posted January 30, 2013 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I just love these self-congratulatory threads It juxtaposes against all the "I hate all ____" threads

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Yes, especially for Caps.

posted January 30, 2013 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, especially for Caps.

Some people here go on thread after thread ridiculing us. I can think of one person who does it so consistently, I think that person has a vendetta or something.

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posted January 30, 2013 11:39 AM            

i have been involved with ALOT of capricorn moon men jeez.

anyway- i like that capricorns have been through alot and you can just be real with them because they have seen it all, you can also trust them not to pry into your affairs because they have lots of secrets themselves, especially the older ones who are in a position of power and so have seen it all and done it all.

posted January 30, 2013 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, especially for Caps.

Some people here go on thread after thread ridiculing us. I can think of one person who does it so consistently, I think that person has a vendetta or something.

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just one, Faith? ^^;

I love these threads as much as I hate the ones they juxtapose! lol

What really gets me, is how many folks here can lay claim to being "aware" or "knowing" of the factors that go into making an individual unique, they can say, (usually in defense of their own signs, or someone they know/cherish) "there is more to it than just sun sign", but when you cycle through enough pages... you'll find that "other thread" where they will completely contradict that message entirely.

The greatest compliment I've seen here, and it's one I agree with wholeheartedly, as a Cap sun and merc only, and not even a Cap dominant (it's my 4th dominant), is "Capricorns are not superficial".

Those who recognize this...

I personally, thank you. <3

Capricorns, while (sometimes) harsh, stern, and at least outwardly "stiff upper lipped" during those crucial times when it is called for (which it goes without saying, is exactly the time we're easiest to recognize, much to our own detriment)... tend to be a lot less superficially judgmental, and shallow.

Taking care of ones own, (whatever that might be), is NOT a bad trait. Capricorns endeavor to bring order, structure, and stability to those around them, often with a great deal of patience, self-discipline, and sacrifice on their own part.

While this is not appreciated by all~ (clearly)

it is done quite often, with good intention. (Yet, we all know,"no good deed goes unpunished", or Wilde's, "They do their best, no doubt, and consequently we get the worst from them. It is always with the best intentions that the worst work is done")

~In any case...
Without perseverance, nothing enduring would be achieved.

And, you're left with only the "superficial", the reckless, and the squandering... we could never move onto the greatness that comes from Aquarian and Piscean gifts, their contribution to the zodiac, and their cohesive energies to make sense and assimilate everything that everyone before has worked toward. (Pisces, 12th house... is, the culmination of all that has come before.)

You lose one sign, you dismiss their contributions... and you lose the effort everyone has put into something...(it's very simple)

Capricorn energy, the attributes given to Capricorns, are meant as with any other sign... to benefit humanity in some way.

Just because one person digresses from fulfilling their potential, from aiding the world, your world, or plays you in a foul or wicked way...

It shouldn't make that sign the fault of everything, or put them alone on the receiving end of bitterness or contempt.

We're all individuals, and every sign has its part, its gift... a role to play in the grand scheme of things. (Isn't that what astrology teaches?)

(that's how I have come to look at it, at least...)

The entire reason I won't dig into someone for their one sign, one placement, just because a half dozen; (a tiny percentage of people by that sign/sharing the same placement really), as being unsavory altogether; and being contemptuous towards others just because I've had the ill fate of running into such poor souls.... is because of this very creed. :/

I don't think it is just a Capricorn trait... or desire... but being irritated by shallowness.... is definitely "somewhere" in my chart. And, I would think, if any place, I'd find similar minded people, those even further dedicated to disproving myths and progressing away from misrepresentations; those people that would like to see this science given more credit, recognition, and advancing; those who were beyond nit-picking, vehemently against libeling; and in favour of treating astrology with the respect it deserves, by not blacklisting based on solely personal indiscretions witnessed or suffered by the minority from the minority.... I'd find those people here. ~__~ that was my thought.. initially.

^ this is not a "bashing" - of any one person or group in particular... not here or anywhere. *disclaimer* (just "by the by")

Just, hopefully, (wishful thinking perhaps), trying to call attention back to why we are all here studying astrology, contributing what we can, when we can, to a wonderful astrologers' memory, and passions that inspired so many with her contribution to all of us~ and, maybe... (in hope) others will see the failing behind the bash-sign threads, and how they go against the very thing such beloved astrologers have worked toward...

Goodman, Omarr, Hand, Spiller, Miller... (whatever your preference) ~ wherever you look, these people are not out wasting time pointing out every flaw within a certain sign, (though they surely know there are faults, they will recognize the duality, sure enough, within every one of them)... it goes against the pursuit to understand this field, to be blindly targeting only the flaws, and making biased personal observations into all inclusive facts, or in the worst cases spewing hatred for anyone for no purpose or a less than honourable one, at that. If Goodman had a bias, she doesn't appear to have taken the time to vent on it in the same exhaustive manner that is done regularly here, by the people who should have a better example to follow (since they are at linda-goodman.com after all) than to do the exact opposite, and how!~
I feel very deeply, every time someone picks on that one sign, whichever it is, that they are doing a discredit to the very people who brought us this study, and kept it alive for centuries, and have and are endeavoring to preserve it, to further it, and bring credit to it.... but also to themselves... whether it is a dominant, just a sun, or just a house ruler... even the invisible sign stuck in the middle somewhere on your natal wheel... We ALL have each sign within us, and each sign as historic, and modern astrology agree, has its place in ourselves, and the world.

nownow~ before it is even said...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... sure, have at it!~ it doesn't entitle you to be ignorant of the rest of the population, or in your expressions/explanations... and it won't give you any bearing over the majority... (though sometimes it would seem people believe they do).... it's when it is shared in a way that would indicate otherwise... that's the problem. When all someone contributes to the community, to a topic, to the study in general, is negative, and/or based on solely personal belief (where not asked to do so to begin with), that's a problem.

Not* having better things to do than waste time focusing always on a person's bad characteristics, has never been a "good trait" for someone to have themselves...

so, those folks... they should do some serious soul searching, and that /is/ "my opinion".

*readyfortheflamesquad*

posted January 30, 2013 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
To further the sweeping generalizations, Capricorn women are just so "responsible." Capricorn men are just "boring."

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hehe

posted January 30, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
To further the sweeping generalizations, Capricorn women are just so "responsible." Capricorn men are just "boring."

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posted January 30, 2013 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, especially for Caps.

Some people here go on thread after thread ridiculing us. I can think of one person who does it so consistently, I think that person has a vendetta or something.

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Really? Ive seen alot of threads bashing alot of other signs as well. Barely Caps.

posted January 30, 2013 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
Really? Ive seen alot of threads bashing alot of other signs as well. Barely Caps.

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posted January 30, 2013 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
Really? Ive seen alot of threads bashing alot of other signs as well. Barely Caps.

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posted January 30, 2013 07:39 PM            

"What really gets me, is how many folks here can lay claim to being "aware" or "knowing" of the factors that go into making an individual unique, they can say, (usually in defense of their own signs, or someone they know/cherish) "there is more to it than just sun sign", but when you cycle through enough pages... you'll find that "other thread" where they will completely contradict that message entirely."

Not contradictory, in fact:
You can look at the chart as a whole.
You can isolate factors and look at them individually.
You can isolate signs, planets, aspects and look at them individually.

I guess you could also say that the individual pieces make up the puzzle,
that doesn't render them invalid or useless.

posted January 30, 2013 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
Really? Ive seen alot of threads bashing alot of other signs as well. Barely Caps.

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I think you should read the post Faith was responding to first (by YTA) and then reread her post a few times...

(slow it down and read it again.)

She's simply agreeing with YTA's comment, that she also likes these threads that serve as the antithesis to those threads biased against a sign, in this case it is Capricorn

she was not stating that it was Capricorns being targeted more often than others or exclusive to this one sign, but that she likes these threads about Capricorn after having sat through the lambasting of said sign herself~

It was /not/ her singling out a sign more than any other, or stating who is on the receiving end of more negativity, more often than any other sign...

it was a very simple, straightforward post about how she felt in relation to what YTA had said (in the quote box of her post)...

As for /where/ the bashing threads of any sign can be found... you won't find them by looking at titles alone. lol (like someone would actually post a thread titled "XXXX sign sucks b's" or "I F'g hate all XXX they can all go roast in XXXX" LMFAO - yeahnobuddy!) ^^; There'll be no flashing, neon lights leading you to them... they usually spawn out of originally harmless posts and devolve into that sort of thing over several replies.... quite often bias lines are drawn and you can distinguish different people by their frequent tirades against a sign of their disliking or signs of their disliking... because there are those who hold such grudges, that's their choice... just saying... that's how you find them though... and how you start recognizing these things... OF COURSE - I'd also like to point out, unless it is YOUR sign being bashed... you generally won't give it the same amount of attention... it only makes sense that the ones that will catch your eye/attention first are NOT about the sign you are not or the sign you hate... hahaha no. You're more likely to pay sympathy for your own, then pay attention to another... that stands with reason.

still though - this requires "post mining"... which can be done ^^; if you have the patience and interest to do so. <3

As for me, I've happened across many bash threads, usually like I said though... they were actual topics, legitimate in the beginning... actual questions, or statements - that for whatever reason... turned sour.
(And, to be clear once more... not that I haven't stated it enough)~ this is not just about Capricorn only~ I am talking about finding them on every sign. ^^

there is a very VAST inventory of useful knowledge and shameful libeling in those there pages~ ^^; it won't take too long for you to stumble across one of some sort~

I've had enough negative reading lately on this and that sign/placement - I'd rather see people contribute to the actual study - I don't need compliments, but I'd rather them then ignorant assumptions, or having myself squashed into a pile with whatever pr-k ticked someone off~ lol but, really no... contribute to the discussions, even if in a small way... that's all I care for here. My Jupiter is too strong... and I like to be joyful and loving.... negativity does not look good on any sign, least of all a Cappy -- that's the truth, I'd even put money on it.
<3 anyway

I hope that cleared things up some! ^^

With how long it takes me to post things - you've probably already figured out what Faith was saying anyway~ lol misunderstandings happen from time to time, when everyone reads things differently, and we all have a different frame of mind to analyze them from. no?! But, there ya go~ <3
Hope that helps.

posted January 30, 2013 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Saturnine Moth

"What really gets me, is how many folks here can lay claim to being "aware" or "knowing" of the factors that go into making an individual unique, they can say, (usually in defense of their own signs, or someone they know/cherish) "there is more to it than just sun sign", but when you cycle through enough pages... you'll find that "other thread" where they will completely contradict that message entirely."

Not contradictory, in fact:
You can look at the chart as a whole.
You can isolate factors and look at them individually.
You can isolate [b]signs, planets, aspects and look at them individually.

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looking at something individually is not the same as making a factual deduction based on that factor alone and calling it the sum of the whole.

looking at everything together is.
right?

that was my point... I should have been clearer - thank you Lonake.

But, you've misinterpreted what I was meaning to emphasize... I want to show that while some people are willing and able to look at something to their benefit, when they hold a personal grudge or dissatisfaction with something they are not so keen to do the same, but instead, choose to use a different formula altogether based on that bias.

Scientifically speaking you can do this and that... but the point, here is that they are not doing the same for both situations. ^^;

again, I should have been a little clearer with my phrasing. Sorry!

posted January 30, 2013 08:10 PM            

And regarding bias, there's positives and negatives. One could be positively biased as well based on personal preference. They're not usually seeing something that's not there, they're just seeing one (or some) of the sides. Again, isolating the pieces.

posted January 30, 2013 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just hope people can differentiate between bashing and having the same experience with a sign thus trying to understand why.

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posted January 31, 2013 04:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just hope people can differentiate between bashing and having the same experience with a sign thus trying to understand why.

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posted January 31, 2013 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Yep. Every sign gets it's turn to be bashed around here. Personally, I prefer to avoid such threads. The reality is there is naughty and nice in every sign.

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