posted December 01, 2012 09:21 PM              

I saw this response to in the Comments Section by a Guest.

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Originally posted by VR:
lol! I happen to believe the exact opposite! Oppositions: nothing in common! Not a chance! Whereas quincunxes: lots in common, lotsa fun! (I left a comment in the post about Aquarius, so I’m not gonna repeat myself here)
My natal quincunxes: Chiron inconjunct Pluto and Neptune, no idea what that means. Mars inconj. MC: no issues here. Venus inconj. Neptune: that’s a problem cause I tend to project my Neptune but imo that has more to do with Pisces being the opposite sign of Virgo than anything else.
P.S. Your (very accurate) description of Neptune reminded me of a thought I had during the Virgo debate. Fair warning, I have Mercury Q Uranus, so you’d better sit down for this one! I was thinking, since Neptune’s energy is so ego-dissolving, the sun in Virgo can not be in that bad a place, after all!!!
P.S.S. People, could you please include in your responses how you get along with the signs that are quincunx to yours? I’m so curious!!
P.S.S.S. In some 15 seconds of a degree, Neptune will enter Pisces! Yikes!
Have a nice day, all!

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The author responded.

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Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :
Opposites can form a mutually beneficial partnership of the “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” sort. They are in the same mode (e.g. both cardinal) and in complementary elements (water with earth or fire with air), so they have the potential to be very helpful to one another, unless they decided to get all oppositional and make the other “wrong.”

Example: Cancer and Capricorn–cardinal water with cardinal earth. What they have in common is a deep need for security that they both search for on a lifelong basis. Cancer looks for it in roots, a home, and family, while Capricorn looks for it in success in the outside world. Capricorn doesn’t have time to tend the home fires; Cancer doesn’t want to be out in the big bad world. Paired up, with a good working division of labor, they can be a good match.

Example: Gemini and Sagittarius–mutable air and mutable fire. They both want lots of data and lots of answers. Gemini is eager to have a teacher answer the incessant questions; Sag believes it has all the answers and wants nothing better than an eager pupil sitting at their feet, hanging on their every word.

Example: Virgo and Pisces–mutable earth and mutable water. Virgo has an endless need to fix and organize people; Pisces is looking for someone to fix and organize them.

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Out of curiosity I asked her if a Quincunx can actually be HARDER than an opposition between signs. My exact comment:

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Originally posted by ScorpioDogAC (the guest username I posted under as in the comment sections) :

Could a Quincunx actually be a Harder Aspect than an Opposition?Especially if its between the Sun and Moon?I have a Moon in Leo and Sun in Pisces and I’ve notice often i seem to act as though I’m conflicted internally-my conscious is constantly fighting with my unconscious (well not as much as I now know myself better ever since I gotten into Astrology). Without going into detail to put as an example my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.

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The author's Response.

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Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :

Yes, I do believe that, depending on the planets involved, a quincunx might br more difficult to work out, because there is no natural connection between the signs involved, while the opposite signs are in complementary elements and in the same sign type (e.g. fixed with fixed). Donna

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Response to my post by another guest poster.

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Originally posted by LB:

” . . .my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.”

I never thought of it that way, but wow, can I relate. Maybe that’s how a quincunx is supposed to work, in that it eventually demands that we make a conscious choice as to how we want to resolve our contradictions.

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So I'm curious. Could a Quincunx be harder than an Opposition?I'm now convinced so based on the article itself and the comments above that Opposites between planetary placements is overrated and not as bad as its portrayed to be in mainstream Astrology and as many light followers of Astrology seem to believe.

posted December 02, 2012 03:48 PM            

About inconjuncts, I think they're supposed to inspire change. What VDish said about being detours with benefits sounds right. It will be hard to get them to benefit you, and it'll take work and adjustment to keep them from stabbing you in the side, but if you don't give up, the two forces can go well! Being a minor aspect, the issues that inspire you to change yourself often are reinforced from the outside, as in, relating or interacting with people.

posted December 02, 2012 08:54 PM            

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted December 02, 2012 09:46 PM            

The "wonder-child" aspect of yourself can be invaluable,
connecting you with the world of spirit and your true home.
Along with this is a strong current of emotional idealism and
devotion to the Mother. This gives you a great capacity for
nurturing, empathy, mercy, and compassion, yet there is a
downside to this: a tendency to become a martyr. Beware of
sacrificing yourself to take care of other people or to try to
rescue or "save" them.

Excessive dependency, passivity, and wishing to be taken
care of are all themes around which some of your greatest
challenges revolve. Either you yourself tend to succumb to such
impulses (feeling yourself to be weak, needy, a victim) or you
may attract other people into your life who play that role. For
men, this can also lead to yearning for the perfect woman who
will love and accept them unconditionally and meet all of their
needs - but who inevitably disappoints, as flesh-and-blood women
cannot fulfill that illusion for long. Women, on the other
hand, may try to be the perfect woman, all-accepting,
all-giving. Either of these can be traps for you.

You also need to be extremely cautious with intoxicants,
mood-altering substances or practices as these can create much
confusion and distort your perceptions to the point where you
lose touch with your genuine mystical and intuitive abilities.

posted December 03, 2012 01:24 AM            

it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.
You just have to come to this point.

posted December 03, 2012 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I see the above in my Moon/Neptune opposition. Especially the victim/martyr part. It's easy to get stuck in believing in being a victim of society and lack of personal empowerment. Sometimes, it's like living on quicksand.

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posted December 03, 2012 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.

it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.
You just have to come to this point.

While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.

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posted December 04, 2012 01:29 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.

it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.
You just have to come to this point.

While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.

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posted December 04, 2012 09:40 AM              

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Originally posted by DrewMann:
I don't know how on earth you can compare a quincunx with an opposition. The opposition is the second most powerful aspect after the conjunction. Hey I know ok! I have mars opposite my sun and it carries one hell of a punch!!

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But Opposites have stuff in common like being the same modality, being in complementary elements, and more importantly even sharing same traits in common (Leo and Aquarius being individualistic and social, Capricorn and Cancer concerning about security, etc).

Yes they're opposites but their needs are similar except aimed at the reverse direction like Cancer being more concerned with the home and Capricorn being more concerned with work as far as security goes but they are also quite frugal and can handle money well.

Quincunx has nothing in common. I mean come on what does introverted fantasist Pisces have in common with courageous social Leo?

Or what does frugal homely Cancer have in common with adventitious Sagittarius or eccentric Aquarius?

I do however agree with the other posters that the planet that Quincunx can affect how hard the Quincunx aspect.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.

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I know this nagging I agree its exhausting. I can't tell you how many times before I even knew what the heck Astrology was, I felt a certain voice criticizing me all the time;or at least I felt something in my mind is not right and I'd end up collapsing into a wrecked state.

However I started understanding the fundamental facts about the Moon Signs and my own Leo Moon a while back/

Once I learned Aspects and started studying them, I learned of Quincunx. When I read what the basics of what a Quincunx is, I started thinking if hidden in my subconscious is something I don't quite know about myself.The definitions Quincunx sounded so much like internal conflict between subconscious and conscious mind. Like an "Opposition" between signs that are not considered opposite (though I would later learn that a Quincunx is the nearby signs next to an opposite sign).

I mean the description for Moon in Leo does not match me at all but it was spot on for my ideal man.

posted December 04, 2012 11:23 AM            

OK, what I see time after time in synastry now is that a natal quincunx - which often without modulation aspect in its own chart -gets the balance/regulation by a planet from the other party.
In the most balanced/powerful cases (what I notice) it would make a YOD or a Mystical triangle by putting a planet on that empty point in your chart and which so makes one.
In the case of a Mystical Triangle there's a planet which makes a Square and a Trine to your quincunx and in the case of a Yod a sextile + quincunx.
Taking myself as an example, the only quincunx that I have is Chiron/Moon and without exception in my most significant relationships there was always a strong regulator to the aspect.

posted December 05, 2012 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, the only aspect my Moon has is an exact quinkunx/ inconjunct to Saturn. great.

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posted December 05, 2012 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I have moon quincunx pluto,moon quincunx neptune and moon quincunx pluto and I can feel them more than 4 oppositions I have in my chart.I think quincunx is underestimated rather than opposition being over-exaggerated.

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I'd agree with the above

Quincunx demands a more creative style of resolution. I have to say though, I've known plenty of astrologers that have said the quincunx is a difficult aspect, and stated why. I can think of no one to quote off the top of my head, but I think the main problem is that a lot of the info on the net is basic/sometimes wrong/ and it's important to buy a few books if you're a serious student.