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vickymadness
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posted December 30, 2012 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Only conjunctions/oppositions/squares shall be considered?

2. For example, a woman's SUN (opposes) a man's SUN/MARS midpoint. This midpoint is the embodiment of his own masculinity/ego/aggression. Now my take on this is, she as a woman will find it difficult to identify with his masculinity and view him as the ideal man ? what would be his point of view ?

3. A woman's VENUS/MOON midpoint is the essence of her feminine/nurturing self ... if a man came along with his own sun (opposing) this midpoint, will have the same effect as in case 2 ?

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posted December 30, 2012 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, one of my alltime favorite topics.


"1. Only conjunctions/oppositions/squares shall be considered?"
Some also use semisquare and sesisqure, but all (except Magi astrology) seem to agree that only the dynamic aspects are considered.

Personally I check conjunctions/oppositions/squares. Yes.
And orb has to be tight, preferably 1 degree orb. For conjunctions I might go up to 2 degrees though.

"2. For example, a woman's SUN (opposes) a man's SUN/MARS midpoint. This midpoint is the embodiment of his own masculinity/ego/aggression. Now my take on this is, she as a woman will find it difficult to identify with his masculinity and view him as the ideal man ? what would be his point of view ?"

In interaction with her (her Sun) he might feel very masculine (his Sun/Mars-mp); she triggers quite a bit of masculine qualities in him, as well as vigor, enthusiasm and energy.

"3. A woman's VENUS/MOON midpoint is the essence of her feminine/nurturing self ... if a man came along with his own sun (opposing) this midpoint, will have the same effect as in case 2 ?"
Yes, in interaction with him she will feel very feminine. Probably a lot of tenderness, affection and caring is stimulated in her.


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posted December 31, 2012 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

Oh, one of my alltime favorite topics.

"2. For example, a woman's SUN (opposes) a man's SUN/MARS midpoint. This midpoint is the embodiment of his own masculinity/ego/aggression. Now my take on this is, she as a woman will find it difficult to identify with his masculinity and view him as the ideal man ? what would be his point of view ?"

In interaction with her (her Sun) he might feel very masculine (his Sun/Mars-mp); she triggers quite a bit of masculine qualities in him, as well as vigor, enthusiasm and energy.


Since her sun is opposing the midpoint, wouldn't it absorb the blend of the midpoint energy ? Would she feel more energetic/aggressive/confident ? Or would his projected machismo increase her femininity ?


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"3. A woman's VENUS/MOON midpoint is the essence of her feminine/nurturing self ... if a man came along with his own sun (opposing) this midpoint, will have the same effect as in case 2 ?"
Yes, in interaction with him she will feel very feminine. Probably a lot of tenderness, affection and caring is stimulated in her.

Same as the above, what would be his instinctual reaction to her midpoint activation ?

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posted December 31, 2012 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In midpoint astrology there is no difference being made between the aspects, as long as they are dynamic one.
The only difference is seen in the degree of intensity. An conjunction would be more intense than a semisquare for example.

Also remember that oppositions to midpoints really are also conjunctions.
Confused?

Well, since the zodiac is a circle there are always two midpoints between two planets. Conventionally the near midpoint is being considered, but still the point opposite is still a (far) midpoint between the two planets.

The person with the midpointing planets is the (most) affected; hene midpoint activation can sometimes point to unrequited feelings; if for example person`s A has their Venus-midpoints activated and person B has no relevant midpoints triggered.

However, I think that is mostly true if the activating planet is Sun or ASC, as these are points that "simply are".
If however someone`s Venus is conjunct another`s midpoints, they might still feel their Venus a little bit; usually as a response to the effect they have on the other person.
Of course this is also true, if Sun is the activator of the midpoint.

If my Sun conjuncts your Sun/Venus-mp I might inspire feelings of admiration, affection and love in you. This might lead you to be extraattentive to me, and me, being Sun, might really like that, and therefore reciprocrate the sympathy, though it won`t be nearly as strong.


Robert Hand suggests in his book about aspects to consider the direct midpoints (conjunction and opposition) in every kind of analysis (orb: 1°30), saying they are as strong as major aspects.

With a bit less strength I personally also consider the square*; if it is under 1 degree, it seems to be quite strong as well. At least in my natal chart it is.

I have:

Moon square Mercury/Pluto 0°02
Venus square mercury/Saturn 0°07

Moon square Sun/Pluto 0°24
Venus square Sun/Saturn 0°19

It definitely describe the serious streak that is part of my personality and also the "obsessive thinking", which isn`t really part of my Mercury in Sagittarius on itself. lol


If you are interested, I once had a thread on midpoint synastry
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204020.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204037.html


EDIT:
The square actually is the midpoint of a midpoint.

Let`s say Venus is on 10 Aquarius and Mars is on 10 Gemini.

Then the Venus/Mars-mp would be on 10 Aries.
But that is actually only one end of the midpoint axis, the near midpoint.
The far midpoint between 10 Aquarius and 10 Gemini would be on 10 LIbra, exactly opposite the nar midpoint on 10 Aries.

So the Venus-Mars-mp-axis runs from 10 Aries to 10 Libra.
Now if a planet was square this axis, it would be on 10 Capricorn or 10 Cancer.
But if you think of it 10 Cancer or 10 Capricorn actually is the midpoint of the axis from 10 Aries to 10 Libra (like a cross).
Since the axis from 10 Aries to 10 Libra is already a midpoint axis, the square to this, would really be the midpoint of the midpointaxis relating to 10 Gemini and 10 Aquarius.

I guess this is the reason why squares work with midpoints as well. It is all in the geometry. But of course it gets watered down in its intensity.

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posted December 31, 2012 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used my chart as example.

I have Neptune on 9 Sag and Pluto on 9 Libra.

So my near Neptune/Pluto midpoint falls onto 9 Scorpio, and the far midpoint falls onto 9 Taurus.

The red lines now connect 9 Aquarius-Leo, which is square both the near and far midpoint of Neptune/Pluto, and of course intersects the midpointaxis of Taurus-Scorpio in the middle, being square to each point, so 9 Aquarius and 9 Leo are really the midpoint of two points being on 9 Scorpio and 9 Taurus.


it means that everytime someone has a (personal) planet on 9 degree of the fixed signs, my Neptune/Pluto-mp is activated, and additionally the Pluto/NN-mp, as my Neptune is closely conjunct NN.

Interaction with such a person will instigate otherworldly spiritual occurences, sometimes weird and strange, almost mystical.


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posted December 31, 2012 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri, I like your explanations, a lot.

Speaking of Pluto/Neptune midpoint, I have my own mars opposite that midpoint in my chart and hence activating this midpoint nearly in the majority of people I deal with daily ( my own generation ) ... interesting

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posted December 31, 2012 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is really interesting. My ASC conjunct's someones Sun/Uranus midpoint less than 1 orb, and they do seem to act more confident and personified around me.

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posted December 31, 2012 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Neptune and Pluto are generational, but since the orb is only one degree, or maybe one degree thirty minutes, it will not be that many people you activate that for, as you may think.

However, for you that midpoint is ALWAYS active, seeing that Mars is sitting on its far end.

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posted December 31, 2012 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today i found out that my Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct my Moon <1 degree, so that might explain why when someone touches my Moon, i feel it so strongly.

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posted December 31, 2012 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does it also feel sexual or erotic (as well as emotional of course)?

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posted December 31, 2012 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Does it also feel sexual or erotic (as well as emotional of course)?

Yes, it does, given that Eros is also conjunct my Moon.

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posted January 01, 2013 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes sense.

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