name. She had to have us change the tv channel for her, pull her up in bed, the list goes on and on. Finally I started making her re-arrange herself in bed, I would ignore her abusing my name, and didnt even go there with the remote.

So...she suffered, not in the way one would think of a Pisces suffering, like the drug addict, the alcoholic, etc, but she, very conciously and intently made herself suffer so that others would serve her.

posted October 09, 2012 10:32 AM            

Thanks for preventing me from being too pie-in-the-sky about all the fishies, Terri.

I'm a Cap and reality checks are always appreciated.

posted October 10, 2012 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Loved your comment!

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posted October 11, 2012 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Choosing whom they are going to serve is very important for pisces.A boundary should also be maintained while serving.You become too kind and they start treating you like you are their slave.Kindness is a wonderful trait of pisces but being too kind and self-sacrificing is also bad,in the end you are left with nothing.I agree that serving people gives you different kind of happiness but this is real world,they like you as long as you are able to serve them,when you become unable to serve them they start treating you like siht.I have sun,venus,mercury and saturn in pisces.

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O, and how I am so there, well with the bfriend anyway....

posted October 12, 2012 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Blanky:
Pisces Venus found me doing nice things for others even when it was an inconvenience for me. I had to learn to say NO. This has simplified my life. Pisces Rising too.

And I too love Pisces. I think it helps me think about being "one" with the universe, infinity for that matter. It just seems easy for Pisces to do this.

But I too was a doormat for years.

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