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Topic: Pisces or Scorpio who is the better manipulator?
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butterflyxoxxo
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From: seattle
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:36 PM
  
I think Pisces is good at making people feel bad and playing the victim. Also they are very good at making you think they feel your pain and again make you feel guilty about getting mad at them in the first placeScorpio, we get our way more directly by icing you out but it can get old fast. Also, we use sex as a weapon all the time but people are quick to notice that. However the Pisces is not as strong willed and Scorpio will try try try to get their way! Winner? Scorpio but Pisces has more style ------------------
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butterflyxoxxo
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From: seattle
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:40 PM
What is really scary is having a Pisces with a Scorpio decan arguing with a Scorpio with a Pisces decan IP: Logged |
Maelstrom
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From: Rule Britannia
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
I think Pisces is good at making people feel bad and playing the victim. Also they are very good at making you think they feel your pain and again make you feel guilty about getting mad at them in the first placeScorpio, we get our way more directly by icing you out but it can get old fast. Also, we use sex as a weapon all the time but people are quick to notice that. However the Pisces is not as strong willed and Scorpio will try try try to get their way! Winner? Scorpio but Pisces has more style
As a Pisces sun myself it's hard to remain impartial. But I have always resented this notion of Pisces playing the "victim". I dont doubt for a minute that many do, but I know of plenty of other signs that are more than capable of pulling the victim card. I have never been and never will be anyone's "victim". I do agree that Scorpio is a better manipulator and I also agree that Pisces feels people's pain. That in itself makes us vulnerable to others feelings, and therefore less likely to manipulate them - we feel guilty I suppose. Interestingly I am a Scorpio decan Pisces and my sister is a Pisces decan Scorpio.....we fought like hell growing up! ------------------
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KarkaQueen
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From: LURKING
Registered: May 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 12:53 PM
The worst Pisces Sun I met had it in the Scorpio decan.Hes flaky, unstable, and a liar.. grr he makes me so mad... He acts "nice" (PRETENDS to be more like it) then he starts being detached and mean.... IP: Logged |
quinnlycanastro
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Registered: Jul 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:53 PM
I quite like a man who's a Pisces{scorp decan], Cancer Moon, Scorp ic con Nep in Scorp. Can't say I'm worried about being manipulated, but then I have a Venus/Pluto conjunction and a Scorp asc, along with other aspects to Pluto. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: LURKING
Registered: May 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 12:54 PM
but I dont trust Scorpio Moons either  My mom is Scorpio Sun Pluto dominate and she hates manipulators IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: LURKING
Registered: May 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 12:55 PM
BEWARE of the Pisces Sun (especially) and the Scorpio MoonBut enjoy the feel of Pisces Moon and Scorpio Sun  I like Scorp Moon its great but it also has a bad side I kind of dislike Pisces Sun but love Pisces Moon
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Maelstrom
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From: Rule Britannia
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 01:00 PM
LMFAO.Unleash the Pisces bashing!!!!! IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: LURKING
Registered: May 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
LMFAO.Unleash the Pisces bashing!!!!!
No I am weary of Pisces Sun's bad effects.. its more scarier than Scorpio or Cancer I think Pisces Sun good side is ok I guess but they seem "hideen" IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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From: vodka fine, I'm so divine
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 01:49 PM
Water signs in general have a propensity to emotional manipulation. You have to keep an eye on them...it's easy for them to develop...well, issues. (Libra is a great manipulator too btw) IP: Logged |
Maelstrom
Knowflake Posts: 437
From: Rule Britannia
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
No I am weary of Pisces Sun's bad effects.. its more scarier than Scorpio or Cancer I thinkPisces Sun good side is ok I guess but they seem "hideen"
Fair enough, you have obviously met some pretty shady feb/March-borns so I appreciate how that shapes the opinion. Personally I could never quite share the very apparent enthusiasm about Scorpio Suns as I had a vile grey lizard/serpant for a father. I have been blessed with two incredible scorpio children, one of which is a triple scorpio. it forced me to re-evaluate my once biased and closed minded opinion. ------------------
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jupitersgirl
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posted December 06, 2012 01:57 PM
Scorpios are THE manipulators. Pluto is the planet of manipulation. IP: Logged |
Maelstrom
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From: Rule Britannia
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 01:58 PM
Please excuse the typos! IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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From: Gaea's Omphalos
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 02:05 PM
They're both good at manipulations when they want to be... methinks.(Pisces sun father, and one of my best galpals) Got mostly female Scorpion friends to judge from~ not that they're really into manipulating anything - don't have to, I guess. I see them more as tactical-strategist than as manipulators. haha oh my dad was a sly fish back in the day... all smiles but inside piranha teeth. <3 my friend has a very dark-fishy side to her... and I've seen her manipulate circumstances to her benefit. But, wouldn't begrudge her... and, can't rightly say that's usual for Pisces... they were both genuinely good people inside. oh yes, my Libra momma could run circles around the Pisces and Scorpios I know --- she's extremely good with manipulation - think she majored in it at some point before I was born... hmmm IP: Logged |
charlie
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Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 02:17 PM
I feel a need to add something...Pisces' I have known and know: Pisces (decan 1)/Scorpio Moon : intuitive and a non-bs'r, nice until you cross him. He'll NEVER forgive you!!! Pisces (decan 3)/Cancer Moon: VERY intelligent, a stalker and cry-baby, nice as long as you don't cross him.. Pisces (decan 1)/Cancer Moon: intelligent, a flake if he doesn't get things his way. Pisces (decan 3)/Sag Moon: super passive-aggressive, is NEVER wrong and a cry-baby. Pisces (decan 3)/Gemini Moon: 2-faced, shown signs of schizoid tendencies, and a liar. There you go. IP: Logged |
Fishy Phoenix
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From: San Diego
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 05:04 PM
I would say we Scorpios are (better).
It depends. Scorpios (me) are better at manipulating situations in their favor. Pisces, on the other hand can more easily manipulate people and peoples emotional states.I'm also a Pisces Rising. And Dad is a Pisces sun. ..remember to us this is a tool in our bag. It's for a reason. We can use it for 'good' or 'bad' depending on our level of development. Pisces are generally, at their proper stage, very gentile souls. Emotionally manipulative is possible though. Scorpios, however, actively seek out details/intelligence on any given situation. Then plan accordingly to our future vision. Very patiently I might add. We decide based on all the data we have gathered what the best strategy, statistically, would be. It's usually very thought out and deliberate. We try and manipulate situations NOT people.
That would be a violation of free will.
We try and avoid that Karma at all cost. Most people misjudge that about us. Being strategic vs manipulating people. So really it depends on which type of manipulation you think is more deadly 
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Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 06:24 PM
Pisces!!! IP: Logged |
Padre35
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From: Asheville, NC, US
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 06:27 PM
Pisces, hands down for me.I can see games coming from a mile a way, so Scorpios are easy for me to handle Pisces though, get close to you emotionally, you know they are playing a game on you but one is so invested it nearly always works IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 06:29 PM
Pisces get the best results.
Scorpions get some results, but also gather some enemies along the way and they can make things more difficult for themselves. Pisces almost always get their cake and eat it to.. Everyone loves them in the end and even their worst enemies end up being either neutral or friendly towards them. You can't beat Pisces. It's like trying to punch a whole into the ocean. IP: Logged |
Libreo
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From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 07:26 PM
My daughter has Scorp Asc conjunct moon and is a Pisces sun. You can't fool her, you can't play mind games with her, you can't lie to her, you cannot manipulate her. But the thing is she does none of these things either. You'd think she was a Sag, she's very 'tell it how it is and if you don't like it then bye bye', and also loyal to a fault. She intimidates me and she's only 13. I have so much admiration for her. I pity the person who tries to pull a swifty on her. Boy will they regret it.IP: Logged |
11nahyt
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From: Neptune. where the witches wear givenchy
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by jupitersgirl:
Scorpios are THE manipulators. Pluto is the planet of manipulation.
and neptune is the ILLUSIONIST. the deceiver,the puppet master. i could have sworn pluto was referred to as the planet of power, and obsessions. and neptune being the manipulator? lol anyways...
the difference i've noticed between a scorpio and pisces when it comes to manipulating, is that pisces tend to do it even when they aren't aware their doing it.or they do it, just cause they can and tend to get away with it. whereas a scorpio has usually resorted to manipulating, with a reason.like they can switch it on and off. but with pisces, its like the switch is always on lol. with pisces its like giving a gun(the "gift" of being able to manipulate so well) to a baby.and they do all this, while sporting that "life is pretty great" smile they tend to have. FOH lol. this is only in my experience though. not generalizing. i have clashed with every single pisces i've met because of this. i smell their BS a mile away. and it ****** me off when they act like victims, when you confront them about it. its like at first they are trying to push you,or some sh*t, and when they cant get to you, they resorted to victimizing themselves. and all of this for NO reason.like its just a game to them
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AriesKat
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From: Brooklyn, NY USA
Registered: May 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 09:32 PM
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Libreo
Knowflake Posts: 1180
From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 06, 2012 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
and neptune is the ILLUSIONIST. the deceiver,the puppet master. i could have sworn pluto was the planet of power, and obsessions. and neptune being the manipulator lolanyways...
the difference i've noticed between a scorpio and pisces when it comes to manipulating, is that pisces tend to do it even when they aren't aware their doing it.or they do it, just cause they can and tend to get away with it. whereas a scorpio has usually resorted to manipulating, with a reason.like they can switch it on and off. but with pisces, its like the switch is always on lol. with pisces its like giving a gun(the "gift" of being able to manipulate so well) to a baby.and they do all this, while sporting that "life is pretty great" smile they tend to have. FOH lol. this is only in my experience though. not generalizing. i have clashed with every single pisces i've met because of this. i smell their BS a mile away. and it ****** me off when they act like victims, when you confront them about it. its like at first they are trying to push you,or some sh*t, and when they cant get to you, they resorted to victimizing themselves. and all of this for NO reason.like its just a game to them
I really hate to say this but I have Pisces Asc and yes this is me. This is my ugly side. I do all of this. I'm only now, at 39, realising that this is where Iv'e gone so wrong with people for so long and never understood why. It's because Iv'e been doing exactly this, but not really being aware of it. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 06, 2012 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
I think Pisces is good at making people feel bad and playing the victim. Also they are very good at making you think they feel your pain and again make you feel guilty about getting mad at them in the first placeScorpio, we get our way more directly by icing you out but it can get old fast. Also, we use sex as a weapon all the time but people are quick to notice that. However the Pisces is not as strong willed and Scorpio will try try try to get their way! Winner? Scorpio but Pisces has more style
Mmm.... not a good question just for the mere fact that Pisces and Scorpio have totally different motivations. Now, if you compared, say, Leo and Scorpio I think that would be a more equal playing field. Leo and Scorpio are both completely "ego." Pisces is not. I think Scorpio is better at being a puppetmaster and Pisces is better at being a wolf in disguise. Pisces are excellent at manipulating your feelings. Scorpio doesn't care about manipulating your feelings, just planting the seed in your mind to get you wondering and then leading from there.
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hannaramaa
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posted December 06, 2012 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Pisces get the best results.
Scorpions get some results, but also gather some enemies along the way and they can make things more difficult for themselves. Pisces almost always get their cake and eat it to.. Everyone loves them in the end and even their worst enemies end up being either neutral or friendly towards them. You can't beat Pisces. It's like trying to punch a whole into the ocean.
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This! ****** me off! IP: Logged |
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