posted December 17, 2012 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

Frankly, yeah - there are some astrological aspects that indicate a person might be more inclined to commit murder than other placements, IF they don't learn how to handle and harness that energy.

You really don't know? This is gradeschool-level, basic astrology.

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Well, since this is basic, gradeschool level astrology, I'm sure you will have some links handy to support your statement.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

Mars-Pluto hard aspects. Mars-Uranus hard aspects would make someone fly off the handle and possibly engage in impulsive acts of violence. Especially if you see both in a chart at once. Pluto afflictions, something that would give a person a need to feel dominance or power over another.

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Yes, I see. Someone just like me. I have sun and Jupiter square Pluto...don't mean to scare you.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
There's other aspects that indicate possible lack of empathy and an inclination towards cruelty as well.

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Sounds like you are talking about a lot of aspects. Sounds like virtually everyone will have something indicating some worrisome problems.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
No one's talking about quarantining the kids with those into a separate 'anger management' class, that's stupid.

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Actually, that's exactly what iQ was talking about, separating them and treating them differently, and I said that was stupid and you stared at me blankly. That's how this little exchange got started.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
The point is keeping an eye on them from afar, for teachers to watch how they interact with other people and how they handle situations where they're angry or frustrated. And the second they see the kid do something like haul off and hit another kid, take them aside and let them know that's NOT an acceptable form of behavior and giving them other methods and ways to handle and process their negative emotions.

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Teachers do that anyway. You don't need a chart to know which children are aggressive, you need perception.

Maybe they should only hire teachers with charts that indicate psychic ability? Oh but that would be discriminatory.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
"If you're mad, go hit the rubber clown balloon in the corner or go write and get it out of your system that way."

Simple.

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Actually, I wouldn't want my children being trained to hit anything, that's barbaric.

Not so simple!

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
In all the firsthand instances I've seen, they all had some kind of heavy Mars, Saturn or Pluto afflictions, working in tandem with actual childhood abuse, whether, physical, sexual or emotional.

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I wonder how much of the general population has "some kind of heavy Mars, Saturn, or Pluto afflictions."

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

In short - not that you should abuse any child, but a kid with aspects like Saturn-Pluto, Mars-Pluto, etc...should really be treated with kid gloves.

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posted December 17, 2012 02:59 PM            

Pholus saggy@19, ixion saggy@19
Ixion was the first murderer...asteriod Ohno aqua@18.47

Dejanira leo@1.25
Asteroid Newtonia leo@0.43---the town was Newton Ct.

Asteriod Prey saggy@9 was an exact opposition to retrograde gemini jupiter gemini@9

Asteroid deprez pisces@4 is on chiron pisces@5 conjunct neptune pisces@0, squaring jupiter, prey and mercury

asteriod Sado saggy@4, mercury saggy@4. prey saggy@9, deprez pisces@4, chiron pisces@5, neptune pisces@0.50

Asteriod Narcissus saggy@29 was squaring Pallas pisces@24 ...a loss of wisdom due to inflated ego and narcissism
Nessus in 1st squares 11th house N.node

pallas/ceres/karma/narcissus make a mutable square

Another thing is uranus is stationary/direct....that is crazy energy sitting there like a fog on top of you....you cant focus it, so its just sitting there on top of you driving you crazy!
That uranus is squared both pluto and the moon!

his name is Adam Lanza
Asteriod 172525 Adamblock scorpio 28°22'19"
683 Lanzia scorpio 28°52'38"

True Node scorpio 25°52'52"

Vertex leo 26°40'21"

Sedna taurus@22.55 is on IC--Betrayal by the ones you love, family, being betrayed or cut off by those who are supposed to protect you.

posted December 17, 2012 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:

Blaming the Astrologer for helping the parent counsel the child correctly, into believing his good, than succumbing to a life of introversion and ultimately criminal implosion? Akin to blaming a doctor who insists on keeping anti-allergy shots just in case there is accidental ingestion of suspected allergic foods. As simple as that.

Denial, always the most predictable human response.

IMHO, Any parent who truly loves their child and knows astrology would never hesitate to identify the weaknesses and afflictions in their child's natal charts, that they can eliminate the effects of these weaknesses.

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+ 1000

It's way past the time of playing the 'Point the Finger' or 'No, Not MY Child' games. Not enough is done in a child's early years to help identify and improve these conditions that can turn heartbreakingly dark and ugly, as we've been seeing lately.

Examining the natal chart for potentials only makes sense, and as with everything else it's all in how it's done.

posted December 18, 2012 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
I am 100% sure, had this kids chart been known and had he been counseled in his teenaged phase into believing that he too could make a positive impact in the world, then he would never have taken this macabre step.

Nobody is speaking of "Apartheid" based on charts. Social apartheid and possible lack of parental appreciation is what triggered him to succumb to the dark aspects of his chart. Counseling based on charts however is the most sensible act for any psychologist who has studied trans-personal astrology.

IMHO, Any parent who truly loves their child and knows astrology would never hesitate to identify the weaknesses and afflictions in their child's natal charts, that they can eliminate the effects of these weaknesses.

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iQ, thank you for explaining the salient points from his chart.

Good thread!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 18, 2012 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Very true, Sorcha. Most of the accounts of his family life point towards obscurity over his problems. It was stated that his older brother never spoke of him at all. Ryan's friends mentioned knowing a younger brother existed, but nothing more.

The mother was said to be a regular at a local bar, who also rarely spoke of the younger son though much praise was bestowed on the eldest. It was stated the mother didnt know what to do with her brilliant but odd son. Also that the parents divorce allegedly had a huge impact on the boy. It is sad to think if this could have been avoided. Perhaps if mental health wasn't so stigmatized, more people would face realities and seek help for their troubled children.

. We will never know for sure, but it does seem the family life was dysfunctional as the indication is the boy was so hidden and removed. I wonder if the boy was closer to his father and somehow blamed the mother for the divorce which brought rage.

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Agreed. I don't want to bring up the gruesome aspects of the case, but I will say from what I've read about the scene of the crime, it would definitely seem that there were some pretty severe issues going on between mother and son. And Tr. Pluto conjuncting his Moon (if that is indeed the case) would definitely echo that.