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Kerosene
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posted January 17, 2013 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all I'm a Gemini, and when I mean gemini have 85 percent of my chart is in Gemini. I think the lack of fixed signs is causing this.

I don't if know if this makes me "fake", I don't mean to this.
My personality changes around different types of people, which usually allows me have a wide variety of acquaintances.. I behave more street in the inner city, or flamboyant if I'm around that crowd. I think its a defense mechanism, or my intuitions "sorting hat", If a genuinely start to care for someone I'll slowly let them in..

A good friend noticed that and gave me soo much crap for it. Instead of being honest or "real". I behave like myself around people I can trust. Although you can say this would not allow me to have any meaningful friendships, I'm just really selective about who I call a friend. A few true friends is good enough for me, I just like to have fun and meet/ experience life with all types of people. Can anyone else relate to this, am I really a fake person?

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posted January 17, 2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also a Gemini.

You can't be a fake "person" cause that's what it means to be a person in the first place - this term (person), originary - relates to the mask you wear in public... Very few people are "themselves" in public (true self - being expressive) like those with Sun in Ascendant...

How should i put it... picture this - as a person in public, you're like a box with small holes of all size through which your inner Sun shines... and in public - people can see just portions of your true self (the light that gets out)... wile those which have Sun in Ascendant - if it's positively aspected - they were it on their face, their inner Sun can be one with the person (public mask/personality).


With private persons, with special persons that you let inside your box - you can be your true self.

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...back to your story, first i'd like to ask something - is your Sun in House 11?

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Aqua86
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posted January 17, 2013 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aqua86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all,we don't care your gemini or a mouse that can speak human language.

Ask a Baker to make bread will give u soft bread, Ask a SMith to bake a bread and it end up as hard as the iron he forge.

Ask a Baker to forge a sword and it might end up brittle and soft as the bread he bakes..

But he who can do both is he not called multi-skilled. Baker/smith or Faker?


Being fake is when u compromise your own ideal/moral belief system to be liked by others who.

Just don't go over the top with it...do u understand what i say? U don't have to please every single new person u come across...and if everytime ur friend is there and u are unlucky u been putting in 'those situation' that is just her/his perpective.

Wich is not a fact..u should know yourself best ..not your friend..not me, U!

u live since the day u born with yourself...and yet u are not sure who u are or what u stand for?

So point is, u meet new people, and u treat them friendly and all=good,u meet new people and treat your friend (who u know longer then them) different(look down or whatever) at that time=bad

=FAKE

All this little problems so easy to solve

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posted January 17, 2013 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm the same! I'm different around different people. Oh well! I don't consider it fake unless you mean to do it, aka trying to be something you're not.

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Kerosene
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posted January 17, 2013 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
I'm also a Gemini.

You can't be a fake "person" cause that's what it means to be a person in the first place - this term (person), originary - relates to the mask you wear in public... Very few people are "themselves" in public (true self - being expressive) like those with Sun in Ascendant...

How should i put it... picture this - as a person in public, you're like a box with small holes of all size through which your inner Sun shines... and in public - people can see just portions of your true self (the light that gets out)... wile those which have Sun in Ascendant - if it's positively aspected - they were it on their face, their inner Sun can be one with the person (public mask/personality).


With private persons, with special persons that you let inside your box - you can be your true self.

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...back to your story, first i'd like to ask something - is your Sun in House 11?


I think you're completely right, It can't be worse than being reserved.
Sun conjunct my asc :P, however mars is occupied in the 11th.
What if.... I don't have a personality...... lol jk

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posted January 17, 2013 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bridgetostars23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
First of all I'm a Gemini, and when I mean gemini have 85 percent of my chart is in Gemini. I think the lack of fixed signs is causing this.

I don't if know if this makes me "fake", I don't mean to this.
My personality changes around different types of people, which usually allows me have a wide variety of acquaintances.. I behave more street in the inner city, or flamboyant if I'm around that crowd. I think its a defense mechanism, or my intuitions "sorting hat", If a genuinely start to care for someone I'll slowly let them in..

A good friend noticed that and gave me soo much crap for it. Instead of being honest or "real". I behave like myself around people I can trust. Although you can say this would not allow me to have any meaningful friendships, I'm just really selective about who I call a friend. A few true friends is good enough for me, I just like to have fun and meet/ experience life with all types of people. Can anyone else relate to this, am I really a fake person?


Hey Kerosene. I love your post! I have been really thinking about this stuff a lot. I can relate to being obsessed with being real. The only difference is that I will typically isolate instead of showing my face around people if I "think" I'm being fake. Or I'll do something that let's people know which causes a disconnect between myself and them. Or I'll put on an act that is intentionally fake (as a sort of social satire that often people think is real) and be angry at myself the whole time So you can see how I look at a Gemini and think "man, I ENVY you". Sometimes I'll just watch one and I will switch from the feeling of being inspired, envious, jealous, intrigued,etc. It's cool to see that you are aware of it. You can definitely use these "powers" however you want. Geminis seem to be able to COMMUNICATE back to mewhat I'm feeling. (And everyone else.) So that's an awesome skill.

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Kerosene
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posted January 17, 2013 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I'm the same! I'm different around different people. Oh well! I don't consider it fake unless you mean to do it, aka trying to be something you're not.

heh the other day I did that to a bunch of mega-hipsters because I was so bored waiting for class. I learned about some really obscure bands that ironically suck and about goth/heavy metal opera.... I'm so glad dressed up in oldish looking clothes because I about to paint, maybe it was fashionably ironic for them?

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ail221
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posted January 17, 2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its really a natural for people to only want to show a particular side of themselves when around certain people. But it also seems to be a mutable issue. I have felt this way about one or two friends in the past, specifically because I knew so much about them and could tell when they weren't being their genuine self or straight up lying especially if I am in the same situation and they expect me to go along with their illusions. Not to say every single person deserves to see that more private version of yourself.

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Kerosene
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posted January 17, 2013 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi bridge, don't do that!!! I use to do that when I was young. If you're just more open then people will respond more positively. Remember the other person is probably just as scared too.

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posted January 17, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debby4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Its really a natural for people to only want to show a particular side of themselves when around certain people. But it also seems to be a mutable issue. I have felt this way about one or two friends in the past, specifically because I knew so much about them and could tell when they weren't being their genuine self or straight up lying especially if I am in the same situation and they expect me to go along with their illusions. Not to say every single person deserves to see that more private version of yourself.

Agreed.

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StacyLewis
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posted January 17, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
First of all I'm a Gemini, and when I mean gemini have 85 percent of my chart is in Gemini. I think the lack of fixed signs is causing this.

I don't if know if this makes me "fake", I don't mean to this.
My personality changes around different types of people, which usually allows me have a wide variety of acquaintances.. I behave more street in the inner city, or flamboyant if I'm around that crowd. I think its a defense mechanism, or my intuitions "sorting hat", If a genuinely start to care for someone I'll slowly let them in..

A good friend noticed that and gave me soo much crap for it. Instead of being honest or "real". I behave like myself around people I can trust. Although you can say this would not allow me to have any meaningful friendships, I'm just really selective about who I call a friend. A few true friends is good enough for me, I just like to have fun and meet/ experience life with all types of people. Can anyone else relate to this, am I really a fake person?



Tell your friends they're morons.

Because EVERYbody has multiple facets to them, and a particular mask they wear when they first meet people, or interact with strangers. That's not fake; it's a natural thing everyone does, and it's supposed to happen because like others pointed out, it's a protection mechanism.

Just like animals have claws or huge fangs or a shell, or antlers/horns.

And if they say they don't do it also, they're either intentionally lying or incredibly lacking in self-awareness.

It has nothing to do with any sign in particular because everybody does it. We're hardwired that way.

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posted January 17, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have A LOT of mutable planets in my chart and I would say that I behave similarly in that I have MANY different types of friends and so I simply selectively show them what I want to show them about myself. I don't consider it being dishonest because maybe they simply never asked me what my true thoughts/beliefs were on something. I DO think that some mutable signs are prone to actual flat out lying, which I don't see as beneficial at all and I refuse to do that. I will not lie when I'm asked point blank about something, I just don't choose to disclose all of the unique facets of myself to all people because that will open me up to criticism from certain groups of people that I don't feel the need to face. Not everyone lives the same lifestyle, but unfortunately, until everyone can accept that about everyone else, there are simply some things I'm not going to disclose about myself to certain people. I don't think this is being fake at all. Why go out of your way to take the heat about something that someone ELSE considers a bad/negative thing when you see it as something totally different?

Keep being yourself, even if that means not showing all of your unique facets to all the people that you meet. It has nothing to do with 'being real' and everything to do with the concept of: "not everyone is going to agree with you."

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posted January 17, 2013 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bridgetostars23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Hi bridge, don't do that!!! I use to do that when I was young. If you're just more open then people will respond more positively. Remember the other person is probably just as scared too.

That's true. I'm "working" on it. Sometimes I can think I'm either much better or much worse than other people because I feel "soooo burdened by being so self aware" but yeah, so do most people. Actually, really good to hear a Gemini feels that.

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posted January 17, 2013 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It’s just a defense mechanism,nothing to worry about.Dont care about what others think about it,it’s what you think about it that counts the most.

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posted January 18, 2013 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Its really a natural for people to only want to show a particular side of themselves when around certain people. But it also seems to be a mutable issue. I have felt this way about one or two friends in the past, specifically because I knew so much about them and could tell when they weren't being their genuine self or straight up lying especially if I am in the same situation and they expect me to go along with their illusions. Not to say every single person deserves to see that more private version of yourself.

Well said.

Also, Gemini has a dual personality to begin with (twins.) So what if other people can't cope with Gemini seeing both sides, or all sides, of an issue? That's how they are.

I have Gemini Mars in the 11H so I can relate to a lot of this. I'm not fake, just multifaceted and a little more complex than I can articulate.

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posted January 18, 2013 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, astro-talk!

I find mutable signs the most have "different sides" to them because of how changeable they are. This is not bad and yes, everyone is like that, but I tend to notice that mutable signs change more depending who they are with. I have a Sagittarius friend who I can hardly even recognise when she's with her 'other' friends.

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posted January 18, 2013 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I would not say it is a negative trait, quite the opposite, being charming and diplomatic is a rarity today.

People are soo willing to just blurt out whatever, they hate this, they hate that, this is awful.

Etc

That being demure is a good trait b/c of all things, people want to be listened to and commiserated with on whatever it is that is troubling them.

Downside is, once one is known for this, if you actually do state your own views people are shocked a bit.

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posted January 18, 2013 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Gemini rising conjunct Mars in Gemini - I feel your "pain" Kerosene

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posted January 18, 2013 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
First of all I'm a Gemini, and when I mean gemini have 85 percent of my chart is in Gemini. I think the lack of fixed signs is causing this.

I don't if know if this makes me "fake", I don't mean to this.
My personality changes around different types of people, which usually allows me have a wide variety of acquaintances.. I behave more street in the inner city, or flamboyant if I'm around that crowd. I think its a defense mechanism, or my intuitions "sorting hat", If a genuinely start to care for someone I'll slowly let them in..

A good friend noticed that and gave me soo much crap for it. Instead of being honest or "real". I behave like myself around people I can trust. Although you can say this would not allow me to have any meaningful friendships, I'm just really selective about who I call a friend. A few true friends is good enough for me, I just like to have fun and meet/ experience life with all types of people. Can anyone else relate to this, am I really a fake person?



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Kerosene
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posted January 19, 2013 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Where is your Moon, Mr Eris



GEMINI
GEMINI
GEMINI
GEMINI
EVERYTHINGS IN GEMINI!

Although I really don't care anymore, my friend is just jelly because she's boring and unpopular.
I am superficial in a lot of ways, so I guess I can be pretty fake... Everyone has their vices. :P

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posted January 19, 2013 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be a mercury thing as well. I am a Virgo and I catch myself picking up mannerisms and accents and/or phrases from other people and adopting them as my own. I got made fun of often for this and it is slightly embarrassing but oh we'll... I just embrace my weirdness.

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posted January 19, 2013 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this is something "specific" to your personality - then - it's a part of you - a part that defines you... you're not "fake"... you're just "different". Certain fixed signs can't cope with chameleon personalities... "they can't be like you" - so, they don't understand you... being mutable/adaptable to other people's behavior it's something they see as clowning - cause they have to force themselves to behave in a certain way and even then - they look/feel fake... which is why they can't accept that "others can be like that naturally" - cause in their eyes "that's not possible".

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posted January 19, 2013 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chocogold     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it is just me, but you sound like someone who has an easiness with getting along with everybody. You are like Switzerland.
So, what is the problem?
I am not seeing it.

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posted January 19, 2013 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroNewb69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
First of all I'm a Gemini, and when I mean gemini have 85 percent of my chart is in Gemini. I think the lack of fixed signs is causing this.

I don't if know if this makes me "fake", I don't mean to this.
My personality changes around different types of people, which usually allows me have a wide variety of acquaintances.. I behave more street in the inner city, or flamboyant if I'm around that crowd. I think its a defense mechanism, or my intuitions "sorting hat", If a genuinely start to care for someone I'll slowly let them in..

A good friend noticed that and gave me soo much crap for it. Instead of being honest or "real". I behave like myself around people I can trust. Although you can say this would not allow me to have any meaningful friendships, I'm just really selective about who I call a friend. A few true friends is good enough for me, I just like to have fun and meet/ experience life with all types of people. Can anyone else relate to this, am I really a fake person?


NO, this is a turn-on. Not like just a light switch turn-on, but more of a Master-Electrical-Breaker-switch turn-on.

*laughs until the laugh becomes silent*
*catches breathe*
*makes mental note of this moment to remember in future*

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posted January 19, 2013 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chocogold     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I do not have many friends, I am very picky when it comes to friendships. However, I adore talking and getting to know people.
For example, if I go to a restaurant with friends, acquaintances, etc. I am usually the one who ends up meeting folks outside of the group, striking a conversation with strangers, etc.

This happened at a restaurant and after we left, someone of the group told me she didn't like this very much. She implied something along the lines of how 'I was meant to be with them, the group.' O_O
I think she felt as if I had left the group behind.
As she said, "I talk to everybody."

Figures, she has a lot of fixed planets.
What are your friend's placements? Sun, moon, venus, mars, asc?

Are you also the type who will follow the beat of her own drum?
For example, I often find myself annoying some folks because I do not stick to the group. I am very curious about everything. If I am going to visit a city, I want to see what I can and whatever I find interesting. So, I do tend to go on a detour when we go out. As to my friends, they are like, following a plan. Me, if I see something, I just go. Which, is one of the reasons I rather go out on my own for certain types of activities.

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