posted February 07, 2013 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by sunflower-moon:
Lol, you think?! This is just for research purposes only, people. Don't get too crazy.

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I'm just kidding, people are mature in this forum!
I know a lot of people who would not associate themselves with a particular party.
Maybe ask if they're Liberal Moderate or Conservative.

posted February 07, 2013 05:46 PM            

Top three signs without additional options:
Cancer, Gemini, and Capricorn

posted February 07, 2013 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
In case you're young I thought I'd point out that many people who are one party (or lean that way) often change sides as they get older (and yes conservatives can become liberal just as liberals become conservative).

How would astrology explain that?

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posted February 07, 2013 07:03 PM            

Values determine WHAT is important, ideology determines HOW is the best way to promote those values. For example, both Communists and Libertarians can value helping the poor (while many of both do not give a damn about the poor), but have radically different ways (ideology) of addressing the problem.

posted February 07, 2013 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Values are also more revealing than ideological party.

Values determine WHAT is important, ideology determines HOW is the best way to promote those values. For example, both Communists and Libertarians can value helping the poor (while many of both do not give a damn about the poor), but have radically different ways (ideology) of addressing the problem.

Democrats & Republicans who value personal liberty will be very different from Democrats & Republicans who value an orderly society where people know their place. Libertarians can be all about worshiping wealth (and believing the wealth have what it takes to rule the rest of us) or they can instead be about worshiping individual liberty and be almost as suspicious of "crony capitalism" (what most everyone else would simply call "capitalism" where the rich buy the politicians and essentially create special privileges for themselves, often funded--like welfare for the wealthy--by those with less money) as they are of government. I've heard plenty of libertarians say they're "small-l libertarian" to show they don't want to be associated with the Libertarian Party in the USA at all.

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posted February 07, 2013 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Unlikely, your political views and faith can come directly from your upbringing. Your childhood can be seen from the birth chart, and beliefs are 9th house related. For example a lot of people are conversative because of their faith.
Unless your parents never influenced you, which is quite rare

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So you're saying that people who change significantly are likely to have mutable signs instead of fixed? (That said, one who VERY radically changed had A LOT of Scorpio in her chart with a Libra sun.)

posted February 07, 2013 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So you're saying that people who change significantly are likely to have mutable signs instead of fixed? (That said, one who VERY radically changed had A LOT of Scorpio in her chart with a Libra sun.)

Though interesting about the religion, now that I think about it those I've known who changed often changed religion. Sometimes it was just a denominational change, but more often it was more radical change (from changing to a completely different religion or rejecting it outright or embracing it when one was never religious before).

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posted February 07, 2013 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Did I say that?

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I was just trying to apply what you said to what I said. It sounded to me like you meant that a person's 9th House determined their political party (which would remain fixed through life), modified by their upbringing. Since I've shared that doesn't always happen (and of course at 20 you don't realize just how much you can change in 20 years and even much less than that, I'm 30 and have very different ideological beliefs than when I was 20) then I figured you must be saying that it depends on the 9th House. A fixed sign (like Scorpio) could mean they don't change, but mutable signs might. (I was also sharing an observation about religious beliefs since you brought that up as well.)

posted February 07, 2013 08:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

It was either that or assume you were calling me a liar. And I'm not that paranoid.

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posted February 07, 2013 08:27 PM            

It also depends on what planets (if any) are in the 9th house.

Also, what kind of aspects are made to the ruler of the 9th house.

posted February 07, 2013 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Was your argument based on a personal experience or something? Everyone is an individual. I feel like you're putting words in my mouth

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I said I didn't think you were. So please don't put words in MY mouth.

And yes, I was making my claims based on observation. I've met too many people who said they used to be one thing or the other...and I'm not even counting those who make the claim but discredit themselves (for example, more than one conservative said s/he used to be a liberal but claimed to hold beliefs like "abortion is a good form of birth control" which is NOT a typical liberal view save inside the minds of twisted conservatives, so I don't trust that anymore than I trust a fundie who says he used to sacrifice babies back when he was a Wiccan). I've also found some of the most intriguing reading being those who radically changed their ideology in the middle of their lives and why (such as Kropotkin and Tolstoy), as opposed to others who didn't care who one day took up a cause.

And I've changed my views quite a bit as well. Though when I was 20 both Democrats & Republicans were too much alike for me (their differences more along the lines of stripes & polka-dots, that is they gave a different rationale for why they wanted to put their boots on our necks on behalf of their corporate johns), which can be summed up here.

posted February 07, 2013 09:04 PM            

I have shifted between extremely liberal and libertarian ideas at various times. I think there are similarities though. Of course there are very big differences.

Things such as gun control are where I am terribly conflicted, philosphically and feel unable to decide. (Pisces.) But I will search from all sorts of different ideas, people, philosophies to find answers. (Sagittarius.) And I am unfortunately quite suspicious of big government, big corporations, big anything because typically to become big there was probably at least a little bit of lies. (Scorpio.)

posted February 08, 2013 09:42 PM            

I'm all for helping a stranger even if it means taking a little more out of my pocket.