posted December 07, 2012 08:32 AM            

So generally speaking, what aspects or placements do you think that make someone manipulative?

posted December 07, 2012 08:56 AM            

When it comes to control and manipulation I think we would need to look to Pluto - being the planet of control. I would suggest looking at aspects involving Pluto and Mercury, Mercury being the planet of communication.

The most controlling/manipulative person I know has a cancer sun, but is Pluto dominant. Pluto aspects all his interpersonal planets, including Mercury. I happen to care very deeply for this person so I recognise when and why he attempts to manipulate, it seems he cant stop himself.

posted December 07, 2012 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Firstly, I love those jumping frog icons, I'll have to wrk out how to do them too!

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I love the bouncing frogs too, they look so sassy
All you have to do is write ": bounce :" without the gaps

posted December 07, 2012 12:17 PM            

Mars in Libra conjunct Saturn in Libra 11th house
Sun in Pisces 4H trine Uranus
Sun square Neptune EXACT
Moon in Capricorn square Saturn and Mars
Mercury in Pisces Square Uranus
Venus in Aqua trine Mars in Libra

Libra stellium in 11th

posted December 07, 2012 12:29 PM            

Your reply is interesting, much Libra involved, and actually I'm so surprised I forgot Libras, because yeah I've known some that acted manipulating.

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:

Sun square Neptune EXACT

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^However, about this I thought that with this aspect the individual is the one that can have illusions and be easily manipulated than others

posted December 07, 2012 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
@KarkaQueen

Your reply is interesting, much Libra involved, and actually I'm so surprised I forgot Libras, because yeah I've known some that acted manipulating.

^However, about this I thought that with this aspect the individual is the one that can have illusions and be easily manipulated than others

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Sun square Neptune is a slippery personality, and yes they can be prone to manipulate.. very very badly.

I have Sun Oppos Neptune conjunct ASC but I dont manipulate anyone they manipulate me.
Mars and Sun Cancer 6H isnt too strongwilled either..

posted December 07, 2012 01:04 PM            

<-Mars Pluto in Sco III

been called manipulative in the past more than a few times... not something I'm proud of and I don't deliberately use manipulation in any form or to any purpose~ but, I think the potential is there, and if triggered maybe by a situation or transit, or what have you... Pluto in Scorp, and personal planets in Scorp, maybe those 8h/12h positions... and sure planets tightly aspect to Pluto or even Saturn --- may cause manipulative tendencies... power/control issues, more or less... I don't think just because it's in someone's chart (however/just to be clear) that such a person will be manipulative!~ but that they may have to control their impulses and deviant nature a little better, reign in their desires... they have an innate, pool - to draw from in these cases... likewise I'd think anyone with strong Mercury and Neptune aspects would have such a pool to draw from in manipulations~ so it's not confined just to Scorpio/Pluto elements/houses... but a mixture of each that may reinforce the urge, or inadvertently trigger such tendencies for manipulation in someone (even those with overall, seemingly good charts/good character).

Just my 2bits worth~

posted December 07, 2012 01:45 PM            

Beware of Pisces Moon as well, at times, esp square moon lol!!

Another manipulative, but more hot headed and likes discord (like the other one but yeah)

Scorpio Moon Scoprio Sun

posted December 07, 2012 10:57 PM            

I second Scorp also.

posted December 08, 2012 12:17 AM            

I have Pluto in Scorpio, exactly conjunct Mercury, conjunct Jupiter (orb 1), conjunct Sun in Sagittarius (orb 8 or something, anything within 10 degrees is fair game for conjunctions, right?), and square Mars in Leo (orb 2). My Venus is also in Scorpio, but not aspecting Pluto.

All of this is in the 7th house.

But I don't think I've very manipulative? Maybe it's the Sagittarius Sun influence, I don't know.

posted December 08, 2012 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Firstly, I love those jumping frog icons, I'll have to wrk out how to do them too!

When it comes to control and manipulation I think we would need to look to Pluto - being the planet of control. I would suggest looking at aspects involving Pluto and Mercury, Mercury being the planet of communication.

The most controlling/manipulative person I know has a cancer sun, but is Pluto dominant. Pluto aspects all his interpersonal planets, including Mercury. I happen to care very deeply for this person so I recognise when and why he attempts to manipulate, it seems he cant help himself and doesn't realise he is doing it.

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This is me! I am a Cancer Sun (decan 2) but Pluto squares my sun, moon and mercury. If I am left to my own devices I WILL manipulate you...and then I'll manipulate you so that you won't know you were being manipulated in the first place.

posted December 09, 2012 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Libra can be surprisingly manipulative... Libra is an air sign, and famous Libran serial killers have been known for being able to say the right thing - air = communication - at the exact right time to be so successful in their terrible deeds.
These people know what you'll wanna hear and will say it to snow you, get their way! Fortunately most Librans don't do it for violent purposes.

I second Scorp also.

Other ideas: Mercury square Pluto in the 7th, Mercury in Scorpio un-aspected

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posted December 09, 2012 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Yeah, I had forgotten Libras, but I agree with you..
I have to ask why Mercury in the 7th??

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posted December 04, 2015 03:18 AM            

"Haha, **** yeah! I'm so cunning and manipulative! My charisma is off the charts! I'm like Jim Jones. Just drink the kool-aid and you'll be under my spell <3 xoxo"

posted December 04, 2015 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by inaworldofsong:
Welp, according to the general consensus I would be a master manipulator!

Or maybe I manipulate people without knowing, and am actually far more cunning than I give myself credit for.

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posted December 04, 2015 09:55 AM            

Like I do a lot of reading and I know what tactics to use to make people feel a certain way and I can just as well manipulate situations.. I don't however because unless I'm doing it as a private joke to myself or to prove to myself I can accomplish it as a mini mission whenever I try to manipulate someone I feel so wrong and fake and I can't do it

So like all these great skills I have I cant even use because I don't want to be fake