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Faith
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posted May 17, 2016 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck, VirgoPill.

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posted May 17, 2016 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone dear to me I know has been exposed to alcohol and drugs at a very early age. Very disturbing. Has done a variety of drugs but lately has gone to rehab (I am not sure if it worked or not because he didn't answer my message back in March, typical Sag)

He is Sun/Uranus conjunct in Sag 1st house. And first house Neptune. 12th house Saturn/venus in Sag and mercury Scorp in 12th. Yes, 12th house very much occupied.
Also a water Moon (Scorp). Neptune makes a sextile to Pluto.

Jupiter in 2nd in Aquarius sextile Sun/Uranus. Hmmm ....

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posted May 17, 2016 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoPILL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Faith!

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posted May 17, 2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on this thread and a few personal experiences, I'd say a mixture of Neptune and Jupiter could be the culprit. Neptune likes to escape, and Jupiter likes to indulge and experiment.

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posted May 18, 2016 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I guess it's just that the few times I smoked alone, The Universe started revealing its secrets to me and that was very fun. But I'm not sure if that would happen again.

Oh that would definitely still happen again Faith

in all seriousness though, I've struggled with things but am not sure it's all so black and white? Imo if anything the clinical label of addiction as a "disease" has done more harm than good..

It's only a disease if you're addicted to alcohol or something illegal though.. otherwise those xanax and adderall and prozac we all take or give our children are perfectly normal as long as you have a prescription right?


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posted May 18, 2016 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoPILL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by firemoon:
It's only a disease if you're addicted to alcohol or something illegal though.. otherwise those xanax and adderall and prozac we all take or give our children are perfectly normal as long as you have a prescription right?

just bc benzos etc. are not illegal they're still dangerous and addictive (to me it took only few times to get hooked and pop it like tic tac after). mix it with something light like alcohol and it can be deadly as hc drugs, it's like russian roulette. on the top of it all how doctors generously give these out - at least mine - to unstable, irresponsible patiens unsupervised is quite wow...

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posted May 18, 2016 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
just bc benzos etc. are not illegal they're still dangerous and addictive (to me it took only few times to get hooked and pop it like tic tac after). mix it with something light like alcohol and it can be deadly as hc drugs, it's like russian roulette. on the top of it all how doctors generously give these out - at least mine - to unstable, irresponsible patiens unsupervised is quite wow...

That's exactly what I'm saying bro... You're a Virgo?? Rally in the rationalism and realize you weren't born "sick" with a disease... These are behaviors that you've learned and can unlearn..

The society we live in that encourages addiction at every turn (whether it's pills, food, sex, etc.. don't even get me started) is sick.. But honestly with some introspection and hard work you can overcome whatever you're going through ya know?

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I have neptune quincunx both my asc & (widely) my venus. Also, i have mars opp neptune and merc trine neptune.

I swear to god, if i didn't know that drugs would destroy my Body, Soul and Spirit, i would take them 24 hours a day!

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posted May 18, 2016 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoPILL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i know, and i agree with you 100%.

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posted May 18, 2016 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no single planet or factor representing the blanket all-inclusive concept of "drugs." That is a culturally contrived concept. Drugs are not the only type of addiction. I was addicted to food and engaged in behaviors considered bulimic for several months in my 20s.

The reason Neptune/Pisces/Water factors come into play for many people who come to rely on various substances is the attempt to escape what feel like the harsher aspects of reality and their own feelings, pains, thoughtforms.

Cocaine is not the same as Cannabis. Meth and other strong stimulants are not the same as downers/depressants.

Fiery/driven types may feed workaholism with stimulants and force themselves 'down' with downers or depressants in the attempt to downregulate their excessive energies.

Water/emotive types may attempt to numb feelings they cannot escape or induce euphoria in the attempt to fly above them. Alcohol is very popular with these folks, partly because it is so common and so cheap.

There are plenty of people who use substances termed "drugs", but with various motivations. Some just want to experience variations of consciousness alteration (psychedelics, oneirogens) that can help them break out of the perceptual limits of prescribed cultural presumptions and conformity, much like is inferred here with the blanket use of the term 'drugs'. Most people who use these various substances are not addicted to them.

So there are two general categories (which admittedly may overlap for some people) related to this discussion:

- Alteration of the normal state of perception or awareness, which can be induced any of a number of ways (such as religious or rhythmic trance, hypnosis, meditation, music, visual phenomena, etc). This is appropriate and is essential for removing our minds from the bonds of the mundane problem solving mindset or beta brain wave consciousness. Any way that humans do this effectively is appropriate and acceptable. Humans have done it for millenia using Cannabis, opium, certain types of mushrooms, and numerous other plant allies.

- Propensity for addictive dependency can be first indicated by insecurity, feelings of inadequacy, self-loathing, a driven workaholic tendency (undergirded by a belief of 'never enough') with aspects that show overlap and are only indicated as potentials in the birth chart.

[b]No birth chart factor makes someone engage in addictive behaviors and no person is an 'addict' -- you are a person, a soul, a spirit having a human experience, which might temporarily include an experience of addiction.

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posted May 18, 2016 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, wow, thanks for the whole analysis, I agree with your point of view and especially this part blew my mind
"Alteration of the normal state of perception or awareness, which can be induced any of a number of ways (such as religious or rhythmic trance, hypnosis, meditation, music, visual phenomena, etc). This is appropriate and is essential for removing our minds from the bonds of the mundane problem solving mindset or beta brain wave consciousness. Any way that humans do this effectively is appropriate and acceptable. Humans have done it for millenia using Cannabis, opium, certain types of mushrooms, and numerous other plant allies."
It's perfect, thanks for phrasing it so effectively!

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Kannon McAfee
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posted May 18, 2016 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as natal factors go, Moon-Pluto contacts can be implicated as much as Neptune factors. I've got Mercury-Venus-Mars opposite Neptune and I've never been hooked on any 'drug' stronger than caffeine. I smoke a cigarette now and then if I want one. I go through periods when I use Cannabis for its health benefits. I stopped enjoying beer (looks like long-term) over two years ago out of choice because of a gallbladder issue.

I think the only way to truly study aspects indicating drug addiction is to look deeply at the charts of those who were born addicted to some type of substance. Then again, lots of folks like me were born under the heavy influence of the drugs like anesthetics give to our mothers. Addiction would apply to those poor little babies who developed with their mothers consistently putting heroin, alcohol, etc, into their bodies, which gets into the fetus as it develops.

The rest of us get there through layering of abuses, injuries, disappointments, depression, anxiety, self-loathing, etc, and trying to medicate all that into submission. Then it becomes a kind of chicken/egg situation. For many, religion, or power, or celebrity, or adrenaline rushes are their drugs, and they can be just as drastically damaging or imbalancing as any so-called drug.

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posted May 19, 2016 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReeseC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Work around a lot of celebrities doing promo, so I go to a lot of shows where drug culture is rampant(think Coachella, Lolla artists like Odeza, Kascade,Jack Ü). Anyway, I had never experimented with drugs until then, but since being around lots of people and artists, I have dabbled in a variety of things.

I have sun Biquintile Neptune
Sun quintile mars(in Pisces)
Moon in 12th
Neptune in 5th
Neptune trine ASC
Neptune in 5th trine Mercury(Sag house)
Moon quintile Pluto

I learned very quickly that everything hits me MUCH harder and MUCH stronger than normal, so I'm incredibly cautious.

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posted May 20, 2016 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ReeseC, that is an important point about Neptune factors related to personal points. Neptune can act a bit like Jupiter in some exaggerative qualities, but more marked by what we'd call sensitivity. I'm not a dabbler, but I do have the chemical sensitivity and absolutely cannot use pharmaceutical Rx drugs unless I first protect my liver with antioxidant rich herbs.

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posted May 20, 2016 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what causes high tolerance?
Drugs of most types don't seem to have the same effect on me as they do others.

I should point out that I don't dabble in any illegal drugs. I barely ever even have an alcoholic drink.

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I know someone with Sun tight conjunction Neptune and these two trine Mars conjunct Pluto in the 12th house. When he's not happy he drinks a lot and usually smokes weed every day. Plus, he likes trying drugs once or twice per year and tripping is his way to keep him away from reality.

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posted May 22, 2016 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read some the answers and I am wondering how I am not a drug addict yet :P

I do not smoke I havent even tried it
I do not drink alcohol

I have Sun in 12th H opposite Neptune and Uranus
Moon in Pisces
Venus Mars and Jupiter in Leo afflicted by Pluto (square)
Asc is also opposite Uranus and Neptune
I was not even once curious to try.
And I do not feel sympathy for those that are drug or alcohol addicted because for me is they fault.

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posted May 13, 2023 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 13, 2023 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My father was a heroin addict and that's how he died.

He had sun conjunct mercury in Pisces opposite pluto

Neptune conjunct Jupiter both on his NN in scorpio

Sun/Merc trine Neptune/Jupiter/NN

Neptune conjunction square venus and uranus (venus is opposite Uranus)

Moon in cancer opposite mars

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My husband have Capricorn Neptune which rule by Saturn. His Jupiter also in Capricorn too which rule by Saturn. No hard aspect with his Neptune at all, in fact the only aspect of his Neptune is the Neptune Jupiter conjunction both in the sign Capricorn.

He has Sun Trine Mars, Sun Trine Saturn. Mercury Trine Mars, Mercury Trine Saturn.

He has Saturn in 5th house, contain Scorpio Mars, Scorpio Saturn, Scorpio Pluto all in 5th.
His Venus in Aquarius in 8th, three of his Scorpio planets all Square his Venus.

His Moon in Gemini and in 12th house. Yep, Gemini Moon 12th house.

And NEVER once he has a drop of alcohol, never smoke a cigarette let alone weed or any type of drugs, nothing. He not even take pain meds, let alone weed. Drugs substance Never a thing for him, and I been with him 14 years.

He is a very low key person, and he solitary to the core, his jobs and hobbies are solitary too, he actually enjoy be alone. People afraid to be alone but not him, he crave and needs to be alone.
He married because he fall in love, and it been 14 years with him NEVER see him bother bat an eye look at another girl.

No drugs, never any drugs, and he has Gemini Moon in 12th.

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posted June 12, 2023 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve never used drugs, and have no interest in it. I’ve taken Tylenol and zzzquil, or medicine to treat something when I was sick, and could actually get medical help, because it was free (thank you, NHS!). Nothing beyond that.

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I have my Sagittarius Neptune square my Virgo Moon, sesquisquare (and contraparallel) my Saturn and sextile my Pluto Rising. I’m a very self controlled person, I don’t like to mess with the chemistry in my head. I rarely drink and when I do it’s very moderately. I have no intention to experiment with drugs either. I have first hand experience how this can escalate very quickly. My parents were alcoholics and my younger brother suffers from schizophrenia and is a drug addict. My mother had her Libra Moon conjunct Neptune and Saturn, my brother has his Sagittarius Moon conjunct Uranus and his Sun square Neptune.

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