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Topic: Mars-Pluto = higher pain threshold?
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sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1090 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 02:10 PM
I'm curious to know if anyone else with a strong Mars-Pluto aspect [conjunction, trine, square, opposition] has a higher pain threshold than average.I personally have found that I do have a higher pain threshold than most people I know. I can withstand more physical pain like burns, brains and abrasions [and trust me, Mars-Uranus has made me lucky enough to have quite a few of these!] without screaming or losing my cool. I usually don't cry out when I'm in pain unless it's extremely severe, and whereas play punching and rough housing doesn't really hurt me that much, I always have to keep myself in check when I mess around with people like that, because they are SO much more sensitive to hurting than I am. I feel like Mars-Pluto could give one the inner strength and hidden will to resist freaking from pain, due to Pluto's amazing regenerative ability to make one strong through their Mars. Anyone else have the same thing happen to them? ------------------ "Perfect love casts out fear." -Anthony de Mello IP: Logged |
libraschoice77 Knowflake Posts: 471 From: NYC Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 24, 2012 02:15 PM
Yes, I have Mars square Pluto, and I have an unusual tolerance to pain. Once accidentally spilled boiling water on my arm while cooking, and even though people around me said it looked painful, it didn't feel that bad...*Added* have also Sun/Pluto and Sun square Mars in my natal chart IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1229 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 02:26 PM
I don't really agree, though I see your point. There could be other things at play within your chart, not just a Mars-Pluto aspect. I mean that's a great deal of credit to give to one aspect. From my experience and observations I've noticed that Saturn (father of time) gives patience and discipline, meaning, those who have strong Saturn aspects if used properly can be endowed with self discipline, patience and perseverance. That combined with will power (Mars/Pluto) I would think would make an individual more capable of withstanding great pain, coupled with strong inner faith and imagination (Neptune). Mars-Pluto aspects denote will power, stamina, and a maybe even a strengthened survival instinct, but not necessarily a higher pain threshold though there are many ways to express that type of energy. Speaking for myself I have Mars quintile Pluto, with Pluto in the 8th house. I wouldn't say I have a high threshold for pain, I just seem to attract very intense experiences that might not be for the faint of heart. If I had a choice I'd rather not have to go through such troublesome experiences. Therefore my threshold for pain is dependent on the amount of pain which I tend to endure. Which is a lot. I've had my knuckles crushed, intense surgeries, depression and psychological trauma. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 55 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 02:27 PM
What of a mars/pluto conjunction in synastry? Wonder how a lower pain threshold would manifest in a relationship? Btw, I have a terribly low physical pain threshold. and I have mars/pluto conjunction in the natal chart. IP: Logged |
violet7887 Knowflake Posts: 1119 From: maya Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 02:31 PM
Yes, i would have to say so too.i once stepped right into a upward facing knife which some sicko stuck in the uncut grass next to the pool. It went almost right through my foot.I took it out of my foot and I was maybe 8 i think..the lifegaurd seemed clueless for some reason..i actually hopped my way back home even though i had seen my guts almost popping out of my foot. lol at first i was like okay..this not happening ..this is a dream..then my friend screamed OMG! and i was like okay, knife in my foot..need to run home to mommy.(moon in cancer) Mars trine Pluto. ------------------ The love you seek, you will find within. IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1702 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 02:33 PM
mars conjunct pluto in scorpiosurprisingly i wasnt in any highly painfull situations but would consider my pain threshould matbe as above avarage...got libra sun pisces rising afterall and they are delicate XD IP: Logged |
Thermidor Newflake Posts: 6 From: France Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 02:40 PM
I have a powerful Pluto (ASC Scorpio and Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio too) and Mars in Aries. I'm resistant and stay calm when I bleed or get hurt. But I'm so sensitive that I can't watch gore films. Slashers, yes I can, but not gore like Hostel or Saw. I recently watched "Shame" by Steeve McQueen and when I saw the sister oh the main character bleeding at the end of the film, with her wrists cut, I couldn't watch it, I was kicking the front seat ^^ Same thing with "Bullhead" when a child is getting his balls burst with a rock. I was going to be mad. I forced myself to think about anything else.IP: Logged |
violet7887 Knowflake Posts: 1119 From: maya Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 02:42 PM
Also, i would like to add, anyone thats pluto/scorpio dominant is naturally calmer in crisis.I am an 8th house Sun + Pluto dominant as my Pluto trines Mars, Moon and Mercury and sextiles Neptune. ------------------ The love you seek, you will find within. IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth Knowflake Posts: 137 From: GTA Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 02:55 PM
PLU CONJ MARS in SCO III - MARS ruling 8H~ (read into it how you like~ hehe) I have been in extremely painful circumstances all throughout my 28 years on this planet.... indeed - I have caught myself on fire - and was oblivious to it until my poor grandfather jumped to his feet to put it out. I endured childbirth without medication with a child that was by my delivering physician's own 45 year experience, far too large for my body to tolerate natural birth... I had emergency C-section... after going through over 6 hours of painful labour. And, I suffered from septicemia not too long ago, very severe - my body began to shut down. Anyway, the actual infection that brought it on had started 2 months prior... I suffered without knowing, and continued (with definite difficulty) to perform all my motherly/wifely duties, until I just couldn't stand/sit anymore. It was by far -THE- worst pain of my life. But, if I were to attribute it to anything in astrology, I'd say yes - but I see it sorta like NJ said above... Mars CONJ Pluto as a survival aspect. I think it goes beyond just a tolerance to physical pain, but the whole sphere of pain in general. I can't say if it is the aspect itself that allows for me personally to tolerate the pain, or more so, that I have it in a sign -the houses- where maybe that pain tolerance is transmitted on a different octave than with other sign/placements. Scorpios and Aries, both being signs that are IMHO very strong of character, and capable of physical endurance... And, having a Capricorn Sun, I think adds into it even more... You might even say that for me, I enjoy a healthy dose of pain. I'm that kinda' person.
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StacyLewis Knowflake Posts: 116 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 03:45 PM
I just posted in a similar thread about this with no question, but now that I think about it...I'm not sure the premise is really astrologically sound. I don't think how you feel and process pain would have any connection to mars or pluto; if anything, that sounds to me like it has to do more with coping mechanisms and the emotions/feelings, which probably makes it a MOON-based thing.I have Moon conjunct Pluto, and I can take a lot, pain-wise. Psychologically, physically. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1090 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 04:06 PM
Thanks for all the awesome replies everybody! @libraschoice77 That's very similar to how I can be. Where are your Mars and Pluto posited? I'm just curious. I also have Sun-Mars and Sun-Pluto! But my aspects are minor. I have Mars quintile Sun in Libra in the 10th and Sun semi-sextile Pluto. @NativelyJoan No, actually that's a brilliant point you made there... I totally overlooked Neptune as a means of soothing self-deception and purposeful disillusionment from the pain. I feel silly for not mentioning I actually am a Mars-Neptune person. I totally agree with you on that side. I also can see how Mars-Saturn could work as similar patient endurance or self-control to Mars-Pluto. Maybe Mars-Saturn people also have better endurance and tolerance for pain and annoying sensations? I'm sorry you have gone through many traumatic experiences. I have myself and I empathize with you. I have been through so much emotionally and physically. I have my Mars in the 8th and appropriately enough I need surgery in the upcoming months probably, which will be very hard on my mind and body, but I know I have to do it... but I am confident Pluto will help me regenerate. This aspect I feel has also made me escape death through self-sabatoge and suicidal feelings. I feel like every time I just wanted to give up this aspect pushed me further and further to survive. I also feel Mars-Neptune helped me soothe my pains too, by taking me elsewhere and making me focus more on expressing my pain through art than hurting myself. @Astro Keen I'm not sure about this. I had a square in my composite with someone recently and all it did was make terrible power struggles with decision making and sex. I can see how the conjunction could be quite volatile too and lead to more positive but potentially destructive sexuality and sexual expressions. I think the low tolerance for you could have to do with any other aspects both planets make, also where they are posited could contribute. @violet7887 Oh my god... that is horrible! I'm so sorry that happened to you. I have a weird sensitivity issue with my feet being my weak spot [despite usually being quite strong I guess having Pisces Saturn has made me have vulnerable feet, haha] so this makes me squirm. Awww, the Cancer influence is so sweet... I have a cousin with Moon in Cancer and he is the same, he has power struggles with his mom [Moon opp. Pluto] but in the end always goes running to her for help when anything bad happens. The comment about Scorp/Pluto influence people being calmer in crisis is SO true also. Family members who are Scorp dominant like myself are very unusually calm and enduring of terrible times... my grandma is very Scorp influenced and has withstood horrible physical conditions that nearly killed her many times with unusual calm and will to move past it, like near overdose [she was drugged unknowingly at a party] and getting attacked by a dog... history repeated itself through the same cousin I mentioned when he was attacked by a dog as a young child and his 8H Merc and Sun + Moon-Pluto pulled him through, he barely moved during the stitches. @doomlord I see what you mean. I'm the same. Libra Sun is supposed to be weak but my Sun semi-sextile Pluto also makes me stronger in my will to succeed and overcome. @Thermidor You sound a lot like my ex... he has the same combo... Moon in Scorp conjunct Pluto. I can see how Scorp Rising would make it even more intense. I know Moon-Pluto people are also supposed to have the emotional endurance to overcome anything. StacyLewis mentions that below and it is very accurate, something I forgot about. Like my ex, you can't watch horror either!! Weird coincidence. He freaks out at horror too. But he had such physical/emotional endurance that he was able to finish a race even with a broken pelvis or something awful like that. @SaturnineMoth All excellent points! What has happened to you sounds so traumatic and I'm so sorry it did. :'/ Like you, I can say that I also enjoy a good dose of pain... I'm kind of a masochist, lol. I have no shame in admitting I like light BD/SM games with people but nothing serious or crazy out of control. I think where the planets are posited coupled with house rulers also helps out... have Aries or Cap/Saturn thrown into the mix and surely your endurance will go even further. Like, I have Merc square Mars [Aries influence] and that pushes me ahead mentally. I have my Mars in the 8th of Scorpio which also pushes my Mars forward... and Neptune+Uranus in Cap opposite my Mars which reluctantly ground it. @StacyLewis You made some excellent points here. I really agree that Moon-Pluto could show emotional endurance which can be just as important as physical. I have 3 Moon-Pluto people in my life, 2 with the conjunction and they definitely have emotional endurance... even with awful circumstances I have talked to them about they say they will always try to beat it and would never resort to something like suicide as a way out. Like you, they both have taken incredible amounts of emotional and physical torture without breaking or going insane. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 2704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 05:40 PM
Mars trine PlutoI don't like pain, but I gave birth five times naturally, with no epidural. It's just like, "I gotta do what I gotta do." IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1090 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted November 24, 2012 05:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Mars trine PlutoI don't like pain, but I gave birth five times naturally, with no epidural. It's just like, "I gotta do what I gotta do."
Same here. I have a lot of bravery when I face pain that is discomforting and upsetting. Like the upcoming surgery I'm probably getting in the next few months.... I'm certainly not looking forward to that but like you said I have that 'I do what I must and I'll bite the bullet' attitude.
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libraschoice77 Knowflake Posts: 471 From: NYC Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 24, 2012 08:18 PM
Hi Sweet Scorpion, I have a 12th house Mars in Cancer and a 4th house Pluto in Libra...IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 2704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 24, 2012 09:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by sweet-scorpion: Same here. I have a lot of bravery when I face pain that is discomforting and upsetting. Like the upcoming surgery I'm probably getting in the next few months.... I'm certainly not looking forward to that but like you said I have that 'I do what I must and I'll bite the bullet' attitude.
Yes. Biting the bullet. Good luck with your surgery!
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Lonake Moderator Posts: 8852 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 24, 2012 09:54 PM
Conjunction here, yea I'd say so. I'm quick to put it in perspective and I look at other people and what they've gone through, not just my situation so that's part of it as well. A big part actually, that instinct is v.quick to kick in and stabilizes whatever I'm going through..It's a natural anesthetic for me.IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1090 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted November 25, 2012 12:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by libraschoice77: Hi Sweet Scorpion, I have a 12th house Mars in Cancer and a 4th house Pluto in Libra...
Sounds a bit similar to what I have. So you have Mars in the 12th which might make you hesitant or unsure to act, your ability/drive and motivation might be hidden away in a house as distant as this one. 4H Pluto could represent family or a figure in your life close to home who really pushed you to succeed and channel that power...or maybe very intense and sometimes disruptive/traumatic home experiences occurred that pushed you forward to move beyond them? Like having the ability to move past terrible home experiences sometimes brought on by 4H Pluto? IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1090 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted November 25, 2012 12:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Yes. Biting the bullet.Good luck with your surgery!
Thanks Faith I'm quite anxious about it but I feel ready to pursue it... hopefully I'll be all right. IP: Logged |
FireMoon Knowflake Posts: 548 From: Minnesota Registered: Mar 2012
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posted November 25, 2012 03:53 AM
I have Mars (Taurus 11th house) opposite Pluto (Scorpio 5th house) and overall I'd say yes, or even when I'm in pain I don't like to show it or make a big deal about it...Somewhat similar to violet's story (although definitely not as severe) when I was young probably around 9, I unknowingly stepped on broken glass while barefoot, it was really bad needing stiches and all that, but I didn't cry or freak out, after the shock faded I just tried to keep my focus mentally and do whatever necessary for it to be over rather than thinking about how it felt in the moment I think negative Mars-Pluto aspects can also give restlessness or impulse control issues lol, and I'm definitely not some sort of powerhouse of strength at all times, but in terms of an actual crisis, that's actually surprisingly where I shine in "keeping calm". It forces me outside of myself and I'm able to see things in a clearer perspective and start focusing on ways to solve the problem rather than just the problem itself eta: also wanted to say good luck sweet-scorpion, I'm sure you will get through it just fine! IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1229 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 25, 2012 03:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by sweet-scorpion: @NativelyJoan No, actually that's a brilliant point you made there... I totally overlooked Neptune as a means of soothing self-deception and purposeful disillusionment from the pain. I feel silly for not mentioning I actually am a Mars-Neptune person. I totally agree with you on that side. I also can see how Mars-Saturn could work as similar patient endurance or self-control to Mars-Pluto. Maybe Mars-Saturn people also have better endurance and tolerance for pain and annoying sensations?I'm sorry you have gone through many traumatic experiences. I have myself and I empathize with you. I have been through so much emotionally and physically. I have my Mars in the 8th and appropriately enough I need surgery in the upcoming months probably, which will be very hard on my mind and body, but I know I have to do it... but I am confident Pluto will help me regenerate. This aspect I feel has also made me escape death through self-sabatoge and suicidal feelings. I feel like every time I just wanted to give up this aspect pushed me further and further to survive. I also feel Mars-Neptune helped me soothe my pains too, by taking me elsewhere and making me focus more on expressing my pain through art than hurting myself.
I agree with everything you said above! Neptune can be powerful in uplifting one during moments of pain and suffering (and of course it can help in making the anguish worse through delusion if unchecked), but coupled with other things such as Pluto and Mars aspects/dominance (and even Saturn), I think that speaks to your immense fortitude. Mars in the 8th is a powerful placement, it gives you a tremendous will to fight and survive. Which is necessary in times of anguish and strife. You've got a great deal of inner strength. I've always used expression as a way to find healthier outlets for my own pain and depression. That took flight in high school when my psychological issues became almost debilitating, but artistic expression definitely helped me reconnect with myself and find something just for myself (writing, painting and photography). Surgery is horrible. Just last year I caught a very painful bacteria from a third world country. I travel a lot. Well this lethal bacteria makes it impossible to eat, if you don't get surgery or go through extensive drug therapy you overtime become malnourished and can die from complications or infection (sadly this happens to many people who don't have access to sufficient health care). I had to undergo intense eradication drug therapy that left my insides basically destroyed and my mental state a mess. But we choose our own paths in life cosmically right? I'm sure we wouldn't welcome experiences that we couldn't innately tolerate. Best of luck with your surgery ok!I know you'll get through the whole process seamlessly and be healed in no time! IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 59 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted November 25, 2012 06:14 PM
No, I am a baby! I can't even take a headache...throws me off!Mars Conjunct Pluto in Scorpio.... IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 2754 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 25, 2012 06:27 PM
I hate to bust bubbles here but a high threshhold for pain is a Capricorn traitmaybe for a boxer a strong Mars/Pluto aspect could be prominate but that would also figure into their athletic ability and not so much their ability to withstand pain. ------------------
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libraschoice77 Knowflake Posts: 471 From: NYC Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 25, 2012 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by sweet-scorpion: Sounds a bit similar to what I have. So you have Mars in the 12th which might make you hesitant or unsure to act, your ability/drive and motivation might be hidden away in a house as distant as this one. 4H Pluto could represent family or a figure in your life close to home who really pushed you to succeed and channel that power...or maybe very intense and sometimes disruptive/traumatic home experiences occurred that pushed you forward to move beyond them? Like having the ability to move past terrible home experiences sometimes brought on by 4H Pluto?
I think my Pluto in 4th basically prepared me for a tough life later on that I had no choice but to stay strong and deal with it. Watching my mother struggle when I was growing up had a powerful effect on me as I got older, she proved to be a role model of strength for me. Even more so endurance with my Mars square Pluto aspect... Nice to know someone understands my placements IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4482 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 25, 2012 07:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by lalalinda: I hate to bust bubbles here but a high threshhold for pain is a Capricorn traitmaybe for a boxer a strong Mars/Pluto aspect could be prominate but that would also figure into their athletic ability and not so much their ability to withstand pain.
Indeed,was to suggest Mars/Saturn.
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lalalinda Moderator Posts: 2754 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 25, 2012 08:29 PM
Mars/Saturn? Yes Good point Venus ------------------
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