posted February 14, 2013 03:39 AM            

What went wrong he has had so many things to overcome in his life already now this.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=cpwfileOQ3Rdd-u1262452116;gm=a1;nhor=59598547;nho2=1296896;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=14;smon=2;syr=2013;hsy=-1;zod=;orbp=;rs=0;add=12;add=13;add=14; add=15;add=90377;ast=80&lang=e&stx2=s=outs=24

His chart with transits for today.

posted February 14, 2013 05:42 AM            

He's got Saturn transiting his Pluto, and it's recently passed his Venus. It's possible that he was experiencing a feeling of being "out in the cold" or isolated and alone.

Saturn is about to turn retrograde so it could be the summer before thing are brought to light or clarified. Add to that ~ Mercury is now in the shadow phase and about to turn retrograde ~ I'd say ignore what the media are saying until the middle of March.

Because of Saturn's involvement I'd say this is something that has taken some time to develop [the situation]. Shooting your girlfriend accidentally is more of a Uranus thing.

posted February 14, 2013 06:57 AM            

I find it extremely interesting. I immediately looked at Saturn Pluto and yes I do agree Uranus is more of a spontanious thing. Maybe if mars were in aspect to uranus and saturn involved. But I also see the sun on his mars and I can confirm I have the transisting saturn on my pluto also. It does have a dark effect.

posted February 14, 2013 07:00 AM            

If he had legs and worked in a factory and wasn't in the public eye then he would be branded evil.

She was shot four times, and a police spokesperson has stated they have been called to domestic disturbances at his house before.

Honestly, money and fame should not be a passport to immoral behaviour, and yet sadly that's exactly what they are. I don't fall for it, and I don't buy it either.

posted February 14, 2013 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by fearlesshiva:
VenusDiSirius I might have to check my english. I'm not english speaking sorry if anyone thought I was being unsensitive.

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I am not native speaker as well. It's ok,really

I too have Saturn over Pluto,I am very disciplined & determined. No dark,so far. Of course,I have it in H2.

posted February 14, 2013 08:54 AM            

Natally,Mars sq H7 ruler = potential for heated,argumentative attitude towards partner.

posted February 14, 2013 10:25 AM            

Well, I also took a look at his chart and not to complicate things, but this is what stood out for me.

The Sun, to me, always shows physical manifestations that are a result of a burgeoning personality that the individual may not be fully conscious of.

For instance, squares and oppositions to Sun will always present the individual with a challenging life (imo); one that is full of events that are, on the surface and to others, appearing catastrophic.

It can also, alternatively, make the individual seek them out through a really demanding job, environment or crises event: Because a mundane, “peaceful” existence does not challenge the ego to break free and be all it knows it can be.

With that said, He has his Sun in Scorpio squaring Mars in Aquarius and his Moon sitting nicely on his Sun (by trine).

The Moon to Sun gives a projection of warmth, caring and someone who is in touch with their more sensitive side; at least in the public view.Indeed, such a person can appear like a nice guy or someone who at-least appears gentle.

Moon sitting on the Sun can also make one project a nurturing, favourable and balanced persona; even when this is not the case. The Moon softens the Sun’s goal; giving them strong emotional aptitude and a desire to use ones given instincts to achieve them.

Mars in Aquarius square Sun can show a competitive outlook and a person who thrives on challenges. It can also make one rather pushy and self-centred and that may be because of a single-minded view of life: they MUST overcome, they MUST win and there is only ONE prize etc.

Sun square Mars people are also at their best when overcoming obstacles and challenges that life brings. Indeed, I believe that this aspect helped in not only making him come to terms with his disability, but also using it to excel.

The two aspects, including the square with Mars, do not, however, highlight temper tantrums and anger issues.

Mars signifies the nature of an obstacle that will either bend or break the Sun-imo.

And the Moon trine the Sun shows the nature of the goal; which can be more towards personal confidence and emotional fulfilment than anything else.

Now his Moon in regal Leo makes a square aspect with Pluto, trines Saturn and squares retrograde Venus (in Scorpio): Now this is where all the action is.

Moon afflictions can show defensiveness in character (in most cases) and an inability to control one’s emotions in influencing their outlook; whether in a relationship, friendship or office environment.

Moon square Pluto can denote a controlled but explosive emotional temperament. The person may read “more” into the statement than what is said or meant (and it is always seen to “attack” them or be an “affront” to them in some way).

It is not unusual, in extreme cases, for the Moon squaring Pluto to build rage and resentment over a long period before eventually exploding. Pluto squares rarely explode overnight but simmer progressively for years.

The Moon trine Saturn makes him behave rationally and come to his senses, when he does explode. This is the “fix it” doctor that is usually called up to clean up the mess long after Pluto has done its wreckage.

Venus square Moon doesn’t help matters either. There could be issues with the women (moon) in his life and inability to relate to them palatably.

It also highlights domestic disagreements as Venus is Lover and Moon is home, so when the lover and home are mixed, there is some unfavourable activity that results etc.

It is advisable for Venus harsh aspects to Moon people to live alone or at-least not live with their partner well until their in their late 30’s. Otherwise, it could spell a lot of domestic issues.

Venus/Moon square also means that he is unable to reconcile his relationships with his inner personality, there is always a clash: Either the women he attracts (Venus) do not care for whom he is internally and do not take care of his emotional needs OR he feels that he has to project two differing personalities; one that accommodates the relationship(Venus) and another that is in his inner self(Moon) which he must keep hidden and far away from the partner(this can build distance and feeling “alone” even when in a relationship).

I don’t believe that there is any particular thing that “triggered” this, but I do believe that our image of him (Sun) was about to go some very big change (Neptune).

Neptune shows deception and the “hero” effect. When squaring a planet, that planet starts to have all its secrets revealed and what was otherwise thought to be true of the said “hero” turns out to be deceit or a lie.

The Oscar that the public knew is not the “golden boy of SA” but a man with a history of violent outbursts, arrogance and conceit, a disgruntled ex- girlfriend who had threatened to expose him and a “dark” side(tod by neighbours who knew him).

posted February 15, 2013 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
p.s.Venus, apparently T.Yorke has Libra Asc? "double Libra"

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Ooh,I remember discussing it,so it's official??

posted February 15, 2013 03:54 AM            

In the Martin-Zimmermann case, Trevon's pMars to nSun was mirrored by Zimmermann's nMars to Martin's pSun.