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Gabby
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posted October 16, 2012 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio mercury@29 is conjunct my saggy merc@3....but it sure doesnt feel like we are communicate the same! When we are together its perfect but he doesnt like to talk over phone, text....
.is this typical scorpio merc behavior?

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posted October 16, 2012 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, sounds like my partner and I - I'm the Scorp, he's the Sag.

It's 'perfect' when you're together because your composite Merc is probably better placed - around 28º Scorp, or so.

What's the real issue here? Your Mercs DO communicate ENTIRELY differently.

Scorp Mercs are private people. I can see the not liking to talk over the phone, but he won't text either? Not sure if that's typical, per se. You may be dealing with some other personality issues.

What's going on?

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posted October 16, 2012 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a close friend with that placement. She loves to tex and talk on the phone but not at first. They're very secretive at first.. It could be passednoff as "shy". It's just that they're sizing up to see what they can share and how much they can trust. They have a tendency to be a bit grim about things. They also sometimes expect the worst even with people they've known theor whole life so they're always planning accordingly.

It's the mental image of what we all consider to be VIRGO.

Also, they're VERY set in their ways....

That same acquaintance that has merc in Scorpio, listens to music from when she was in HIGH SCHOOL!!!!

It's not as if music hasn't gotten better... But it's beause of the emotional reaction she has and had to it and the memories it brings.. It's a water sign meaning that they only way they can communicate with someone theough words, it's usually with another person that has experienced or FELT similar things like they did...

Their familiar with using their stinger so to play on their level, you'd be best to know how to do so as well to deliver your point from time to time because words nor ideas get to them... It's the emotions that do.

You've gotta be able to tap into it if they allow u in because if not, the interaction would be pointless.

I kept it touch with the mercury in scorpip because we were able to talk about anything.. All her eoptions could be released because i didn't judge and laughed about it with her.

Oh, and by the way, once they've made a friend of u, they'll be very jealous if someone even remotely tries to get as close. They consider that special bond sacred (and it is special!) and anyone trying to get a piece of it will have to fight for it.

If in relationship, they snoop....

My acquaintance/friend snoops theough her boyfriends email and bank statements.. Even checks his call history and goes INSANE if she doesn't know what a certain number is.

They're good friends to have if you can understand them

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posted October 16, 2012 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My spelling is all f'd but i'm on my phone and gonna be out for a run, soon... So, it's ok.

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posted October 16, 2012 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well everything is very new...so im sitting back n trying to figure out what his behaviors mean. But im kind of thinking he is a guy that doesnt like being attached to his phone. Then he gets my text late and instead of responding late...he seems to be ashamed and will wait until he sees me and apologizes. He seems genuinwly upset with himself and i can tell he feels like **** ...but im getting tired of it. I text once n if someone doesnt respond they dont get to talk ti mw....i hate feeling like im begging someone to respond. Sometimes it feels like our walls are to simular for a relationship to ever even get off the ground. Its like we are both observing the other more than activly trying to develope a bond with each other....very hard to figure out whats going on herw!

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posted October 16, 2012 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is he testing my patience, temper and understanding for him...or what is this? He has scorpio venus/ mars
conjunct by 2 degrees in his natal....but iv got pluto sq my asc and aspecting every angle of my house exact....im not in a good mood right now! I just want to explode or cry for no real reason....one or the other?
Ugh....i just remembered he has same Ac as me...conjunct by 2 degrees....pluto's messing with both if us...sitting on our IC's and squaring our AC/DC

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posted October 16, 2012 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Is he testing my patience, temper and understanding for him...or what is this? He has scorpio venus/ mars
conjunct by 2 degrees in his natal....but iv got pluto sq my asc and aspecting every angle of my house exact....im not in a good mood right now! I just want to explode!

Yes. They test. A lot! At first, it would be best to treat it as a casual anything and not engage even if it does bother you. It can be downright insulting butnif u don't care enough to react, you'll pass and then the tests stop, entirely. But once you get the flow going, you begin to understand them and they'll reveal their buttons to you.

They pick and choose the people that they allow to push those buttons for them.

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posted October 16, 2012 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
My spelling is all f'd but i'm on my phone and gonna be out for a run, soon... So, it's ok.

Lol....me to! I totally appreciate your words!! We both also we both have virgo moons in 12th so i think we both are perfectionist emotionally and work out of tge dark 12th house! I have pluto conjuct venus/Ac....opposed my chiron. Im not a typical light hearted libra venus.

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posted October 16, 2012 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ it's chiron that has u feeling sad.. Try to find out why. It's usually that they're doing spmething that someone else might've done in the past; the action itself isn't cause for pain bit the mental grouping of said person and said action are the reasons for the mirroring reaction.

It's one tricky thing to get it butnif anyone is aware of it, believe it, it's me: Sun conjunct South Node in Virgo with Mercury in Libra trine Jupiter, with a square to Chiron and an opposition to Mars.

-it's a gift, i have.

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posted October 16, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
^ it's chiron that has u feeling sad.. Try to find out why. It's usually that they're doing spmething that someone else might've done in the past; the action itself isn't cause for pain bit the mental grouping of said person and said action are the reasons for the mirroring reaction.

It's one tricky thing to get it butnif anyone is aware of it, believe it, it's me: Sun conjunct South Node in Virgo with Mercury in Libra trine Jupiter, with a square to Chiron and an opposition to Mars.

-it's a gift, i have.


Ur good...very good!! I spent my childhood by the phone waiting for my dad to call me...he never did!

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posted October 16, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Scorpio Mercury.

Scorpio Mercury doesn't necessarily mean, limited or mute communication. It usually and most frequently means deep communication or a desire for it; wanting to connect deeply on an intellectual level; being mentally intense and probing but sometimes suspicious, stubborn and unrelenting.

But I will say that when Scorpio Mercury people feel misunderstood, they get easily touchy and will not communicate. They can withhold information from you or suddenly, lash out verbally in a calculated way especially if they have Merc-Mars. Also I've noticed some Scorpio Mercuries who have antagonistic aspects to their Mercuries that inhibit, like hard Saturn-Mercury aspects for example, might take longer to actually verbally or otherwise respond to a question/text/etc. They might take even longer to think deeply and think things over...

These people will eventually, warm up. It's in their nature to test the waters with someone and keep themselves from getting hurt, so they might be avoiding talking and texting too frequently and risking sharing or communicating too much about themselves to avoid being vulnerable. Not being vulnerable is one major issue I've found with Scorp dominated people since they seem like they sometimes have secret be profound insecurities and issues with opening up. So it might just take them time.

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posted October 16, 2012 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I am a Scorpio Mercury.

Scorpio Mercury doesn't necessarily mean, limited or mute communication. It usually and most frequently means deep communication or a desire for it; wanting to connect deeply on an intellectual level; being mentally intense and probing but sometimes suspicious, stubborn and unrelenting.

But I will say that when Scorpio Mercury people feel misunderstood, they get easily touchy and will not communicate. They can withhold information from you or suddenly, lash out verbally in a calculated way especially if they have Merc-Mars. Also I've noticed some Scorpio Mercuries who have antagonistic aspects to their Mercuries that inhibit, like hard Saturn-Mercury aspects for example, might take longer to actually verbally or otherwise respond to a question/text/etc. They might take even longer to think deeply and think things over...

These people will eventually, warm up. It's in their nature to test the waters with someone and keep themselves from getting hurt, so they might be avoiding talking and texting too frequently and risking sharing or communicating too much about themselves to avoid being vulnerable. Not being vulnerable is one major issue I've found with Scorp dominated people since they seem like they sometimes have secret be profound insecurities and issues with opening up. So it might just take them time.


Thank you, your help is letting me stay light and airy instead of following my own pluto which wants to clam up and feel betrayed! I know thats not really me tho!

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posted October 17, 2012 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might have found the reason!!!

Scorpio Mercury@29.56Rx

MERCURY RETROGRADE

When Mercury is retrograde, the thought processes are introspective, deliberate and internalized. Before any personal matter can be discussed, it must be processed internally. This means that, if you want to discuss a personal matter with a Mercury Retrograde friend, you must tell them what you want to discuss and set up an appointment to discuss it. If you want an immediate answer, you will not get an honest or well though out answer. They need time to brood and ponder.

Because these people need to digest and process first, they are slow to defend themselves and slow to respond to queries of a personal nature unless they are prepared ahead of time. They appreciate a slow reaction in another.

They can easily discuss non-personal subjects, their own interests and expertise, without introspection. This has already been done in the past.

On personal subjects, they may not know immediately how they feel about something— they need that brood and ponder time.

Perception is quite good because they are sensitive to how they feel about things; the perceptions are highly individualized.

They prefer a Reflective Analysis. In intellectual matters, they are rarely superficial but they tend to analyze, re-analyze, reflect and then apply internally.

There is a perfectionistic side so they can talk in absolutes— using terms such as “always” and “never.”

Many Mercury retrograde people feel that they had no one to talk to as a child. The thoughts and mental activity became internalized and highly subjective. They may be prone to day dream. Some may be so absorbed in their own internalized thoughts that they seem absent-minded and unaware of external activities. This is especially true if Mercury is retrograde in the cadent (3, 6, 9, 12) Houses. And, especially if aspecting Neptune, a planet that can go off into its own world and lose track of time.

Afflictions in Houses 3-6-12 can cause learning disabilities— Dyslexia, ADLD (Attention Deficit Learning Disorder). One child was later discovered to be deaf in one ear and tried to compensate by listening a lot.

This can be the signature of the scientific thinker. Many of the astronauts in the late 1960-early 1970s had Mercury Retrograde.

SPEED OF MERCURY: The speed that Mercury is moving can indicate the speed at which an individual can process information. One friend whose Mercury moved 2 degrees on the day she was born was a very fast and sharp thinker. She had a rare ability to think quickly with little time for reflection.

Those born with Mercury Retrograde take longer to process information but their solutions to problems often have more insight and wisdom.

FEEDBACK: “I have learned that, when something is presented quickly, I need to ask to think about it.”

Mercury in the 2nd can be the bargain hunter

Mercury in Houses 3-4 often needs quiet in order to think. This is often true of Venus R in these Houses as well. They have a problem concentrating when there are distractions and arguments in the home.

Mercury in the 3rd is very prone to study and research but they need quiet. They may appear slow only because they need to have all of the facts first.

Mercury in the 5th can think more than create but this develops in time. This is a signature of a good teacher. They a good with games that require detailed concentration.

Mercury in the 6th— here you will see more of the perfectionist qualities coming out in their work; they appear slow because they require all of the facts.

Mercury in the 7th has difficulty making up their minds about marriage, then they may marriage hastily and rethink it later. They often have difficulty discussing the problems in the marriage.

Mercury in the 8th is best suited for 8th House research and study.

Mercury in the 9th can be the fact collector and they may not be able to get all of the answers that they want. Any planet in the 9th House can indicate an interruption in education. They often return to school later to complete their education.

Mercury in the 10th may see a job as a learning experience where they will acquire the knowledge and experience that they need to know. They are thorough and reliable.

Mercury in the 12th works very well at deep psychological and investigative level. A friend works as a therapist in the prison system. She said that she has thoughts buried so deep inside of herself that she does not even know what they are— and she does not even know how to get them out. They do not show others that they are depressed. They can experience problems with their sleep patterns.
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/retrogrades-in-the-natal-horoscope

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posted October 17, 2012 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cathy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Scorpio mercury@29 is conjunct my saggy merc@3....but it sure doesnt feel like we are communicate the same! When we are together its perfect but he doesnt like to talk over phone, text....
.is this typical scorpio merc behavior?

I have a Scorpio Mercury and I don't like phone conversations, I don't text at all, I don't know if this is typical though.

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posted October 17, 2012 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you, your help is letting me stay light and airy instead of following my own pluto which wants to clam up and feel betrayed! I know thats not really me tho!

No prob Gabby Glad I could help out.

It's good you realize that Pluto influences could naturally make you more paranoid/suspicious... it happens to the best of us. Honestly being Scorpio dominated makes this very possible for people.

I noticed you posted below they have a Retrograde Mercury? Could very well make things even more difficult for them to communicate openly. My current boyfriend has this, but in Virgo, and he even has vision problems/issues reading because of it [he has a 6H Saturn quincunx his Mercury]. So this Mercury can be a complicated one. It can also make you prone to feeling like the way you think/communicate might be odd or more easily misunderstood. They might naturally take a long time to respond to the question you ask out loud. So there you have it - a double whammy for you unfortunately.

I also noticed @cathy said, she doesn't like texting or talking on the phone much. I have to agree with her. Even though I have Merc-Mars and H11 Merc, I sometimes just need to escape communicating and retreat to my own private world. An overwhelming amount of phone calls will agitate me and make me blunt and to the point.

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posted October 17, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ur good...very good!! I spent my childhood by the phone waiting for my dad to call me...he never did!

So, if you know this, you're only a step away from sorting it out. Make sure you're into that person and not just into them because they give you that familiar reaction.

You may not be hurting at all but just responding out of habit.

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posted October 18, 2012 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cathy:
I have a Scorpio Mercury and I don't like phone conversations, I don't text at all, I don't know if this is typical though.

I'm thinking he is kind of the same way, he seems to need space, hes quiet except in gestures and always hes watching, i almost feel like hes staring just to get me to look over and if i look at him he never looks away just smiles. Hes soooo quiet tho! But for some reason whenever we are around each other i cant stop talking. Normally im very quiet always staying in the back, listening and watching everything....but not really participating. I'm not sure why but now im becoming more outgoing and talkative when we are together?

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posted October 18, 2012 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No prob Gabby Glad I could help out.

It's good you realize that Pluto influences could naturally make you more paranoid/suspicious... it happens to the best of us. Honestly being Scorpio dominated makes this very possible for people.

I noticed you posted below they have a Retrograde Mercury? Could very well make things even more difficult for them to communicate openly. My current boyfriend has this, but in Virgo, and he even has vision problems/issues reading because of it [he has a 6H Saturn quincunx his Mercury]. So this Mercury can be a complicated one. It can also make you prone to feeling like the way you think/communicate might be odd or more easily misunderstood. They might naturally take a long time to respond to the question you ask out loud. So there you have it - a double whammy for you unfortunately.

I also noticed @cathy said, she doesn't like texting or talking on the phone much. I have to agree with her. Even though I have Merc-Mars and H11 Merc, I sometimes just need to escape communicating and retreat to my own private world. An overwhelming amount of phone calls will agitate me and make me blunt and to the point.


He has vision problems also!! He wears glasses, lol, hes so cute in a quiet,awkward, nerdy way! But then again hes covered in tats under his tie n dress shirt, the first time he wore a short sleeved shirt was just a few days ago, i almost feel over! Then he explained all the meanings behind them to me, they had deep meanings.
When i first saw him, to me, he looked cold and impenetrable, i can't believe how wrong i was...hes just shy, introverted and dare i say, insecure? OMG!
12th house virgo moon and mercury Rx in 2nd, virgo moon in 12th makes you feel awkward and like your always disconnected, the person left out, like you just don't fit nin anywhere, i know because i have this placement also. Then that mercury Rx in 2nd, his introverted communication style is necessary for his emotional security, if someone tried to pressure or force him out of this comfort zone, it would cause him a lot of pain, probably not possible, hed just turn cold im sure! Esp since its in scorpio a fixed sign...
Good thing i have scorpio aphrodite@29.24, an exact conjunction to his scorpio mercury@29.56...guess we'll have to find different ways to communicate!

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posted October 18, 2012 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:

So, if you know this, you're only a step away from sorting it out. Make sure you're into that person and not just into them because they give you that familiar reaction.

You may not be hurting at all but just responding out of habit.


Oh, you mean like "a pain that im used to"...it feels familiar, so its comfortable! in our sub conscious familiar is good, its what we arent familiar with that repels us even if its better, could make us happier and where we need to be...the pain that we know feels much more comfortable and what we gravitate towards? Is that what your saying? If it is, thank you for reminding me, ill be keeping an eye out for those lil demons, to make sure im not falling into any old holes!

But this feels different, im not more attracted to him because of the pain. Im just trying to understand him and it so i dont pull my usual vanishing act and regret it later! I've been working on being healthier for a decade now...haven't seriously dated anyone for 7 years, just now im starting to feel i could pick a good guy for once, just got to hang in there, take it slow and be patient. UGH...i have all the patience God gave me, which is NONE! At least that is what my best friend tells me!

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posted October 18, 2012 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My least favourite Mercury sign. Doesnt go well with my Leo Mercury. If we talk about fixed Mercuries I rather choose a Taurus Mercury. Less problematic.

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posted October 19, 2012 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My least favourite Mercury sign. Doesnt go well with my Leo Mercury. If we talk about fixed Mercuries I rather choose a Taurus Mercury. Less problematic.

Really? LOL! Why, just because of the trust issues?

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posted October 19, 2012 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did mildly, playfully told him last night i think he must hate me, he looked at me and said why? I said becuz you never text...he smiled and said that is so far from what i feel for you.

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posted October 19, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NOOR13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello! I have mercury in 12th house scorpio and i have alot of trouble communicationg things that bother me or things i want to say...many times people do things that i dont like or do things to me that i dont approve of... i usually tend to walk away from these people if i can and that i dont have to interact with on daily basis...but sometimes when im forced to be around these people i build up alot of tension im not able to comminicate and then lash out suddendly saying the meanist possible things...i have mercury conjunct pluto, AC and venus in 12th house scorpio.....im very sensitive and sometimes dont say things because i always think of what others would feel if i were in their place maybe thats my libra sun...

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posted October 19, 2012 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorp Merc here, and I despise talking on the telephone, and will go through great lengths to avoid it.
I do text, but only b/c what choice do I have in this world. :P

My Merc is conj. Neptune, so I have been told that either my written responses are monosyllabic, or they are too long and descriptive! You can't please everyone.

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posted October 19, 2012 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL...you guys are tough!!! I can see a definite difference between my saggy merc and his scorpio merc even tho they are only a few degrees apart...
His scorpio@29.56
Mine saggy@3.45

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