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Topic: The Pluto challenge?
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Suntiger Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 02, 2012 04:39 AM
I have read many aspects involving Pluto and I'm trying to understand how it influences the other person if you are the "Pluto" in the bond. For example, I recently met someone who has Venus (in Aquarius) square my Pluto, Mars and Moon (both in Taurus) in opposition to my Pluto. We're fascinated by each other and the bond is intense, but I can already sense that mind games are being played and instinct tells me to cut the bond immediately or it will be a mess. They also have these aspects in their natal chart, so does that mean they can channel their Plutonian energy better than others? What are your experiences when handling multiple aspects at once? ------------------ Leo Sun, Gemini Moon, Scorpio Rising. I will create happiness rather than pursue it. IP: Logged |
Babysmackle Knowflake Posts: 29 From: Robincrest, Virginia, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 02, 2012 06:35 PM
No one is ever one planet in a bond...come now...what makes you think such a thing?Maybe they are pluto half the time or twenty five percent of the time, and we could say this is enough to be mind numbing for the person on the receiving end... The way out of the pluto energy is to realize that it is in you too...so if the lady wishes not to be mastered by her man friend, perhaps she should uncover where she masters others and purge her own self. IP: Logged |
Suntiger Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 03, 2012 03:21 AM
Hahaha I have a lot to learn. I did think I was just the Pluto person :P isn’t that what it means in synastry? That one person brings one sort of energy and the other person brings another energy to the bond? What do you mean by “where she masters others?” I don't know if I'd want to master others o_O. Or could it mean to master herself?
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Swift Freeze Knowflake Posts: 176 From: One World Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2012 06:41 AM
The bond for any aspect will go both ways, you will be both the Pluto for that person and they will be for you, since that is the planet being activated for you and by them. With regards to how "often" this is, I don't think it is something that is either on or off. It is something intangible that both parties feel, whether concious or not.It is a connection between two people that is always there, and that Pluto energy is felt by both people, regardless of who is the "Pluto". I can see why there might be fascination between you with a square and two oppositions. That may very well lead to a great deal of discovery, revelation, and understanding for both of you about yourselves. Considering that squares are considered challenges, it may not always be comfortable. My personal feeling on oppositions is that they tend not to be as challenging, in fact they share similarities, they just express them in different ways. They have a lot to learn from each other. Either way I can understand your immediate reaction of wanting to cut yourself off. I can only suggest that you don't. Whether it works out or not, the lessons about each other, life, and yourself you learn will be invaluable for the rest of your life. Even if they are not apparent now, maybe 5, 10, 20 years down the line you will look back and think. That really changed and help shape who I became. Pluto traditionally deals with the hidden side of things. Desires and other things we barely even know ourselves, unless we are fortunate enough to be be able to touch it. I have Pluto conjunct Venus in Natal and they both touch all my other planets from Sun - Neptune. In synastry they, sextile the Sun, trine the Moon, Venus, and Mars, and sextile Jupiter. I am very much a person who embraces the discovery that Pluto can bring, I try my best to create an atmosphere where I can coax it out because I know how much it can help people. The greatest lessons we learn, are those we teach ourselves, even if we need a helping hand along the way. Everyone has their demons, everyone has their fears. I know "the cruelest prisons, are the ones we build for ourselves, out of fear, pain, and regret." - Warehouse 13. I was searching for a way to articulate how we trap ourselves, and this captures it perfectly. I only want to help set people free. Pluto isn't a challenge. Every planet is a challenge, people just tend to ignore and repress Pluto to a greater degree than other areas of their life. - Chris ------------------ Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek Happiness. Follow your dreams. IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Moderator Posts: 1871 From: UNITED STATES, BABY Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 03, 2012 09:03 AM
(I think medication is the trick.)I went to an ancient history mueseum a long time ago and I found this picture frame of William Taft.(a venus dominant) He was frowning and I realized I was looking at it from five feet away. (He was very happy up close)anyways, when I got home I took a nap(with venus! he was in my dream LOL), and dreamt about touching the sky. Venus western Saturn sidereal IP: Logged |
Suntiger Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 03, 2012 03:17 PM
Thank you for your insight Swift Freeze. I do agree that Pluto, as well as other planets, bring a lesson to learn. Pluto is just the harder one for me since it seems to dig up a lot of unresolved issues, but that's probably the point. I haven't cut the bond, as you suggested. I figured if there was a lesson I needed to learn, then life will only throw me another hard ball in order to knock that lesson into my skull lol.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 23615 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2012 07:07 PM
Welcome!------------------ "Fall down 100 times, get up 101...this is success." --ME IP: Logged |
Babysmackle Knowflake Posts: 29 From: Robincrest, Virginia, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 04, 2012 09:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Suntiger: Hahaha I have a lot to learn. I did think I was just the Pluto person :P isn’t that what it means in synastry? That one person brings one sort of energy and the other person brings another energy to the bond? What do you mean by “where she masters others?” I don't know if I'd want to master others o_O. Or could it mean to master herself?
Pluto is about who the master is and who the innocent virgin being mastered will be...that's one hypothetical...but one thing is always certain about pluto, if he or she drags you to the underworld they will be you rmaster... It is like the trick...they give you some sweet tasty treats and you take the bite. They pull the string now because you swallowed the bait... Ya dig? That's pluto....like if you have it in the sixth house you feed your coworkers pomagrante or vice versa and then you lure them in and control them...you use psychology... YA DIG! IP: Logged |
Suntiger Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 05, 2012 01:03 AM
Thank you, Randall So according to you, Babysmackle, is that the bond between two people in these aspects will be like going through hell and back? Pluto is in my first house o_O ..... lol ya dig? IP: Logged |
Babysmackle Knowflake Posts: 29 From: Robincrest, Virginia, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 05, 2012 12:52 PM
Not according to me...according to the doctrine astrology is founded on which is hermetic...as above so below, the myth reflects the energy...and some of it is intuition after learning the objective fact: the myth is a fact because it is passed down that way, the way it happens is a mystery still...It is not necessarily going through hell, it is up to the person to see it as they want...we all have free will... IP: Logged |
Suntiger Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 05, 2012 01:27 PM
Thank you Babysmackle I appreciate it.Synastry aside, what would a person with these aspects be like? Not saying the aspects would completely define the person, but still. Curiosity bites. IP: Logged | |