posted January 21, 2013 05:46 AM            

But that's how Cappy energy seems to be - it's a pretty hard-a55ed type of energy where they'll pretty much walk all over and then look down on you and feel like you deserve it if you don't speak up about it. Very 'survival of the fittest' type of mindset.

In general I don't like them for that reason. I'm finding that even the ones that I have planets in some of the same signs I do...it's like the Cappy energy still gets in the way and I develop an aversion to them. Probably the Cappy person that I had the least trouble with, was a Cappy ascendant, and that's probably because his Saturn was in Pisces; even then, interacting with him was still a pretty gross experience; he just wasn't quite as bad as the Capricorn suns and Mercuries I've encountered.

Then again, my Mars is in direct opposition, in Cancer, so that might be why I find them kinda vile. What usually happens is that they walk all over and become abusive verbally...and then eventually I get to the point where I can't take it and I start hollering at them...then they act like I'm the one that did them some kind of harm. They just seem to have a horrible lack of empathy to me and value Self and being in a position of power status and dominance, more than anything else.

posted January 21, 2013 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by happyaskings:
Do you earn their respect or get the cold sholder...or something inbetween/different? For the record when I say standing up, I don't mean an emotional outburst; I mean logically taking a stance and perhaps refusing to put up with the crap they pull. No offense meant, I actually love Caps but I want to hear your personal opinons/experiences on this subject.

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posted January 21, 2013 02:28 PM            

Also, I D.E.T.E.S.T (!) when people whine.

posted January 21, 2013 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I don't care which walk of life you come from, if you don't have some type of respect or pride about yourself, I won't either.

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posted January 21, 2013 10:47 PM            

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As a mere, puny little Cappy Moon, if you let me, I WILL trample all over you. I don't care which walk of life you come from, if you don't have some type of respect or pride about yourself, I won't either. However, if I've done something wrong, feel free to tell me so. Do not yell or cause some form of drama. I will walk away without even blinking!

Also, I D.E.T.E.S.T (!) when people whine.

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Ohhh, that's such b.s.

Every Cappy person I've seen, tries to steamroll over everybody - even if the person has a great deal of pride and self-respect. In fact, they actually target those people the *most*, it's like they interpret the other person's self-esteem and pride as a personal threat or challenge.

Then they go into this weird competitive mode. My brother is a Cappy and I'm smart, I've always known I'm smart, everyone knows I'm smart. Now he has this thing where every chance he gets he tries to turn our exchanges into "I'm smarter than you and I'll prove it"...stuff turns into this weird little p155ing contest, and says things to try and undermine my confidence in my intelligence.

I think it stems from Capricorn's association with a desire for status, social-standing and power...on an ego level, Cappies always want to feel like they're at the top of the pecking order and if they feel like anyone isn't paying proper allegiance to them or feels they are an equal, they try to crush the other person. They view everything as a competition and as "I have to be the top dog".

I'm a Leo so that doesn't really go over well with me, and then toxic energy develops. When it comes down to it I'll put up with it because Leos have a line they won't cross and a point they won't go beyond...and a lot of times, a lot of Cappies, don't - there's a ruthlessness there that you won't find in a Leo - after all, Cappy is associated with Saturn, Leo is associated with the heart. So when the two go head to head it's usually the Leo that concedes out of necessity...just long enough to keep the peace, then they get as far away from the Cappy as is humanly possible.

Usually when the Cappy does actually give some respect if you stand up to them, it's more because they feel a sense of guilt about their behavior - and that's usually rare, and brief. That, or because they probably want something from you later, or want to be able to use the fact that they were nice to you, against you later. There's a coldness and callousness in that sign that I just don't like. Excellent for clawing your way to the top of any profession and ending up blindingly rich; not really good on a human level.

posted January 21, 2013 10:56 PM            

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Ohhh, that's such b.s.

Every Cappy person I've seen, tries to steamroll over everybody - even if the person has a great deal of pride and self-respect. In fact, they actually target those people the *most*, it's like they interpret the other person's self-esteem and pride as a personal threat or challenge.

Then they go into this weird competitive mode. My brother is a Cappy and I'm smart, I've always known I'm smart, everyone knows I'm smart. Now he has this thing where every chance he gets he tries to turn our exchanges into "I'm smarter than you and I'll prove it"...stuff turns into this weird little p155ing contest, and says things to try and undermine my confidence in my intelligence.

I think it stems from Capricorn's association with a desire for status, social-standing and power...on an ego level, Cappies always want to feel like they're at the top of the pecking order and if they feel like anyone isn't paying proper allegiance to them or feels they are an equal, they try to crush the other person. They view everything as a competition and as "I have to be the top dog".

I'm a Leo so that doesn't really go over well with me, and then toxic energy develops. When it comes down to it I'll put up with it because Leos have a line they won't cross and a point they won't go beyond...and a lot of times, a lot of Cappies, don't - there's a ruthlessness there that you won't find in a Leo - after all, Cappy is associated with Saturn, Leo is associated with the heart. So when the two go head to head it's usually the Leo that concedes out of necessity...just long enough to keep the peace, then they get as far away from the Cappy as is humanly possible.

Usually when the Cappy does actually give some respect if you stand up to them, it's more because they feel a sense of guilt about their behavior - and that's usually rare, and brief. That, or because they probably want something from you later, or want to be able to use the fact that they were nice to you, against you later. There's a coldness and callousness in that sign that I just don't like. Excellent for clawing your way to the top of any profession and ending up blindingly rich; not really good on a human level.

Am I saying all Cappies are that bad? No, I bet ones with a prominent Neptune probably aren't that way. But the ones I've encountered, lack that.

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posted January 21, 2013 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

Ohhh, that's such b.s.

Every Cappy person I've seen, tries to steamroll over everybody - even if the person has a great deal of pride and self-respect. In fact, they actually target those people the *most*, it's like they interpret the other person's self-esteem and pride as a personal threat or challenge.

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Interestingly enough, I feel like I experienced that today.
Although she's still young, a relative of mine (Cancer sun if it matters) is very smart. Stubborn in her views and narrow-minded, but usually has facts to back her arguments up. My uncle is a Capricorn. He's often over-talking his Sag mom and doesn't even balk to tell her to shut up, and over does the authoritative thing at times. Well, today we were all watching the Inaugural presidential stuff on TV, and my relative opted out. This irritated my uncle for some odd reason. So he walked in while she was on the Playstation and was like, why aren't you watching history on TV? And I think she said something among the lines of not caring, I'm not 100% but whatever she said he didn't like it, and started saying this condescending stuff like, "There's a reason why people say young and stupid" and basically insulting her for being a know-it-all, simply because she tries to explain things using decent logic and reasoning, and I guess that just rubs him te wrong way.
Maybe this is not a great example, but I have noticed this in a lot of Capricorn men. Not so much the ladies.

posted January 21, 2013 11:35 PM            

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But.....but...I don't wanna be top-dog!! I just wanna be the dog that topples you!!

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Cappy moon, right?

Thanks for proving my point.

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Interestingly enough, I feel like I experienced that today.
Although she's still young, a relative of mine (Cancer sun if it matters) is very smart. Stubborn in her views and narrow-minded, but usually has facts to back her arguments up. My uncle is a Capricorn. He's often over-talking his Sag mom and doesn't even balk to tell her to shut up, and over does the authoritative thing at times. Well, today we were all watching the Inaugural presidential stuff on TV, and my relative opted out. This irritated my uncle for some odd reason. So he walked in while she was on the Playstation and was like, why aren't you watching history on TV? And I think she said something among the lines of not caring, I'm not 100% but whatever she said he didn't like it, and started saying this condescending stuff like, "There's a reason why people say young and [b]stupid" and basically insulting her for being a know-it-all, simply because she tries to explain things using decent logic and reasoning, and I guess that just rubs him te wrong way.
Maybe this is not a great example, but I have noticed this in a lot of Capricorn men. Not so much the ladies.

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Exactly.

And the arguments about Cappies despising 'weakness' don't hold up either, because ironically enough, all the Capricornian/Saturnian people I've encountered, have psyches made of glass.

My Cappy sun brother is extremely sensitive, and will mope (or take it out on others) for days if someone says something negative to him about himself. This is the type of guy who gets upset if he gets flamed on mic when he's playing X-Box Live and will go into a mini-depression about it for days.

My Cappy Mercury sister - and Mercury is prominent in her chart, it's her chart ruler, and Saturn is conjunct her Venus - in an uncharacteristic move, admitted the other day that she didn't want to play some kind of phone game/app against other people, because she doesn't like doing things that she can't do well and doesn't feel sure she will 'win' at.

I've known other people with Saturn energy or Cappy energy prominent in their chart who are very overbearing and condescending and verbally abusive toward others as well - it's that same thing, always on that quest to be top dog - and after a litany of insults, I responded in kind...and then days later saw them talking about how they cried that whole evening about what I said, even in their bathtub.

There's that weird dichotomy there where Cappies have this thing about power and say they abhor weakness but psychologically they're paper-thin.

And then if they're hurt they expect the whole world to drop everything and listen to them go on and on about all their traumas and their pain and coddle, comfort and give them tons of leeway...but are strangely apathetic where everyone else is concerned and expects them to just suck it up and get on with things.

posted January 22, 2013 12:26 AM            

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Exactly.

And the arguments about Cappies despising 'weakness' don't hold up either, because ironically enough, all the Capricornian/Saturnian people I've encountered, have psyches made of glass.

My Cappy sun brother is extremely sensitive, and will mope (or take it out on others) for days if someone says something negative to him about himself. This is the type of guy who gets upset if he gets flamed on mic when he's playing X-Box Live and will go into a mini-depression about it for days.

My Cappy Mercury sister - and Mercury is prominent in her chart, it's her chart ruler, and Saturn is conjunct her Venus - in an uncharacteristic move, admitted the other day that she didn't want to play some kind of phone game/app against other people, because she doesn't like doing things that she can't do well and doesn't feel sure she will 'win' at.

I've known other people with Saturn energy or Cappy energy prominent in their chart who are very overbearing and condescending and verbally abusive toward others as well - it's that same thing, always on that quest to be top dog - and after a litany of insults, I responded in kind...and then days later saw them talking about how they cried that whole evening about what I said, even in their bathtub.

There's that weird dichotomy there where Cappies have this thing about power and say they abhor weakness but psychologically they're paper-thin.

And then if they're hurt they expect the whole world to drop everything and listen to them go on and on about all their traumas and their pain and coddle, comfort and give them tons of leeway...but are strangely apathetic where everyone else is concerned and expects them to just suck it up and get on with things.

So maybe it's not entirely accurate to say they lack empathy totally, but it's more like...their empathy only extends to themselves unless they have Neptune busy in there to 'give them a heart'.

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I get your point. I was never allowed to be enough Capricorn by my Scorpio mother. Actually, I was never allowed to be anything at all by my Scorpio mother. Not sure whether I should thank her or not!!

I have spent 36 years of my life caring for others, altruistically. I am currently trying to figure out a script where people's emotions, DEEP emotions, can surface in a comprehensive manner so that others can relate to what it is that they feel. It's hard tho!!

posted January 22, 2013 12:32 AM            

Everyone else, when they talk about us, is just bumbling around in the dark.

posted January 22, 2013 12:50 AM            

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I get your point. I was never allowed to be enough Capricorn by my Scorpio mother. Actually, I was never allowed to be anything at all by my Scorpio mother. Not sure whether I should thank her or not!!

I have spent 36 years of my life caring for others, altruistically. I am currently trying to figure out a script where people's emotions, DEEP emotions, can surface in a comprehensive manner so that others can relate to what it is that they feel. It's hard tho!!

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*sideye*

I'm gonna be honest - every single Capricornian/Saturnian person I've encountered, has always done altruistic things with an ulterior motive - whether it's because they wanted to 'look good' for others, or because they wanted to be able to use what they did for someone against them later, or because they got off on the sense of power it gave them over others, or the status they got from it.

I have literally never seen a Cappy person do anything for anyone with no strings attached, or without thinking of a way they could gain from it.

And in my experience it's not that other people have a problem understanding and processing their emotions. It's more that Capricorns have a general blindspot and inability to realize that other people's feelings matter too, that it's not just about 'them'.

Empathy is something the sign struggles with and if you consider the qualities of the ruling planet, it makes sense why.

It's not that everyone needs a Capricorn to develop a script and tell them what they're feeling - which is a comment that really echoed what I was saying about the Capricorn's constant quest and need for dominance and authority over people because it basically boiled down to, "Everyone else doesn't know what they feel and they need ME to tell them."

posted January 22, 2013 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think only Capricorn gets Capricorn.

Everyone else, when they talk about us, is just bumbling around in the dark.

No offense intended, I just think it takes one to know one.

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True.

posted January 22, 2013 03:39 AM            

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I'm gonna be honest - every single Capricornian/Saturnian person I've encountered, has always done altruistic things with an ulterior motive - whether it's because they wanted to 'look good' for others, or because they wanted to be able to use what they did for someone against them later, or because they got off on the sense of power it gave them over others, or the status they got from it.

I have literally never seen a Cappy person do anything for anyone with no strings attached, or without thinking of a way they could gain from it.

And in my experience it's not that other people have a problem understanding and processing their emotions. It's more that Capricorns have a general blindspot and inability to realize that other people's feelings matter too, that it's not just about 'them'.

Empathy is something the sign struggles with and if you consider the qualities of the ruling planet, it makes sense why.

It's not that everyone needs a Capricorn to develop a script and tell them what they're feeling - which is a comment that really echoed what I was saying about the Capricorn's constant quest and need for dominance and authority over people because it basically boiled down to, "Everyone else doesn't know what they feel and they need ME to tell them."

It's inherently offensive both in its premise and its implications, and that mindset is common among Cappy/Saturnine people...which is why I put up with them only when I absolutely have to, and then avoid like the plague.

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wow,you sure have got a few bad experiences with capricorns.This is all very negative feedback you've got there.

My sister is a Sun cappy, she has mercury, mars in capricorn, am capricorn rising, lots of saturn influence in my chart to tag myself as Saturnine. We don't make friends easily because we don't trust easily, we NEVER say things we don't mean or we haven't thought about carefully but when we do consider you as a friend, we are the most solid,loyal, reliable, trustworthy people you will ever find in your life.Once you gain our trust, we will stand by you through thin and thick. I have few good friends, some people I call a little more than acquaintances but not close enough to be called friends, but still if they ask for my help, I will help them in a heart beat without expecting anything in return, now I have people I am just acquainted with, if they request my help and I have to go out of my way to do that then yes, I would think how this will benefit me if I help them.

posted January 22, 2013 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by happyaskings:
Do you earn their respect or get the cold sholder...or something inbetween/different? For the record when I say standing up, I don't mean an emotional outburst; I mean logically taking a stance and perhaps refusing to put up with the crap they pull. No offense meant, I actually love Caps but I want to hear your personal opinons/experiences on this subject.

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I haven't really had an experience with Cappy men, but my mother is a true cappy so I'll describe my experience with her. (Her Moon is in Aries, Mercury in Sag, Mars in Libra, Venus in Sag, Pisces Rising).

posted January 22, 2013 04:54 AM            

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True.

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I never came in this thread with the intent of getting anyone to agree with me. Especially Capricorns.

posted January 22, 2013 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
I never came in this thread with the intent of getting anyone to agree with me. Especially Capricorns.

I wonder if it's less that everyone else is just 'stumbling around in the dark' and more about the huge Cappy ego (which could honestly give Leo a run for its money) being incapable of critical self-analysis or acknowledging any shortcomings.

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No, it was more about making a point which I agreed to. It takes one to know one. Nothing to do with astrology there,or natal aspects. If the person in question is a capricorn understanding another capricorn, then it's great, everyone is happy.

(On a side note, sometimes I don't understand my sister even though she is a cappy, but we are strongly connected to each other, but I don't want to get distracted here.)

BUT:

Defining someone based on natal aspects is far from what is called an analysis, it is plain simple stereotyping. Thinking that you know how big an ego someone has based on planetary placements does not call for any aknowlegement whatsoever of any shortcomings you think the individual might have in your perspective of the posts made in this thread.

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And the arguments about Cappies despising 'weakness' don't hold up either, because ironically enough, all the Capricornian/Saturnian people I've encountered, have psyches made of glass.

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I despise weakness, I have no patience for people who crack under pressure, those who give up easily. That's why I deeply admire and respect people who are like me, who instead of giving up will try harder or will find ways to adapt to the circumstance so as not to give up. I can assure you my psyche is not made of glass.If someone let me inside their head, I will mess with it, at least I will try but now I don't. But I know I can,especially when I smell weakness on a person.However I don't associate this part of me with me being a capricorn, it's more about who I am,who I have become.

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I believe you should give everybody respect right from the beginning until they do something to you to show they don't deserve it. I've always thought the idea that you have to earn respect/being treated decently, is inherently asinine.

But that's how Cappy energy seems to be - it's a pretty hard-a55ed type of energy where they'll pretty much walk all over and then look down on you and feel like you deserve it if you don't speak up about it. Very 'survival of the fittest' type of mindset.

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You give respect to everybody until they show they don't deserve it? Everybody except Capricorn...I guess that's what you meant.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
In general I don't like them for that reason. I'm finding that even the ones that I have planets in some of the same signs I do...he just wasn't quite as bad as the Capricorn suns and Mercuries I've encountered.

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I see.

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
Then again, my Mars is in direct opposition, in Cancer, so that might be why I find them kinda vile.

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Vile, wow. So is it fair to say, everyone deserves your respect except Capricorns, who are vile?

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
What usually happens is that they walk all over and become abusive verbally...

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They do?

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
and then eventually I get to the point where I can't take it and I start hollering at them...then they act like I'm the one that did them some kind of harm.

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Gosh, I can't see how that could ever be the case!!

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
They just seem to have a horrible lack of empathy to me and value Self and being in a position of power status and dominance, more than anything else.

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Mmmm...they should learn empathy from you, I guess.

posted January 22, 2013 11:28 AM            

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I haven't really had an experience with Cappy men, but my mother is a true cappy so I'll describe my experience with her. (Her Moon is in Aries, Mercury in Sag, Mars in Libra, Venus in Sag, Pisces Rising).

I do believe that Cappys will pay attention to your opinion, listen to you and yeah if you're logical and are right, they probably understand that.
Thing is, they can be quite stubborn, so even if they understand and know you're right, since they aren't so fond of admitting they're wrong, they'll probably continue sticking to their opinion.

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