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Topic: Saturn dominance in the natal, what does it mean?
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sand
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posted November 16, 2012 02:20 AM
  
I looked at the new color thingy on astro.com and I'm pluto by a wide margin but Venus and Saturn are tied for 2nd place. Odd coz I know I'm Venus, pluto, mars in pullen but I think this could be more accurate just coz the mars dominance is due to Scorpio placements in h1 in pullen. Idk how Saturn comes out on top here. Could it be why I feel Saturn so much? The moment it started to pass my mc and going downwards in my chart life has been less than stellar. When it squared my moon ruler of mc AND my mc. I quit something for the 1st time in my life. When it crossed my ascendant I felt people's perception of me weaken. The tightest aspect in my chart is also Jupiter sextile Saturn. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 05:47 AM
Even with all this negativity, Saturn is also in control of cultural achievement. CEOs and government officials often have a strong Saturn influence. Rigid cultural systems of behavior are very Saturnine in their development.Those people who are described as having a Saturnine disposition are usually rather grim and without humor. Those with a strong Saturn influence may feel overwhelmed by the challenges they face in life and may proceed with excessive caution. On the other hand, someone with a prominent Saturn may achieve quite a bit, overcoming their adversity with sheer determination. These achievements may be material, financial or spiritual. It is how we react to our challenges that determine the outcome. Saturn Signs’ seriousness keeps us on the straight and narrow, forcing us to go through lessons we may otherwise wish to avoid. This balances out the optimism given by Jupiter. This planet will define your sense of responsibility by bringing definition and setting limits and rules. Depending on your outlook, your Saturn Sign can actually be helpful in guiding your achievements and focus in life. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 05:50 AM
All bad karma of a person will come into effect during saturn’s period in his chart, or during saturn transits to his moon sign. If a person suffers badly in saturn ruling period (called dasha’s or bukthi’s or anthra) then it means he is paying for his karma’s done in this life or the previous ones ! #fml
Saturn loves yoga, meditation and ascetics. To become a ascetic, a person should have a strong saturn influence in their life, otherwise they cannot be ascetics. Saturn rules Saturday, in numerology its denomination is number 8. Saturn is a contracting planet who contracts our desires, our karma’s and our illusions thereby providing wisdom, in the same way jupiter is expanding planet which expands ones wealth, health, knowledge and luxury.
Unless a saturn ruled person is practicing yoga or meditation, they will tend to be extremist in nature, by being lazy or hyper active, timid or violent, over confidence or lack of confidence, empathy or sadism, love or hate, peace or terrorism. Saturn brings extreme traits in persons to make them understand that the purpose of life is to throw both Rajas Guna and Tamas Guna but to be in Sattva Guna. We will discuss about gunas in next post. But Sattva guna means being in neutral state and taking everything as null.
P.s. how timely I've been thinking about yoga. Wif is a raja Gina? IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 05:58 AM
Strong Saturn in the 1st house : It denotes that the native will adapt to foreign customs and habits. He is a strong minded, passionate person and has well built thighs.I have thunderthighs yes. Saturn in other houses http://astrobix.com/learn/316-strong-saturn-effect-of-saturn-placement-in-different-houses.html Vedic tho. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted November 16, 2012 07:06 AM
How does it calculate major aspects?aspects with 4 orb are listed and aspects with 2 orb are left out.It shows sun as my dominant planet.Pluto(my dom. planet in pullen) is in 5th position.I am definitely not a sunny guy.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted November 16, 2012 07:56 AM
In my own experience you reap what you sow when saturn dominates your chart.You get what you deserve,luck is not involved.If you have worked hard nothing in the world can stop you from getting what you want.Life is quite hard when saturn dominates your chart.I think its like the square aspect,you have to resolve it to reach your potential.Judging you by the way you interact here,you certainly dont seem like a saturn dominant person but who knows how you are in real life.How is your life going on with t saturn conjuncting your asc?I am also experiencing it and I am gettingg this urge to dominate everything.I have also been thinking about yoga.IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
How does it calculate major aspects?aspects with 4 orb are listed and aspects with 2 orb are left out.It shows sun as my dominant planet.Pluto(my dom. planet in pullen) is in 5th position.I am definitely not a sunny guy.
Have no idea but I know how pullen calculates. I just can't remember the site that showed the specifics. i think it was a link posted by RAS. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
In my own experience you reap what you sow when saturn dominates your chart.You get what you deserve,luck is not involved.If you have worked hard nothing in the world can stop you from getting what you want.Life is quite hard when saturn dominates your chart.I think its like the square aspect,you have to resolve it to reach your potential.Judging you by the way you interact here,you certainly dont seem like a saturn dominant person but who knows how you are in real life.How is your life going on with t saturn conjuncting your asc?I am also experiencing it and I am gettingg this urge to dominate everything.I have also been thinking about yoga.
I am very serious and formal. But I'm also very wild and hedonistic. In pullen saturn is like 4th or so, not far from these results actually. But other people pick up the Saturn on 1st impression especially since it entered Scorpio. Readers, bosses, they all say I'm serious and formal. T-sat conj asc I feel fug lol! Less magnetic. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted November 16, 2012 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
I am very serious and formal. But I'm also very wild and hedonistic.
Ah, hello Saturn.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/selina-meyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyers   http://lyreoflight1.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/esoteric-meaning-of-saturn/
http://www.alanoken.com/docs/saturn.htm
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2009/10/bright-side-of-saturn.html
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/esoteric-saturn
http://www.raysofwisdom.com/index.cfm?articleID=264 IP: Logged |
bella_taurus
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posted November 16, 2012 03:10 PM
My chart is ruled by the moon, THAT is a shock, because I always thought my chart was ruled by Saturn or Uranus. Nice. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted November 16, 2012 03:55 PM
How do you tell if you have a Saturn dominant chart? I have the following. Does one have to look at the whole chart to see interconnections first? Saturn in Scorpio - my sun sign
Saturn in 4th House
Moon Square Saturn
Mars SemiSquare Saturn
Venus Conjunct Saturn IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted November 16, 2012 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
How do you tell if you have a Saturn dominant chart?
http://www.astro.com/ If you have an account with your information loaded, find the "color" option on the homepage, midway down. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 16, 2012 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Ah, hello Saturn.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/selina-meyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyers http://lyreoflight1.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/esoteric-meaning-of-saturn/
http://www.alanoken.com/docs/saturn.htm
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2009/10/bright-side-of-saturn.html
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/esoteric-saturn
http://www.raysofwisdom.com/index.cfm?articleID=264
 I do believe Tina is a Taurus with moon in Leo like me.. IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted November 17, 2012 05:34 AM
Saturn is the most dominant planet in my chart. (followed by Jupiter, Venus, then Chiron) quote:
Originally posted by sand:
Those people who are described as having a Saturnine disposition are usually rather grim and without humor. Those with a strong Saturn influence may feel overwhelmed by the challenges they face in life and may proceed with excessive caution. On the other hand, someone with a prominent Saturn may achieve quite a bit, overcoming their adversity with sheer determination. These achievements may be material, financial or spiritual. It is how we react to our challenges that determine the outcome.
I think (or at least hope) both can be true of me. I do feel overwhelmed by the challenges of life at times and can become cynical or feel defeated easily, but I also have an inner drive that tells me to keep going, that there's no obstacle that can't be overcome... Also I definitely have a sense of humor and use it as a coping mechanism at times actually, but it can be very, very dry lol quote:
Originally posted by sand:
Unless a saturn ruled person is practicing yoga or meditation, they will tend to be extremist in nature, by being lazy or hyper active, timid or violent, over confidence or lack of confidence, empathy or sadism, love or hate, peace or terrorism.
Also totally completely agree with this. Yoga is amazing 
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Faith
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posted November 17, 2012 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by sand:
I have thunderthighs yes.
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Faith
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posted November 17, 2012 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
In my own experience you reap what you sow when saturn dominates your chart.You get what you deserve,luck is not involved.If you have worked hard nothing in the world can stop you from getting what you want.Life is quite hard when saturn dominates your chart.
It's interesting...I would have to say that, based on my chart, there is a little bit of what you wrote above, and a little bit of pure, unearned, incredible luck. I have a singleton Cap sun in mutual reception with Saturn, and the sun is my chart ruler. I can only be TRULY happy with the fruits of my labor. Almost nothing else satisfies. On the other hand, acccording to that color horoscope, Jupiter is my strongest planet. (Pullen has Sag as my strongest sign.) I get these windfalls of good luck. This might seem to make my path easier, but still... I can feel guilty enjoying pleasures I haven't actually *earned.*
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sand
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posted November 17, 2012 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
ROTFL
It may or may not equate to a redscorp waistline! Strange reading tho have no idea y foreign customs were included. I feel much at home in large cities though. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 18, 2012 08:38 AM
It's the sextile that makes it dominant in my chart. It is by far the tightest aspect in mine.. IC now..Jupiter sextile Saturn The sextile formed between Jupiter and Saturn shows the good business attributes of caution, prudence, and good organization, combined with optimism, enthusiasm, and expansion. You are thus able to carry through plans and fulfill your obligations, earning respect in your business or profession. You are respected for your honesty and integrity. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted November 18, 2012 11:51 AM
Hmmm...I'm not so curious as to how they calculate Pullen (because that seems to make more sense to me- it comes down to planets that are in their dominant signs), but I'm more curious as to how they calculate the color horoscope. Honestly, I do think it is a bit more accurate for me, as in Pullen everything comes down to Jupiter and Mercury, but in the color horoscope, Mercury isn't even in the top 5. It goes Jupiter, Chiron, Uranus, Sun, Venus, Saturn, and THEN Mercury. I'm thinking they do it based on number of aspects or strength of aspects (which really makes the most sense to me anyway instead of chart rulers). I do think the color horoscope is more accurate. I don't generally feel all that Mercurial, and most people I know who know astrology tell me that I don't remind them much of other Virgos and instead come off as a fire sign. Anyway... Saturn... quote:
Could it be why I feel Saturn so much? The moment it started to pass my mc and going downwards in my chart life has been less than stellar. When it squared my moon ruler of mc AND my mc. I quit something for the 1st time in my life. When it crossed my ascendant I felt people's perception of me weaken. The tightest aspect in my chart is also Jupiter sextile Saturn.
You know though... I tend to think that tSaturn functions in cycles based on aspects to your natal planets. I actually just realized that I started my current job when Saturn crossed my MC into Virgo, conjuncting my Venus/MC/Sun. I have been trying, unsuccessfully, for the last couple of years to find a new job, however, it has only been in the last half a year or so that I've realized all the strengths and assets I've gained from being in this position (as well as networking contacts), and I was then able to see my next course of action. As a result, when Saturn just recently crossed from Libra into Scorpio, it conjuncted my Pluto and natal Saturn, and sextiled my Venus/MC/Sun conjunction. THAT is when I was finally able to find a new job that is more suited to me and my strengths. It took me time to gain the knowledge/experience necessary to even see all of my strengths and know that I was capable. Sooo... While a lot of negative things have happened since Saturn crossed my MC and I felt like I couldn't handle it, ultimately, it was in the fact that I DID handle it and I kept going that I was EVENTUALLY able to learn the lesson/reap the benefits. So honestly- it may not be the fact that you 'feel Saturn more strongly' in your chart. It might just be that tSaturn tends to bring you crap until you learn what you are supposed to learn. Take a look at what other aspects are coming up for the tSaturn, and you might have your answer. Honestly Sand, you don't seem too terribly Saturnine to me. Because you have Jupiter sextile Saturn, those planets actually act like a balance to each other, since Saturn is pessimistic and Jupiter is optimistic. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 18, 2012 08:49 PM
Think this is where I got that mc, Saturn impression from. Dunno if it involves other things coz I know I went through a Uranus hard transit as well during that period.If Saturn is on the ascendant, the first house cusp, or somewhere in that vicinity, this has been called the chart of an “Early Riser.” This suggests that during the first years of this life, Saturn will be in the Formative Sector, very inwardly directed, as it moves through houses one, two, and three. At around 7 or 8 years of age, it will arrive at the fourth-house cusp, which always marks a major turning point, upward in the chart. From this point forward, for the next 15 or so years, Saturn will be rising in the chart, as it moves through the houses 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9.In fact, from the time Saturn crosses the fourth-house cusp (I.C.), there will gradually be an ever-increasing sense of confidence that builds within the child, turning away from a more inward and formative time, toward a more outward and social experience. By the time Saturn reaches the 7th house cusp and moves into the upper houses, the child will be a teenager, coming into a more outward and aware time, socially, at quite an early age. This young person may very well be socially prominent, perhaps a class leader or the center of social attention. This is why this Saturn placement is called the “Early Riser.”This social momentum continues to rise until Saturn reaches the very top of chart, so around 21 years of age this person is flying high, having rising to some kind of fruition prominence early on. But we should also point out that as Saturn crests the top of the chart, this marks a turning point, the end of the rising part of the cycle and the beginning of a new cycle, as Saturn moves downward through the chart. Many early-riser types have to be counseled to let the past go, and not to attempt to drive forward, because things will not go on just as they have been – always rising.Instead, there will a turning away from what was, the past success, and, very gradually of course, learning to listen to a new, and more inner, message, a message that will grow stronger as Saturn moves downward in the chart, eventually leading to an entirely new cycle of personal investment, and eventual return.So it should not surprise us that at around 30 years of age, just as everyone else seems to be launched firmly in one direction or another, the early-riser types take a turn inward, going back to school so to speak, and gets busy building or investing, while others seem to be harvesting the results of their work. The result stage of the early rise is delayed until later in their 30s, when Saturn crosses the 4th house cusp once again, and begins to rise through the chart, bringing a new cycle of social prominence and the results of all the investment work. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted November 18, 2012 09:44 PM
Oh... So you have Saturn in the 1st house? I'm not familiar with your chart and clearly I wasn't reading closely enough.  If Saturn is in your first, and is the closest planet to the Asc, you will actually be more influenced by Saturn. Supposedly, according to traditional astrological knowledge whatever planet is closest to your Asc- rising will be the planet you will be most highly influenced by (no matter if it's conjuncting your asc or not). So yes, Saturn near the Asc might mean that you notice the effects of tSaturn more fully. Honestly, I could see its influence being triggered by the crossing of Saturn over your MC, since Saturn traditionally rules the MC, and also, it is likely that your Saturn would have squared your natal Saturn somewhere during that time (causing extra challenges). I've found that tSaturn can often be a trigger for large/long term events, so it might seem like it drags out forever until it triggers that same planet/point again. But I guess it's all about the way you feel about it. Do you identify fairly strongly with the Saturn stuff? IP: Logged |
sand
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posted November 18, 2012 10:25 PM
Yup Saturn in 1st house Scorpio. Not the closest to my asc. Pluto gets that honor.  Hmm.. I am not sure.. See even my Jupiter is in Capricorn.. I am pessimistic at first instances.. But I have a very carefree attitude and inner belief that things will work out. Sun trine Jupiter.. At my last job I was considered very formal and rigid. Until we went out lol! My boss even said "u know ur not the handsomest dude on the team (sales has a lot of snakecharmers/ models) lol wtf ryt but ur energy definitely changes and is so noticeable socially" IP: Logged | |
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