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I'm so cappy
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posted December 21, 2012 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects and placements in the natal chart may indicate it?

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Venus square Saturn
Venus square Uranus
Venus in the 12H

Moon trine Saturn (going out on a limb with that one.)
Moon trine Uranus (another limb risker)
Moon square Uranus or Saturn?
Moon in the 12H

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posted December 21, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in 12H
Moon opposite Mercury (cannot express it w/words)

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posted December 21, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/uranus opposition or square

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posted December 21, 2012 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Venus square Saturn
Venus square Uranus
Venus in the 12H

Moon trine Saturn (going out on a limb with that one.)
Moon trine Uranus (another limb risker)
Moon square Uranus or Saturn?
Moon in the 12H



I think the moon trine Saturn indicates maturity andstability, it's only hard aspects that are more extreme.

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posted December 21, 2012 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harsh Moon-Uranus. Moon-Uranus in and of itself, I agree with the above posters, can just make one a little emotionally eccentric and aloof. Think Clementine in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. I imagine her as having Moon-Pluto and Moon-Uranus. She's never a particularly sweet person but isn't mean. She admits to Joel that she usually gets bored and feels trapped [emotional unavailability] with someone after a while.

Other possibilities:

Venus quincunx or opp. Saturn
Saturn opp. and/or square Moon - had an Aqua Sun friend like this and they were kinda emotionally unavailable, distant from me when I least expected them to be
Moon conjunct, square, opp. Chiron
Moon sq. ASC especially from the MC side
Moon in Virgo with such aspects
Moon in Capricorn with such aspects [have 2 friends who are emotionally cool and have this, also Moon semi-square Saturn]

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posted December 21, 2012 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:

Other possibilities:

Saturn opp. and/or square Moon - had an Aqua Sun friend like this and they were kinda emotionally unavailable, distant from me when I least expected them to be
Moon conjunct, square, opp. Chiron


I have a wide version of the moon opp Saturn in my chart~ seems to work exactly how you explained with your friends~ often unexpectantly causing a detatchment or conversely extreme over-empathizing with oneself/others emotionally.

Also, have a cnj Moon-Chiron ever so wide aspect...

It's not so much emotional unavailability but it internalizes the pain, introverted emotions... something like that.

~_~ I also think certain aspects with Uranus come with some form of emotional issue - whether it's an unawareness of appropriate response to a situation or others, or the inability to linger on emotions - capacity to connect, or with the moon, maybe a misunderstanding, inability to grasp the concepts of emotional depth others may feel... Uranus (even in conjunction) can make you emotionally frigid or fickle... I think. In any case, they can seem unavailable at times.

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posted December 21, 2012 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find with Moon in hard aspect to Uranus, it's more a fear of losing one's freedom and being trapped and so it's not exactly emotional unavailability as much as it's a fear of commitment. That could lead to a person cutting someone off, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are closed down emotionally. Their feeling self might be more prone to being erratic or unstable.

I have found that Moon in hard aspect to Saturn is far more descriptive of emotional distance and unavailability, at least in my personal experiences with people who have that aspect.

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posted December 21, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about hard aspects to the North Node? Like square Moon, Ceres and conjunct Saturn? Saturn square Ceres?

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posted December 21, 2012 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What aspects and placements may indicate it?

Are we talking natal, or synastry?

Natally - air signs I know are considered kinda cold to people with most of their placements in the other elements.

I've noticed personally that Saturn aspecting the inner planets in a natal can make people pretty cold, too. My younger sister has Saturn conjunct Venus and I remember initially trying, in an email, to explain to her why she should care what happens to another sibling of ours; then when I remembered that she had the conjunction I just gave up because I realized she probably wasn't capable of getting what I was trying to say, anyway.

Uranus in aspect to the inners can cause the same type of thing.

Synastry-wise, it's probably the same planets at work. I had Venus opposition Saturn with a guy before and he behaved in an almost sociopathic way towards me in terms of how he just didn't seem to care at all whatsoever about what he said or did to me and how it might make me feel.

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posted December 21, 2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Moon is the heart of the natal chart. When a person needs security, they turn inward to its familiar, intimate energy. It represents childhood and mother. Its element is water. Any feelings (or lack thereof) in love relationships will be decided by the condition of the natal Moon.

Uranus in the natal chart is responsible for upheaval. Its energy comes from a distant place, blasting away the things that need to be changed. It represents anything new, innovative or shocking. Its element is air. It is the universal alarm clock.

Anytime the Moon makes an aspect to Uranus in the natal chart, the emotional and the detached are combined. A good illustration of this is the moment of birth: the infant is yanked from its safe, watery environment and feels the awakening slap of cold air. What does this mean for the Moon-Uranus person in a relationship?

It helps to understand where the Moon-Uranus person is coming from. The Moon in any hard aspect (conjunction, opposition, square) to Uranus can indicate a traumatic event in childhood where security was ripped away. A quick word about aspects: I am focusing on hard aspects because they indicate trauma more than the harmonious trines and sextiles. Although all Moon-Uranus aspects will have a similar theme, the way the energies interact will vary according to the aspect. In a square, the two planets are butting heads. The opposition has the two planets at opposite ends of a table shouting at each other. The conjunction is the two in an uneasy dance where both partners try to lead.

The Moon-Uranus child’s response to trauma was deciding not to trust in emotional safety ever again. As an adult, this memory is carried into relationships. The Moon-Uranus person feels and acts like a detached outsider, reluctant to form any long-term bonds. They can develop an uncompromising attitude in relationships as a way of protecting themselves, deciding on the level of freedom and commitment without discussing things with their partner.

Their approach to committed relationships varies from restlessness to outright panic. What the Moon-Uranus person fears is being trapped and hurt. Someone with a Moon-Uranus square may be continually attracted to unreliable types. The energy of the square causes open tension which drives them forward to do something now. They can throw themselves into destructive relationships which they know, on some level, will not last. Or they may abruptly end a relationship if their partner (usually without knowing) restricts their freedom in some way. Someone with a Moon-Uranus opposition may dither for years over committing to anyone. The opposition causes a hard-to-define underlying tension. With a conjunction there may be less tension, but the energy of Uranus will still be prominent. They will stubbornly insist that the relationship operate according to their idea of commitment, which will not be typical. It may range from having an open relationship to simply needing more alone time than most people.

Moon-Uranus is not an emotionally stable combination. By itself, the energy of the Moon is constantly changing (reflecting its phases in the sky). Uranus has an erratic energy that can flare up and die quickly. Moon-Uranus people are drawn to whatever is new (Uranus is responsible for love or lust at first sight). But new fades quickly, and as a relationship settles into routine, the Moon-Uranus person finds their interest waning and finally disappearing. Sensations feel dulled, as if they were wrapped in a thin sheet of plastic.

Being involved with a Moon-Uranus person can be bewildering. The relationship starts with a glorious rush. The partner is flattered and overwhelmed by the attentions of this fascinating outsider. Over time, the partner notices how the Moon-Uranus person flatly refuses to do certain things (like making plans more then a few days in advance). The partner wonders how someone so apparently free-spirited can be so rigid at the same time. During conversations, the Moon-Uranus person will suddenly switch off: they’ll continue to talk, but emotionally they’ve left the room. Attempts to build intimacy cause them to distance themselves further.

Many Moon-Uranus types may be perfectly aware of the roots of their behaviour. Uranian detachment brings insight, so they are able to stand back and observe themselves. They may even offer helpful explanations to their partners. While this sounds healthy, it’s actually another way for the Moon-Uranus person to escape. For example, a Moon-Uranus person discovers that their partner is cheating. They will feel hurt, but the instant the hurt becomes apparent, they jump back to a safe distance. Whatever feelings they had for their partner have been replaced with numbness. Their reaction, depending on the rest of their chart, may range from, “No worries, it happens,” to, “Right. I’m leaving now”. Either way, it’s unlikely that they will be intimate with their partner again. The partner, expecting a display of hurt and/or anger, is confused. The Moon-Uranus person may calmly explain that they feel numb, and this reminds them of the time when they were six and their Dad walked out. Rather than feeling what’s happening, they describe the absence of feeling.

But before we write off Moon-Uranus folk as being condemned to a life of watching from the sidelines, remember that everything in astrology has two sides. The insight these people have into their emotions is a powerful tool. They’ve already covered the territory that others spend years in therapy trying to work through. They are not possessive, and they give their partners just as much freedom as they ask for themselves. They don’t hold grudges: these are the people who remain friends with their exes. And let’s not forget the power of Uranus as the great awakener. If you’re involved with a Moon-Uranus person, you’re involved with an innovator and rule-breaker. Get ready to toss any stale ideas about relationships out the window.

The key for the Moon-Uranus person is compromise and patience. With compromise, they will find that the freedom they have been guarding so closely is actually more available to them. If they suggest rather than insist, they will find that their partner is usually open to giving them the space they need. With the right partner, they will also find that the switching off of emotions is not a permanent condition. If they wait out the numbness, it often fades and the feelings they had for their partner are still there.

Inside all Moon-Uranus people is a conflict between the need to belong and the desire to break free. Not belonging makes them uneasy, but being part of something makes them uncomfortable. Are they capable of having a long-term, committed relationship? Yes – if they want one. It is entirely possible for them to be part of a relationship where they can be free to feel safe.

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I have moon square uranus and neptune. I actually get crushes on anyone I find attractive. I'll act like I'm totally into them, (love at first sight feeling)
After a week or two I'll usually get over it.

I was not aware of this when I was younger and left a lot of people confused.
I'm pretty they had an awesome week thou
I was like taylor swift of my high school.

I'm not as bad as I was before, now that I'm aware of it.

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posted December 22, 2012 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Many Moon-Uranus types may be perfectly aware of the roots of their behaviour. Uranian detachment brings insight, so they are able to stand back and observe themselves. They may even offer helpful explanations to their partners. While this sounds healthy, it’s actually another way for the Moon-Uranus person to escape. For example, a Moon-Uranus person discovers that their partner is cheating. They will feel hurt, but the instant the hurt becomes apparent, they jump back to a safe distance. Whatever feelings they had for their partner have been replaced with numbness. Their reaction, depending on the rest of their chart, may range from, “No worries, it happens,” to, “Right. I’m leaving now”. Either way, it’s unlikely that they will be intimate with their partner again. The partner, expecting a display of hurt and/or anger, is confused. The Moon-Uranus person may calmly explain that they feel numb, and this reminds them of the time when they were six and their Dad walked out. Rather than feeling what’s happening, they describe the absence of feeling.

wow, can really relate to a lot of that article. thx. t uranus conj moon. always makes me think of gfk on poisonous darts, before he started dumbing down.
'somewhere out this world, stranded on uranus!'

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posted December 22, 2012 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
Are we talking natal, or synastry?

I've noticed personally that Saturn aspecting the inner planets in a natal can make people pretty cold, too. My younger sister has Saturn conjunct Venus and I remember initially trying, in an email, to explain to her why she should care what happens to another sibling of ours; then when I remembered that she had the conjunction I just gave up because I realized she probably wasn't capable of getting what I was trying to say, anyway.

Uranus in aspect to the inners can cause the same type of thing.


That's not the case for me. I have saturn conjunct venus natally. I care deeply for my sister, it's just that I won't be overly showy with my emotions.she has saturn sextile venus in her natal, I know she cares about me too. We just have subtle ways of showing each other that we care.

I also have uranus square sun,saturn,ascendant.Uranus opposition chiron,uranus trine moon.

Am I emotionally unavailable? No

If a guy tries to control me, I back off.I can't and won't let anybody control me.That's it.My freedom. Freedom to stay whoever you are in a relationship is VERY important to me.I always say that a relationship should help you grow, and flourish emotionally not oppress. They just have to love me for who I am and don't try to change me.

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
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I have moon square uranus and neptune. I actually get crushes on anyone I find attractive. I'll act like I'm totally into them, (love at first sight feeling)
After a week or two I'll usually get over it.

I was not aware of this when I was younger and left a lot of people confused.
I'm pretty they had an awesome week thou
I was like taylor swift of my high school.

I'm not as bad as I was before, now that I'm aware of it.


Dying over here! This is awesome.

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I relate to StacyLewis' input, and yours too, Jessica.

I have Moon trine Saturn and trine Uranus. I know these are soft aspects and positive however I still have examples of detached behavior... like when I was 14 and went to the Philippines for 6 weeks, I never really got homesick or missed my parents. In fact, I was irritated I had to e-mail them. I don't really "miss" people (unless it's a romantic prospect, partner, relationship... but that's another hiccup to be analyzed another day.). It's not that I don't care about their well-being, or anything. Life goes on... over these past few years I've really tried hard to understand why my Scorpio friend (who has a Capricorn moon, by the way) cares so much or how she can care so much about people who don't give to her as much as she gives to them. She gets so upset and emotional sometimes and I don't understand it. BUT it is a good example of attachment vs. detachment. She is a Scorpio ASC, Sun, Mercury, and Venus. I'm a Gem ASC, Mars, and Jupiter. Aries Sun, Mercury, and Venus, with a heavily aspected Taurus moon opposing Pluto in Scorpio. We're just opposites that way.

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posted December 22, 2012 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heyyyyy,me too Hanna,I don't normally miss people!! I used to feel bad about that, when friends ask me ''will you miss me?'' Being a cap rising, the truth bubbles out of my mouth automatically and sometimes this hurt others.

I've read somewhere Uranus likes to shock, will do unconventional things just to shock people. I can relate to that. A LOT

I also don't like when a guy tries to manipulate me emotionally, and I'm pretty quick at picking out the vibes. But I also have venus sextile pluto, so I'm kinda manipulative and obsessive myself lol...hmmm now you understand why my love life was more on a roller-coaster....

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posted December 22, 2012 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I relate to StacyLewis' input, and yours too, Jessica.

I have Moon trine Saturn and trine Uranus. I know these are soft aspects and positive however I still have examples of detached behavior... like when I was 14 and went to the Philippines for 6 weeks, I never really got homesick or missed my parents. In fact, I was irritated I had to e-mail them.


lol yes that was me when i went too. don't remember writing any letters home, must have spoken on the phone once or twice but don't remember being homesick one bit!

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posted December 22, 2012 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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" Another love I would abuse, no circumstances could excuse ... all alone in space and time, there's nothing left but what here is mine; something borrowed, something blue."


Venus square saturn
Venus square ASC
Venus square Jupiter
Venus trine Uranus

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posted December 22, 2012 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Cap moon that sits opposite venus, mercury, ceres, saturn and sun. I probably feel more than anyone I have ever met but I can't verbally express it. It comes out like mumbo-jumbo. Literally! If you hand me a pen and piece of paper it's a totally different deal. I guess this might make me come across as emotionally unavailable.

The first guy that ever tried to kiss me said that I "must be frigid" because I showed absolutely NO emotions although I felt them. think I was probably not older than 10 or so.

Even now that I am older saying "I love you" makes me cringe. I much rather write it down.

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posted December 22, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The first guy that ever tried to kiss me said that I "must be frigid" because I showed absolutely NO emotions although I felt them.
I am a Cancer Moon and that's exactly the way I respond too

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posted February 23, 2016 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion
Moon in Gemini
Moon in Libra
Moon in Aquarius
Moon-Mercury aspects
Moon-Pallas aspects
Moon-Uranus aspects

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...Moon in Libra? Nah.

Then again mine is connjunct Pluto.so that might change things alot

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posted February 23, 2016 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, the moon in Libra I know isn't emotionally distant or unavailable. 'Course, she's a Cancer sun, and she has a Libra moon-Mars sextile Sag Pluto, which probably makes her more so (though she has plenty of earth and air as well).

However, those placements are the ones that can't be easily manipulated emotionally (and that fits the Libra moon I know, she won't be manipulated which has angered a few who don't know how to relate to others in any other way), in which case they would come off as emotionally unavailable to those who try to control through guilt and such (such as implying or saying outright something like "if you loved me then you'd...").

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posted February 23, 2016 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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However, those placements are the ones that can't be easily manipulated emotionally (and that fits the Libra moon I know, she won't be manipulated which has angered a few who don't know how to relate to others in any other way), in which case they would come off as emotionally unavailable to those who try to control through guilt and such (such as implying or saying outright something like "if you loved me then you'd...").

Ah see I was about to comment like "hm, well, others *have* told me I can be cold.." as a Moon in Aqua but the exact circumstances you described are the only ones when I ice people out. It's a very vocal minority. I'm a pretty warm person truthfully and while I don't see all my good friends every week, they know my love/loyalty isn't going anywhere. I do consider myself a healthy Aqua Moon, though. "Emotional Intelligence" and all that. There are some nightmares out there (and I'm friends with them)! Awesome people, just wouldn't enter a relationship with them. Granted they're guys and I'm a girl and I'm sure the way we're socialized by gender plays a huge role in our romantic approach.

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