posted February 17, 2013 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
We dont need to hear that you are homosexual and proud of it nad prance on the streets in a G string and clown hair (Gay pride parades of San Francisco). You dont hear people say, hey Im asexual and thump their chests. You dont hear people who are virgins marh on streets with underwear in locks screaming at the top of their lungs that they are soo cool. No one friggin cares that you are homosexual except you. Sometimes I think people blow their situation out of proportion and feed off the attention.

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I care.

When was the last time a virgin was killed because she was a virgin? When was the last time an asexual got beat up because he was asexual? Is virginity illegal? Are the rights of asexuals or virgins taken away because they are asexuals or virgins?

NO!

Gay people have been persecuted for a very long time. Gays have been killed, and are still killed, because of their sexual orientation.

Gay pride is about celebrating the fact that people do not have to hide their sexuality. It's a celebration of freedom. I'm not gay, but I go to gay pride every year, and I have a wonderful time.

posted February 18, 2013 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:

This is how most of my friends and I were taught. We also didnt have allowances, access to private internet, phones, or allowed to walk to a party etc. Everything was chaperoned. And because that was just how things were we never rebelled against it. It was just second nature. There was no angst about not being able to sleep over someone elses house. My parents did for work related reasons have us sleep over at their trusted friends homes But we never slept over our friends homes.

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Well, just because you lived a sheltered life, it doesn't mean that everyone else should.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
I dont need people to teach my future kids about sexuality, how to have sex, how to use protection. I honestly didnt know what an orgasm was until I was 23. I didnt know that girls masturbated. I was so focused on school and I guess my friends and I never talked about sex etc. We were so busy with projects and deadlines. Yes there were scandals at my college and even a case sexual blackmail. Yes I knew what sex was starting at age 9 and have sex ed in 5th and 6th grade. Still, none of my friends put so much emphasis on it.

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Are you talking about actual children or teenagers? Because I don't think anyone (or at least most people) is actually teaching little children about sex, and teenagers need to know about sex, the risks and effects of STDs, etc. And there is nothing wrong with masturbation. And again, just because you lived an overly sheltered life doesn't mean that everyone else should.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Anyway, I had a problem when a preschool teacher in vermont took it upin herself to introduce a gay fairytale story. She brought in the book with a picture of two males kissing. I dont need my preschooler asking me if that is appropriate or anything.

I would rather not see any kissing in any childrens books. I find it totally unnecessary.

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But most children's books are fairy tales...and do include some kind of kissing, even Disney movies do, "True loves first kiss" and the like.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
We dont need to hear that you are homosexual and proud of it nad prance on the streets in a G string and clown hair (Gay pride parades of San Francisco). You dont hear people say, hey Im asexual and thump their chests. You dont hear people who are virgins marh on streets with underwear in locks screaming at the top of their lungs that they are soo cool. No one friggin cares that you are homosexual except you. Sometimes I think people blow their situation out of proportion and feed off the attention.

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But most gay people aren't actually like that, they are a vocal minority. I'm gay and sure as hell am not like that, I don't cross dress, purposely speak with a lisp, etc.

posted February 18, 2013 12:25 PM            

as for homosexuality- gay men are partly responsible for the flourishing aids rate- if you are careful it is not a problem for heterosexuals. again not a judgement just a fact. i tend to find gay men highly annoying on a personal level- they seem to have the worst qualities of men with the worst qualities of women but there are some nice ones and that is a personal view it does not impact on my political views or views regarding gay rights- gays should be given equal rights with regards employment, etc and discrimination/harassment should be treated seriously

i remember passing through gay pride in london and there was this lone muslim lesbian girl on the float with her hair covered- i found it oddly touching.

i do agree with dreaming111 about whoever is loudest gets the most sympathy- it does seem unfair- it seems like wheneverthere is anything regarding gay issues it attracts hysteria from liberals desperate to show off their credentials regardless of the facts.

i consider myself liberal but im not a pushover.

posted February 18, 2013 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
I care.

When was the last time a virgin was killed because she was a virgin? When was the last time an asexual got beat up because he was asexual? Is virginity illegal? Are the rights of asexuals or virgins taken away because they are asexuals or virgins?

NO!

Gay people have been persecuted for a very long time. Gays have been killed, and are still killed, because of their sexual orientation.

Gay pride is about celebrating the fact that people do not have to hide their sexuality. It's a celebration of freedom. I'm not gay, but I go to gay pride every year, and I have a wonderful time.

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm bothering wasting my time on this response to you. Based on the rest of your post, you and I will never agree on anything.

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There are millions of people who have been and still are persecuted. Women. Children. Elderly. Non-Chrisitans. Non-Muslims. People suffering from alibinism. People who have physical deformities or mental issues. In many countries there is killing of certain ethnic groups. All of this is documented.

Yet when they band together and form organizations, they are serious. They get work done. They dont put on clown hair, wear thongs and prance on the streets shouting silly slogans and making out.

To me the gay pride parade is a joke and the idiotic way they behave and those that support the parade behave is silly. It just shows to other people that if they are messing around, why should anyone else get serious for them on their behalf?

Having said that Ellen the talk show host is very vocal when issues arise. She is also open about her relationship. But she doesnt make her sexuality her sole identity. It helps people relate to her. I want to listen to what she has to say. I am more open to her message and her views because I dont feel like it is insincere or a joke.

I guess I have an issue with all the racket and noise that people make for any cause. I dislike the approach to a very serious issue. Yes, I agree that it is a serious issue. But my sympathy extends to people who are really serious and sincere about their own issues.

I dont see that with the gay pride parade. I dont get how slapping your a*s wearing a silly costume does anything to send a positive message. It makes you look stupid, immature and not at all serious. And again if you arent seriosu about your own serious issue why the heck should anyone else care?

posted February 18, 2013 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
There are millions of people who have been and still are persecuted. Women. Children. Elderly. Non-Chrisitans. Non-Muslims. People suffering from alibinism. People who have physical deformities or mental issues. In many countries there is killing of certain ethnic groups. All of this is documented.

Yet when they band together and form organizations, they are serious. They get work done. They dont put on clown hair, wear thongs and prance on the streets shouting silly slogans and making out.

To me the gay pride parade is a joke and the idiotic way they behave and those that support the parade behave is silly. It just shows to other people that if they are messing around, why should anyone else get serious for them on their behalf?

Having said that Ellen the talk show host is very vocal when issues arise. She is also open about her relationship. But she doesnt make her sexuality her sole identity. It helps people relate to her. I want to listen to what she has to say. I am more open to her message and her views because I dont feel like it is insincere or a joke.

I guess I have an issue with all the racket and noise that people make for any cause. I dislike the approach to a very serious issue. Yes, I agree that it is a serious issue. But my sympathy extends to people who are really serious and sincere about their own issues.

I dont see that with the gay pride parade. I dont get how slapping your a*s wearing a silly costume does anything to send a positive message. It makes you look stupid, immature and not at all serious. And again if you arent seriosu about your own serious issue why the heck should anyone else care?

My opinion. And yes, I dont think that I would agree with something you would conjure up. You just have a different mentality than I.

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Gay pride is a celebration. Every other day of the year, gays do not make out in public, nor do they dress like that. Even in Toronto, some people would jeer at gays for holding hands or making out. Gay Pride week is for gays to enjoy the same privileges as straight people do. They can make out, hold hands, etc.

What's the purpose of Mardi Gras parades? If straight culture is all about propriety, then why do women dance topless in the streets? Why do men drool all over them? Why is this any different from a Pride parade?

We straight people get to flaunt our sexuality 24/7, 365 days per year. Movies, music videos, magazines, billboards, etc., yet allowing gays to have one day is just too much?

posted February 18, 2013 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
Well, just because you lived a sheltered life, it doesn't mean that everyone else should.

And again, just because you lived an overly sheltered life doesn't mean that everyone else should.

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I never said that anyone should.
I dont think that you need to keep saying that to try to make it seem like my lifestyle is a negative. Yes, I dislike stds. Yes, I dislike the thought of spreading my legs at ever urge. Yes, I feel education and career is important and requires serious effort. yes, I feel family is also important. Yes, I feel that self discipline and direction never hurt anyone. Yes, I dont do drugs or make a scene to get attention. Yes, I dont dress provocatively.
Yes, I do have intelligent friend and dont waste my time with trying to fit into an in crowd. Yes, I dont waste time experimenting with hair dye, drugs, sex, parties, alcohol.

So what?

Are you seriously going to get catty about my lifestyle and then demand tolerance for yours? Really? Good luck with that.

The gay men I have seen, worked and went to school with were all vocal. Their sexual life is the only thing they would talk about:Who they found sexy or want to do it with. They males would always go out of their way for attention. I find them extremely superficial and self absorbed. Just go to youtube and you will see gay men making videos about Sh*t gay men say...
Even they see it. So I dont know what you are trying to prove here.

One guy in med school actually would solicit sex from straight males making them uncomfortable. He would tell straight guys *Hey dont look at that girl. Ill do you better. Tee hee*

He even dressed in drag and did a show in front of professors where he was groped-- yes, friggin groped! and this too in front of kids!-- by two other male dancers who were not from the med school. Everyone was embarrassed, shocked and disgusted. Lots of professors talked about it the next day saying it was unbecoming of a physician to behave that way. It was highly unprofessional.

I am sure that you would defend that behavior and say....*Oh we are what we are. Love everyone. It is good to be expressive. It is cool to do those things.*

And fact is on youtube, you see a lot of men on there being catty, b*itch talking and being crass. They even attack different scene homosexuals. They are the most intolerant bunch I have seen, and yet they pound their fists on the table asking for tolerance.

I have not to date seen a lesbian female do that. Is that weird? I really havent seen a lesbian act like an attention wh*re or be catty toward other lesbians. Im sure it happens but at least not publically.

It is lame that when they actually come out of the closet, they feel that it is appropriate to catch and publicize their family^s reactions. Why would you do that for such a serious and private issue? Its also lame that then if the family reacts poorly that they would have the nerve to post it online and lambaste their whole family. Dude, you just dropped a bomb on your parents. What the eff do you expect?!?! And at least give them some time to get used to the idea. Why pull the rug out from under the people you love publically, for a couple of youtube likes? Does it make them happy to see strangers bad mouth their own family? Apparently it does.

With men I see more of that attitude. I dont see as many with sympathy, empathy toward their family. But I have seen few that speak about how they understand what their family is feeling and how they felt bad etc. To those men I feel a lot of sympathy, and I do support them and hope they live happier lives.

posted February 18, 2013 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Gay pride is a celebration. Every other day of the year, gays do not make out in public, nor do they dress like that. Even in Toronto, some people would jeer at gays for holding hands or making out. Gay Pride week is for gays to enjoy the same privileges as straight people do. They can make out, hold hands, etc.

What's the purpose of Mardi Gras parades? If straight culture is all about propriety, then why do women dance topless in the streets? Why do men drool all over them? Why is this any different from a Pride parade?

We straight people get to flaunt our sexuality 24/7, 365 days per year. Movies, music videos, magazines, billboards, etc., yet allowing gays to have one day is just too much?

Gay people have tons of serious organizations which push their cause ahead. You allow one day of gay pride to overshadow all the work organizations like PFLAG, ILGA, GLSEN, etc.

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As I said before, and I will say again. I disagree with anyone being a fool out in public. Have you been to the gay pride parades in sf? You obviously havent.

I dont like that mardi gras either. Like I said in my post before, which you chose to reply with that I was too sheltered, I dislike people acting wh*rish. End of story. I dont care if you are Martian.

Its my opinion. I can state my opinion.

Yes I do allow that one day to overshadow any serious organization, namely because those organizations sponsor and encourage the pride parade. I dont mind couples marching with banners and hugging and holding hands. But dont expect anyone to take looney toons in costumes acting like uncivilized people seriously.
Just dont.

Also have you seen GLAADs. they attacked Kirk Cameron for his views. His views. they wanted to take legal action and dig up his dirt. Does that sound catty and childish? YES!!!!

Im not even Christian nor religious for that matter! I dont agree with a lot he has to say. But I wont stoop as low as attack a person legally for it or attempt to influence or destroy their career.

He wasnt even talking about homosexuality and the interviewer decided to ask him his view. He stated it and he gets attacked?

Where is the tolerance and freedom to think differently now? If people dont think like you then you have the right to villify them?

Sureeee.

posted February 18, 2013 02:06 PM            

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Confusing a gay pride parade in Frisco with actual gay rights groups like Human Rights Coalition, GLAAD, GLSEN is just one more thing you say that makes me wonder if you actually believe what you're saying or just having fun with us pulling our leg. I really don't get how you can mix that up together. But then most of what you posted in this thread has made me go "WTF?" which is why I haven't touched anything you said until now.

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posted February 18, 2013 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by sharpei:
it seems like wheneverthere is anything regarding gay issues it attracts hysteria from liberals desperate to show off their credentials regardless of the facts.

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A guy who fears gay marriage will lead to women marrying horses is complaining of OTHERS attracting hysteria?

Btw, just for the record I'm not a liberal.

posted February 18, 2013 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Yes, I dislike stds. Yes, I dislike the thought of spreading my legs at ever urge. Yes, I feel education and career is important and requires serious effort. yes, I feel family is also important. Yes, I feel that self discipline and direction never hurt anyone. Yes, I dont do drugs or make a scene to get attention. Yes, I dont dress provocatively.
Yes, I do have intelligent friend and dont waste my time with trying to fit into an in crowd. Yes, I dont waste time experimenting with hair dye, drugs, sex, parties, alcohol.

So what?

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Uhh, where did I say that it's good to have casual sex and get STD's? I'm actually quite a prude in that regard, when did I say that family wasn't important, etc. Read the parts that I quoted, then you'll get it. And I actually laughed out loud at the last part. Hair dye, really? How does that have anything to do with those other things that you mentioned? Most people do dye their hair at some point in their lives, so what?

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:

The gay men I have seen, worked and went to school with were all vocal. Their sexual life is the only thing they would talk about:Who they found sexy or want to do it with. They males would always go out of their way for attention. I find them extremely superficial and self absorbed. Just go to youtube and you will see gay men making videos about Sh*t gay men say...
Even they see it. So I dont know what you are trying to prove here.

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So what you're trying to say here is that every single gay man in the world is a sl** , a stereotype, and makes videos about s*** that gay men say, huh? And I don't do anything that you listed, but I do find it kind of funny that you brought up the mentioning of who is hot, etc, everyone does that...gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, heterosexuals...everyone.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
I am sure that you would defend that behavior and say....*Oh we are what we are. Love everyone. It is good to be expressive. It is cool to do those things.*

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Did you even read my post?

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
And fact is on youtube, you see a lot of men on there being catty, b*itch talking and being crass. They even attack different scene homosexuals. They are the most intolerant bunch I have seen, and yet they pound their fists on the table asking for tolerance.

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Okay, so I guess that we should just assume that all Christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church or that all Muslims are terrorists or that all black people commit crimes frequently, etc. Stereotypes. Again, not all gay people are like that.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
It is lame that when they actually come out of the closet, they feel that it is appropriate to catch and publicize their family^s reactions. Why would you do that for such a serious and private issue? Its also lame that then if the family reacts poorly that they would have the nerve to post it online and lambaste their whole family. Dude, you just dropped a bomb on your parents. What the eff do you expect?!?! And at least give them some time to get used to the idea. Why pull the rug out from under the people you love publically, for a couple of youtube likes? Does it make them happy to see strangers bad mouth their own family? Apparently it does.

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I never even did that. I told my parents, it was the end of it. I didn't constantly bring it up, I didn't make a big scene about it with non-family, etc. I don't try to hide it, if someone asks me if I'm gay, I'm going to say, but I never made a YouTube video about it or made it a big spectacle with everyone that I know.

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
But to selfish, self-absorbed idiots like Chris Crocker and the likes. I dont have any sympathy. I really dont. If they cant extend it to anyone why should I?

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Oh yes, because all gay men are exactly the same, and we all act like Chris Crocker. He's our Crock, we are his Crocks, we love him~! He's our hero! All hail him!!!

posted February 18, 2013 02:21 PM            

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i was taught about sex when i was 3 (yes 3!) i was super fascinated with where babies come from, would ask lots of embarassing questions in front of everyone so my parents bought me a book with lots of pics showing me exactly how a baby is made.
it did me no harm- i dont really see it as the schools place to teach sex ed beyond the basics of here is how you avoid stds and here is how you stop a pregnancy- it should be like a one off 2 hour class when they are like 12 and left at that- i dont see it as the schools place and not every parent would want their child to know about it so they should be able to opt out.

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lol...Yeah 3. But see that is innocence. I mean I think its ok in your situation.

I think sex ed is good and necessary. Sexualization from the media and from peer pressure is not. That was my whole point. We always talk about someone^s body, cleavage, butt etc. The media is always interested in who is doing who. If you havent had a girlfriend or remain focused on school instead of dating then you are a loser. That is what I was getting at.

Again in your situation, at 3, it was just innocence and curiousity playing out. I dont have a problem with that ...at all. None.

Also in Cali at least you can opt out of sex ed. But it puts a lot of pressure on you and you do feel like *Hm Im different from the group. The majority are in there and Im out in the library doing homework.* My parents opted out in 4th or 5th grade and I felt like an outsider. Then in 6th grade they wanted me to attend as I started my period then.

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Originally posted by sharpei:

remember passing through gay pride in london and there was this lone muslim lesbian girl on the float with her hair covered- i found it oddly touching.

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Yeah that whould be an important sight.
I know that there are mild mannered, people who are homosexuals who dont make it a point to force their sexuality, lifestyle, ideas on others. They go on about their lives like everyone else and dont wear their sexuality on their sleeve. I have lots of respect for people like that.

I guess I relate to their thinking more than those that shout from the roof tops etc.

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Originally posted by sharpei:
i do agree with dreaming111 about whoever is loudest gets the most sympathy- it does seem unfair- it seems like wheneverthere is anything regarding gay issues it attracts hysteria from liberals desperate to show off their credentials regardless of the facts.

i consider myself liberal but im not a pushover.

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Thanks.

I feel sometimes I relate to liberals more than the right in terms of abortion and stem cell research. But generally I play the center. I just think that socially the far left might not be as thoughtful or reflective. I feel they say and do things before a lot of research and foresight.

And then you have the far right and some are racist and narrow-minded. I get that and hate it.

I think there should be a middle ground, but unfortunately we have two major parties and all the rest dont really make a dent.