posted December 15, 2012 04:10 AM            

2. At the time of the first murder [9-9:15 AM approx], Sun was in 12th House, and so were Pluto-Moon conjunct, NEMESIS, OSIRIS, PHOLUS and DNA. Suicidal/Murderous Energy was at its peak in Newton Connecticut.

3. PANDORA conjunct North Node in Scorpio, ANUBIS and Saturn are conjunct in Scorpio too.

4. Just like the Axis of Earthquakes, the School Shootings occurred when Ascendant touched 23-24 Capricorn. Sidereal 0.0 Capricorn.

5. The name of the school had to be SANDY, just like the hurricane.
SANDY = SANTA = SATAN.

Personal Note:
I am crestfallen at the deaths of innocent young children. This has happened too often this year, it is like a wave of death is being planned using depressed young male "sleepers" in America. Triggered for trivial reasons, weapons readily accessible, dressing up like comic book characters... A whole "Meme" has been embedded in the consciousness of the young and the hopeless.
They think they are losers, they are depressed, so they want to take a few with them. And because they think they are losers, they will attack the softest targets: women and children. Not one of these killers will have the courage to open fire in a Wall Street Bank board room nor on a Zapata Gang meeting.

It is the duty of every school psychologist to make Natal Charts of the children.
The candidates who can be triggered to kill can be spotted and counseled from a young age.
Parallelly, stop weapons of death from being accessible so easily. Tasers are more than enough for self defence.

If concrete steps are not taken to address the psychological stress, then hundreds of hopeless youth will take this most evil of options because of the media exposure and emotional attention given to the killer. When the Mind is warped, negative attention also seems heroic.

Wake up and Wake up FAST.

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posted December 15, 2012 10:05 AM            

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It is the duty of every school psychologist to make Natal Charts of the children.
The candidates who can be triggered to kill can be spotted and counseled from a young age.

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Absolutely not!!! I firmly believe that the astrological chart CANNOT show potential serial killers. I've seen it repeated often enough in astrology books to believe it: sometimes the best people have the "worst" charts, and vice versa!

I mean Tim Tebow, hyper-Christian who says "God Bless" to all, has an almost identical chart with that Van Der Sloot guy who killed Natalie Halloway and others.

Experiments have been done where they switched the gifted class with the remedial class, telling the actual remedial children that they were the gifted ones, and telling the gifted ones that they were behind and needed extra help. Of course, you know what happened. The so-called remedial children started to excel in school, and the gifted ones fell back!

Children are VERY impressionable, usually more psychic than adults, and are extremely vulnerable to expectations.

It would be completely tragic and unfair to single out children as potentially dangerous, based on their charts. You might actually create criminals by treating them like future threats.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm going overboard here, but this issue hit a nerve with me.

posted December 15, 2012 10:20 AM            

i do think it could be up to informed parents to help a child/adolescent understand what might be going on with them based on their charts.

i remember hearing some sort of quote about not being able to tell the natal chart of a saint because they would have risen above it.

posted December 15, 2012 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i have a better idea, how about families learn about each others charts together? that way they can learn to love , support, and understand each other better... i think most problems start in the home. i know my family could have benefited from knowing more about astrology,.most people could.

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posted December 15, 2012 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i have a better idea, how about families learn about each others charts together? that way they can learn to love , support, and understand each other better... i think most problems start in the home. i know my family could have benefited from knowing more about astrology,.most people could.

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posted December 15, 2012 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Had this kid Lanza got counseling into being an extrovert, 200 direct family members of the murdered toddlers would not be grieving right now.

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Say, What!? :O

Many gang members, bullies, rapists and so on - are extroverts and that's not helping... around 75% of world population are extroverts wile 25% are introverts... some of those also qualify as ambiverts...

That's like saying something like "hey, if we counsel black people in to being white, maybe we'll see less gangs on streets"... just an example of absurdity, no offense intended.

You don't know what it means to be an introvert or an extrovert - and i really disliked being judged indirectly for the way others behave - trough stereotypes. Not sure of the exact statistics but I'm pretty sure there are at least 1000 x more atrocities caused by Extroverts compared to the ones caused by Introverts... but since the majority of the population is covered by extroverts, the population adapts to this atrocities as if they're normal... but when a kid with problems does this and he happens to be a loner - or even worst a Pariah, many extroverts blame it on introversion as if that has anything to do with his "mental health issues, being abused or who knows what really happen to that kid"... and not surprisingly - "in some cases the extroverts are the cause for those misfortunes, bullying some poor kid till he can't take it anymore....wile the others laugh about it" ... and then they act surprised latter, when something like this happens... which i presume it's not the case here - but it was in other similar situations.

- short story "extroversion" consumes introverts... it's not that introverts can't behave like extroverts - they do it on occasions and enjoy the moment but if they keep up with that - they start feeling like a fish on land and desperately need some time of their own (like a fish needs water) - "they need that to recharge their batteries".

- extroverts are the opposite - they get their energy from groups of people - they can't stand being secluded for to long...

Here's nice videoclip on what it means to be an introvert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4

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posted December 15, 2012 03:51 PM            

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That would also create problems. We all grow up surrounded by these people and if they treat us like we are bad people then... more criminals are born.

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posted December 15, 2012 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Absolutely not!!! I firmly believe that the astrological chart CANNOT show potential serial killers. I've seen it repeated often enough in astrology books to believe it: sometimes the best people have the "worst" charts, and vice versa!

I mean Tim Tebow, hyper-Christian who says "God Bless" to all, has an almost identical chart with that Van Der Sloot guy who killed Natalie Halloway and others.

Experiments have been done where they switched the gifted class with the remedial class, telling the actual remedial children that they were the gifted ones, and telling the gifted ones that they were behind and needed extra help. Of course, you know what happened. The so-called remedial children started to excel in school, and the gifted ones fell back!

Children are VERY impressionable, usually more psychic than adults, and are extremely vulnerable to expectations.

It would be completely tragic and unfair to single out children as potentially dangerous, based on their charts. You might actually create criminals by treating them like future threats.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm going overboard here, but this issue hit a nerve with me.

I'm a mom.

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Actually, yeah - a chart *does* show potentials. Having said that, to use that cliche, "the stars incline, but do not compel".

I think you misunderstood the OP too. I think he's talking less about singling out these kids and harassing them, and more about teaching kids who have the potential to handle their anger in a negative manner, healthier ways of coping before they...go out and shoot up a school full of babies.

posted December 15, 2012 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
It is because children are impressionable that we should counsel the potential criminals into believing the best and positive aspects of their charts. No counselor is going to say that XYZ is a criminal. We can also prevent them from getting weapons of death by convincing them that they do not need it. A Taser is sufficient for such kids. It is about common sense reframing, for the greatest good of all concerned. Had this kid Lanza got counseling into being an extrovert, 200 direct family members of the murdered toddlers would not be grieving right now.

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"Taser is sufficient." Wow.

"Counseling would have prevented" you say...but lots of murderers were counselled.

I agree with aquaguy, it begins in the home. The home environment should be the focus of reform. I wouldn't want to see astrological profiling going on in the schools; this would mean, the institutionalization of therapies that instead ought to be carefully individualized. School-type protocols tend to miss the mark, look no further than the failure of US schools to provide internationally competitive education for confirmation of that fact.

And really...anger management class for "specially chosen" kids? And you think they aren't going to catch on?

posted December 15, 2012 08:22 PM            

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Actually, yeah - a chart *does* show potentials. Having said that, to use that cliche, "the stars incline, but do not compel".

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Which aspects are you referring to, that would show, as iQ said, "the candidates who can be triggered to kill." ?

He wasn't talking about anger problems, he said "triggered to kill."

So what in the chart shows "potential murderer," pray tell.

posted December 16, 2012 10:43 AM            

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I would seriously punch the astrologer or psychologist in the face if he suggested my child had to have counselling and treated like a liability because of certain aspects from vague asteroids discovered in the 20th century and which are interpreted by its name.

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While I wouldn`t resort to punching anyone, I certainly would raise h*ll if such a farfetched diagnosis labled my child. To say an asteroid or natal chart is a basis for a demented act is throwing the baby out with the bathwater .

Look toward this first : (imho)

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A whole "Meme" has been embedded in the consciousness of the young and the hopeless.

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posted December 16, 2012 01:43 PM            

I don't know it all seems too horrible to not wonder if anything more sinister is propelling these acts behind the scenes. I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, but it all seems very odd. It seems the killers motives are becoming less clear...

Example in Columbine, it seems being bullied was a big motivator for the killers to initiate their path of terror. With the Colorado movie shooting, we have no idea what the heck happened to motivate the killer. This latest shooting seems to be similar, its a big mystery.

. In China, children were stabbed on the same day. We just had a mall shooting in the country, and in my area a work place shooting w four deceased this past month ): no motivating trigger has been proposed to date. The theme of isolation and young men is what has been consistent.

Does bring me to wonder if something/someone is influencing disturbed and lonely men into going down this road. Not at all excusing the killers or swaying the responsibility of their actions from them. Just wondering again if there may be a terrible, larger, hidden agenda.

I find it very surprising that in the time following the arrest of the Colorado Joker killer, we have not heard much details after the initial media storm. Not much on what was found inside his apartment, or what new pieces (if any) are being brought to light, or the trial outlook. Seems almost as if the intent is for the people to forget.

Been reading about the media's possible role in glamorizing violence, w the consistent hype on the killers vs the victims. The issue is much complex, but I do think its sad many people don't remember the victims but the killers notoriously receive fame forever.

posted December 16, 2012 07:26 PM            

The mother was said to be a regular at a local bar, who also rarely spoke of the younger son though much praise was bestowed on the eldest. It was stated the mother didnt know what to do with her brilliant but odd son. Also that the parents divorce allegedly had a huge impact on the boy. It is sad to think if this could have been avoided. Perhaps if mental health wasn't so stigmatized, more people would face realities and seek help for their troubled children.

posted December 17, 2012 07:18 AM            

Blaming the Astrologer for helping the parent counsel the child correctly, into believing his good, than succumbing to a life of introversion and ultimately criminal implosion? Akin to blaming a doctor who insists on keeping anti-allergy shots just in case there is accidental ingestion of suspected allergic foods. As simple as that.

Denial, always the most predictable human response.

I am 100% sure, had this kids chart been known and had he been counseled in his teenaged phase into believing that he too could make a positive impact in the world, then he would never have taken this macabre step.

Nobody is speaking of "Apartheid" based on charts. Social apartheid and possible lack of parental appreciation is what triggered him to succumb to the dark aspects of his chart. Counseling based on charts however is the most sensible act for any psychologist who has studied trans-personal astrology.

IMHO, Any parent who truly loves their child and knows astrology would never hesitate to identify the weaknesses and afflictions in their child's natal charts, that they can eliminate the effects of these weaknesses.

Meme: "An idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture".
Memes can spread through Auras, through TV Transmission, through the collective unconscious when a whole nation sleeps.

You want to know what a negative Meme can do? Ask the people of Bridgend Village in South Wales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgend_suicide_incidents

Memes can be amplified through low frequency waves, accidentally or deliberately.

If entities exist that feed of the fruit of a negative Meme, then such entities can "whisper" like Jinns in the ears of those with afflicted charts to give in to the Meme.

I am not joking. This year has seen the most incidents of mass shootings. The Meme has already amplified, possibly along with the "Zombieland" Meme through TV/Games to desensitize humanity to shooting deaths. God only knows how much impact video games are having.

It is time communities accept a Taser Protocol for cops as well as for personal protection, to prevent mass shooting deaths.
The Greeks handled violent protests without
guns. Greece has had a depressing couple of years, you do not see Greek teenagers going all Postal in Malls do you? In spite of so many violent protests, there are no murderous killings by the young and hopeless in Greece.
This shooting Meme has not grown in Greece, it is growing more and more in US of A only.

This shoot to kill Meme will radically intensify when Saturn enters 13 Scorpio, the real 12th House of USA's Natal Chart. Hopefully, a sensible Taser Protocol will be adopted by then.

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posted December 17, 2012 07:33 AM            

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Which aspects are you referring to, that would show, as iQ said, [b]"the candidates who can be triggered to kill." ?

He wasn't talking about anger problems, he said "triggered to kill."

So what in the chart shows "potential murderer," pray tell.

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Frankly, yeah - there are some astrological aspects that indicate a person might be more inclined to commit murder than other placements, IF they don't learn how to handle and harness that energy.

You really don't know? This is gradeschool-level, basic astrology.

Mars-Pluto hard aspects. Mars-Uranus hard aspects would make someone fly off the handle and possibly engage in impulsive acts of violence. Especially if you see both in a chart at once. Pluto afflictions, something that would give a person a need to feel dominance or power over another.

There's other aspects that indicate possible lack of empathy and an inclination towards cruelty as well.

No one's talking about quarantining the kids with those into a separate 'anger management' class, that's stupid. The point is keeping an eye on them from afar, for teachers to watch how they interact with other people and how they handle situations where they're angry or frustrated. And the second they see the kid do something like haul off and hit another kid, take them aside and let them know that's NOT an acceptable form of behavior and giving them other methods and ways to handle and process their negative emotions.

"If you're mad, go hit the rubber clown balloon in the corner or go write and get it out of your system that way."

Simple.

On somewhat of a side note - after observing human nature for a few years, I have an astrological theory about the types of people I've noticed who do stuff like this, or handle their anger in extremely inappropriate ways, in general - it may not go as far as trying to shoot people, but they try to severely harm others in one way or another, all had common denominators.

In all the firsthand instances I've seen, they all had some kind of heavy Mars, Saturn or Pluto afflictions, working in tandem with actual childhood abuse, whether, physical, sexual or emotional.

It's like the aspects give the innate potential for that sort of thing, and then it takes some kind of childhood trauma to turn them into a monster, to light that 'fuse', so to speak.

posted December 17, 2012 08:03 AM            

The difficult aspects in Adam Lanza's Chart:
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1. Neptune and Uranus conjunct in 18 Capricorn, both planets retrograde. This is a generational aspect, and is very difficult when in the 12th house. Adam needed something like Yoga to divert/release years of pent up depression, assuming this conjunction is in the 12th House because only then Saturn in first would fit to indicate Self-Esteem issues and Introversion of Sun in 4th House Taurus.

2. Neptune and Uranus square Venus exact, Venus mostly near the 4th Cusp.
Terrible affliction to Venus, distorting his Value Systems, preventing him from feeling what he truly loves, knowing how to express love. Uranus square Venus just exploded after the years of untreated Neptune square Venus from 12th House to 3rd/4th Cusp.
Asteroid RUDRA, representing terrible destruction aspect of Shiva is exactly conjunct Venus!!!

3. NESSUS square NEMESIS exact. Abuse IS the Enemy. He may have been abused/psychologically scarred as a child. Chiron in 7th square Sun proves that he was hurt due to relationshiops [lack of?] as well. Sun is hurt, Nessus creates a stress and Venus is totally afflicted.

4. Moon likely to be in 12th House too, conjunct North Node in 12th. This is a huge affliction as per Vedic Astrology, an aspect of a tormented Soul who would have been more comfortable as Hermit in the Himalayas. There was a clear Spiritual Blessing for the Spiritual Path: Sun trine Moon/North Node trine Jupiter.

5. Sabian of his Asteroid DNA:
"School Grounds Filled With Boys And Girls In Gymnasium Suits"

Sabian of 16th Capricorn, the degree opposed by LILITH in 16 Cancer: "A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism"

Chilling....

6. Mercury in 5 Aries triggered by Transit Uranus conjunction. Head filled with explosive ideas.

7. Asteroid CHILD squared Asteroid DNA exact during the shootings. Asteroid DNA was very much conjunct North Node and Moon in 12th.
Connect the dots of the Sabian of DNA, and it gets more chilling, especially when the Sabian of his Saturn is: "A Man's Secret Motives Are Being Publicly Unmasked".
I think the "Man" here is the Institution of CIA, Psychiatrists and MK-Ultra Planners.

Other Points:
14 = 5
12 = 3
2012 = 5
Total = 13, a common trigger number for Assassins.

Adam = 10
Lanza = 17

Total = 27 = 9.

9 + 13 = 22, the same number as his birthday.

22 is routinely used in Occult circles to denote a "Master Numbet". A Dark Planner was definitely behind this attack.

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