posted March 31, 2017 08:42 AM            

Scorpio is of course manipulative, but it's ruled by Pluto, so at least you expect it. Pluto can deal with death, power, and obsession. Plutonic people use manipulation to gain control, power, and to cope with their obsessions.

With Pisces the manipulation is much more subtle, more confusing, and by the time you realise you are being used it's too late. The sad thing is that most Pisces placements don't even recognize that they do it, since they like to play the martyr.

posted March 31, 2017 12:40 PM            

Despite me having a pisces placement, i always thought manipulation was necessary to get what you want. Usually im really good at it, but with that i tend to get this sense of superiority, or better yet, the need to compete, so i tend to project a certain image.

posted March 31, 2017 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Pieces, ruled by Neptune,the planet dealing with secrecy, deception and confusion, is the type of manipulator that catches you off guard and leaves a lasting wound, wondering how naive you were the whole time to their actions.

Scorpio is of course manipulative, but it's ruled by Pluto, so at least you expect it. Pluto can deal with death, power, and obsession. Platonic people use manipulation to gain control, power, and to cope with their obsessions.

With Pisces the manipulation is much more subtle, more confusing, and by the time you realise you are being used it's too late. The sad thing is that most Pisces placements don't even recognize that they do it, since they like to play the martyr.

No hate to either! I just deal with realism.

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posted March 31, 2017 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
I got 5 planets in either Pisces or Scorpio. I don't consider myself a manipulator at all AND I hate to manipulate anyone! But perhaps what you said here is right - maybe I just don't know I'm being manipulative.... haha

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My mother is a Pisces sun, and has a Pisces heavy chart. She has an incredibly kind heart, very self sacrificing, unselfish, and hates hurting people she loves. However, she is the master at manipulation and deception, but she doesn't realize she does it. I confronted her about how much her manipulation had hurt me, and she claimed it never happened (she didn't remember, indicating confusion/secrecy on her part) but then later cried and apologized *if* she did hurt me. I had a Pisces ex who realized he was deceptive to me, and he broke down and cried. However, he is still committing the same deceptions in his current relationship.

My experience with Scorpios is that they are genuine, but when they are manipulative or deceptive they usually acknowledge it after the events have played out. There's no confusion. They don't want to hurt people, but if they have been wronged they have a toxic sting.

The key is self awareness. If you can break the fog and rose colored glasses of Neptune, then you can become more aware of your actions. I find that strong Saturn placements help hinder Neptune as well. Saturn is harsh reality, hard work, and overcoming obstacles.

posted March 31, 2017 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
[b] I got 5 planets in either Pisces or Scorpio. I don't consider myself a manipulator at all AND I hate to manipulate anyone! But perhaps what you said here is right - maybe I just don't know I'm being manipulative.... haha

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My mother is a Pisces sun, and has a Pisces heavy chart. She has an incredibly kind heart, very self sacrificing, unselfish, and hates hurting people she loves. However, she is the master at manipulation and deception, but she doesn't realize she does it. I confronted her about how much her manipulation had hurt me, and she claimed it never happened (she didn't remember, indicating confusion/secrecy on her part) but then later cried and apologized *if* she did hurt me. I had a Pisces ex who realized he was deceptive to me, and he broke down and cried. However, he is still committing the same deceptions in his current relationship.

My experience with Scorpios is that they are genuine, but when they are manipulative or deceptive they usually acknowledge it after the events have played out. There's no confusion. They don't want to hurt people, but if they have been wronged they have a toxic sting.

The key is self awareness. If you can break the fog and rose colored glasses of Neptune, then you can become more aware of your actions. I find that strong Saturn placements help hinder Neptune as well. Saturn is harsh reality, hard work, and overcoming obstacles.

For reference, I have Neptune conjunct Sun, so I resonate with Pisces suns.[/B][/QUOTE]

Hm interesting @ Mergoatsun!

I have never been in a situation where someone confronted me of being a manipulator... And like your mom, I honestly don't know if I have been a manipulator?? Just to clarify, manipulating someone is for one's benefit... Am I understanding this correct? If so, I have never manipulated anyone for my own benefit.

posted March 31, 2017 08:25 PM            

And it's not because I don't know whether or not I'm being manipulative, it really is because I don't do anything to manipulate anyone. I don't even think I know anyone who's manipulative. I don't surround myself with negative people, especially those who use others.

posted April 01, 2017 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by quinnlycanastro:
I quite like a man who's a Pisces{scorp decan], Cancer Moon, Scorp ic con Nep in Scorp. Can't say I'm worried about being manipulated, but then I have a Venus/Pluto conjunction and a Scorp asc, along with other aspects to Pluto.

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